Terri Schavio: Lastest Developments and Discussions (Take 2)

I'ddie4him said:

Why must you stir the pot all over again ?? Can't you let something drop ??
Give it a rest already.

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Better get ready cuz I'm about to bombard ya with about 4000 rep points

brinny said:

Better get ready cuz I'm about to bombard ya with about 4000 rep points

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Sorry, I just call it as I see it.
I guess I need some coffee.

Paladin Dave said:

Why am I the only one that doesnt have a problem with the Texas law? If the family runs out of money, its not the government's job to keep the person around. Its sad, its not necessarily moral, but SOMEBODY has to pay for it. No such thing as free lunch, and its same for anyone who's in a hospital hooked up to life support. As much as I dislike it, thats the way things go.

As for Schiavo, I think that unless there is hope of her recovering(a very good probability, not just like a 1% chance), they should just let her die. She's a Christian, right? Let her go to heaven already! My Grandmother has Alzheimers, got it around the time I was born, and I watched her waste away from the wonderful, brilliant, happy woman she was at first to being confined to whatever bed or chair the nurses put her in, unable to eat and drink on her own, and unable to recognize her own son, her own husband, or anyone else.

Consider it not that they're killing a person without giving them a chance to defend themself... they're releasing them from the prison that is their body. If they werent a Christian, I could see keeping them alive. But we as Christians shouldnt be as reluctant to do it to our fellow brethren in Christ. We'd be sending them to heaven, instead of letting them rot in a hospital.

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Let me start by saying that you do make some excellent points.

However, I disagree with two assumptions:

1. That we can judge another's quality of life by our own perceptions. (I think that is a dangerous path to start down....)

2. That God's purpose for people simply revolves around their own abilities and happiness and our perception of their quality of life. (As a daughter of a severely disabled woman, with a severe form of MS and now cognitive symptoms, including dementia, her continued life makes me much more Christ-like as each day goes by. I think we're not put here for us, but for others.)

I'ddie4him said:

Sorry, I just call it as I see it.
I guess I need some coffee.

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Sorry?!!! God bless ya and refresh ya and strengthen and sustain ya and then some. I appreciate your posts.

God bless you

brinny said:

Sorry?!!! God bless ya and refresh ya and strengthen and sustain ya and then some. I appreciate your posts.

God bless you

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Thank you very kindly.

I'ddie4him said:

Thank you very kindly.

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You are most welcome. Keep on keepin' on

Early Wednesday, the 11th Court of Appeals allows their parents to file an emergency motion for the reinsertion of Terry's feeding tube. Terry's mother asked Micheal and his live-in mistress, Jodi, "Micheal and Jodi, you have your own children. Please, please give me back my own child."

Article can be found here: http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050330/ap_on_re_us/brain_damage

PLease pray that their motion wil go through and that Terry's family will succeed. Also, for the hearts and minds of the judges to be moved in opening up the whole case and look at charges of abuse happening to Terry. Thirdly, for the peace and calm of God for her parents and siblings, especially Terry's mother. She is grieving because somone is trying to kill her daughter.

In case it hasn't been posted:

http://codeblueblog.blogs.com/codeblueblog/2005/03/csi_medblogs_co.html

Alarming to say the least.

Diamonds2004 said:

Early Wednesday, the 11th Court of Appeals allows their parents to file an emergency motion for the reinsertion of Terry's feeding tube. Terry's mother asked Micheal and his live=in mistress, "Micheal and Jodi, you have your own child. Please, please give me back my own child."

Article can be found here: http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050330/ap_on_re_us/brain_damage

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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Diamonds2004 again.

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God bless you for the update.

Voegelin said:

In case it hasn't been posted:

http://codeblueblog.blogs.com/codeblueblog/2005/03/csi_medblogs_co.html

Alarming to say the least.

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To be honest I do find it very alarming. The site has ALOT of very point blank and thought provoking questions to light. I think another test should have been done to have something for comparison.

Voegelin said:

In case it hasn't been posted:

http://codeblueblog.blogs.com/codeblueblog/2005/03/csi_medblogs_co.html

Alarming to say the least.

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Thank you for sharing the link. I can't send you rep points, but yer gettin' some blessings.....better get an umbrella

Christi said:

Let me start by saying that you do make some excellent points.

However, I disagree with two assumptions:

1. That we can judge another's quality of life by our own perceptions. (I think that is a dangerous path to start down....)

2. That God's purpose for people simply revolves around their own abilities and happiness and our perception of their quality of life. (As a daughter of a severely disabled woman, with a severe form of MS and now cognitive symptoms, including dementia, her continued life makes me much more Christ-like as each day goes by. I think we're not put here for us, but for others.)

