PaladinValer
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Saying that the soul isn't immortal is heresy.
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I agree the comma goes after the word today.JohnJones said:Greek Grammar! kai (and) eipen (He said) autwi (to him) o ihsous (Jesus) amhn (truly) legw (I say) soi (to you) shmeron (today) met (with) emou (me) esh (you will be) en (in) tw paradeisw (paradise) -- If you know Greek grammar then you know that the comma has to be placed after the word today.
It is the body that dies. It is therefore the body that must put on immortality. When the thief went to paradise (Abraham's bosom) he went just as Abraham and Lazarus as a spirit without a body. This is why Abraham's bosom exists--its a place for the righteous dead to go and await the resurrection, at which point they will put on immortality in their new bodies.
PaladinValer said:Saying that the soul isn't immortal is heresy.
To the law and to the testimony;If they speak not according to this word it is because there is no light in them...Isaiah 8:20PaladinValer said:It isn't in Scripture; it is in factual theology however.
Oblio said:
Saying that the soul must have a body is also heretical. Where are the souls of the Saints who are with Christ ?
scripture interprets scripture
Oblio said:That doesn't anser the question. The Saints spoken of here were pre-Resurrectional captive Saints that Christ led out of Sheol.
pablosrun said:I agree the comma goes after the word today
pablosrun said:Show me the scripture where it says thatAbrahams bosom is paradise.....
pablosrun said:Matthew 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose.
The first half of that verse is past tense, including the part that says, "And when the sabbath was past...." Also, the verse cleary says the spices were bought AFTER the sabbath.pablosrun said:First of all it,s Mark 16:1 not 6:1 and it says had bought past tense, So they bought them before the sabbath.tqpix said:Mark 6:1: And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
No. Any annual sabbath--it doesn't matter if it falls on a weekly sabbath or not--is a high sabbath; the preparation day refers to the day before the ANNUAL sabbath.The preparation day (Luke 23:54) refers to the day before the weekly sabbath, and when a weekly sabbath fell on an annual sabbath it was a high sabbath, and that is what this was!
It is clear when the spices were purchased. Read the verse again:pablosrun said:So then it is unclear when they bought them all we know is that they bought them some time before this point....Oblio said:First of all it,s Mark 16:1 not 6:1 and it says had bought past tense
Of course it was past tense, they could not have brought the spices if they had not already purchased them. The tense is silent WRT when they purchased the spices.
pablosrun said:Study the word sleep...you quoted me last post but did you read it..you are blinded
tqpix said:It is clear when the spices were purchased. Read the verse again:
Mark 16:1: And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
Also, the word "had"--as in "had bought sweet spices"-- is not in the Greek New Testament.
This is how