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I'm afraid I dont understand... elaborate please, I am not sure what you are accusing me of assuming...

It seems, for what it's worth, that which we are seeing with this lady is nothing more than the natural progression of the courts from abortion to mercy-killing. Starting in about 1991 what should have been one out of every four high school seniors were aborted in their mother's womb. Some 45-48 million abortions have been performed in this country and the ongoing rate is 1 1/2 million a year, according to Planned Parenthood.
We have accepted this under the wholesome label of "choice" when any choices that were proper to be made should have transpired prior to conception.
Now we see the killing (yes, killing) of an innocent woman whose only crime is being disabled. She is dying the same death as if she were lost in some desert. It is we who are truly lost.
The next logical progression will be the elderly.
What I wish to bring out (and if my terms are too strong, please forgive me) is that while our land is being and has been defiled with the blood of our unborn and near born children (and now the infirmed) for the most part our churches have only rendered stone silence. Do we believe that there will not be a spiritual affect on us as well as our country? Aren't we already seeing it? The love of the greater number of our people has cooled. We are so wrapped up in victim psychology that we are blind, except to our own needs.
This was not what Jesus Christ died for.

lovestrav said:

I can't imagine that she'd need morphine if she was dying peacefully!

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Oh please, do some medical research. As the body shuts down the electrolytes get out synch, when that happens, the muscles start involuntary contractions, the morphine stops the contractions. This is done for every patient in hospice care when they reach this stage of dying. The ignorance and lack of ability to look up anything other than some biased website is staggering on here.

I am only arguing for her to be taken off the tube because I think there is no hope for her. If that IS the case, do it. If there is a good probability of recovery, the steps should be taken to do it.

OUR needs? Specify please, as to how we are neglecting our own needs.

I for one think abortion is wrong, and people should take time to make sure the child is atleast given a chance. Adoption should be encouraged, not abortion. But lets not derail onto THAT topic.

Paladin Dave, I wasn't accusing you of assuming anything. I was responding to this post which seems to assume that:

Paladin Dave said:

As for Schiavo, I think that unless there is hope of her recovering(a very good probability, not just like a 1% chance), they should just let her die. She's a Christian, right? Let her go to heaven already! My Grandmother has Alzheimers, got it around the time I was born, and I watched her waste away from the wonderful, brilliant, happy woman she was at first to being confined to whatever bed or chair the nurses put her in, unable to eat and drink on her own, and unable to recognize her own son, her own husband, or anyone else.

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If a person can't recover up to our standards, or live their life consistent with what we consider a happy life, then it's not worth living to them, either.

If they werent a Christian, I could see keeping them alive. But we as Christians shouldnt be as reluctant to do it to our fellow brethren in Christ. We'd be sending them to heaven, instead of letting them rot in a hospital.

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God's purpose for us may not be all about us. There are many examples of Christians becoming more Christlike, by taking care of others who are not able to care for themselves. Our lives are not our own. He may need to teach people how to love unconditionally and unselfishly. I don't think it's to us to "send people to heaven", He seems quite capable of calling people home when they are done.

Dogman said:

Oh please, do some medical research. As the body shuts down the electrolytes get out synch, when that happens, the muscles start involuntary contractions, the morphine stops the contractions. This is done for every patient in hospice care when they reach this stage of dying. The ignorance and lack of ability to look up anything other than some biased website is staggering on here.

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I have to say something here. The only reason she is at THIS STAGE of dying is because they pulled the tube. Morphine ALSO has profound effects on the body as far as breathing. It causes shallower repsirations and reduces the number of respirations per minute. I know because I took it for months for my back pain. Plus my mom died from cancer 5 years ago and I saw the effects it has firsthand. Don't be attacking people for "ignorance" when the facts have not all been presented about what morphine does in the system.

Here is a link to WebMD. Do a search for Morphine and it's derivatives and the effects it has on the body.
http://my.webmd.com/webmd_today/home/default

Diamonds2004 said:

Early Wednesday, the 11th Court of Appeals allows their parents to file an emergency motion for the reinsertion of Terry's feeding tube. Terry's mother asked Micheal and his live-in mistress, Jodi, "Micheal and Jodi, you have your own children. Please, please give me back my own child."

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Not to sound cynical or anything, but what exactly makes this appeal any different from the others?

PLease pray that their motion wil go through and that Terry's family will succeed.

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To what point and purpose?

Also, for the hearts and minds of the judges to be moved in opening up the whole case and look at charges of abuse happening to Terry.

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Again, to what point and purpose?

Thirdly, for the peace and calm of God for her parents and siblings, especially Terry's mother. She is grieving because somone is trying to kill her daughter.

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In accordance with Terri's own wishes.

Absent from the body is present with Jesus, right? So let her release her body and go have a good time with God.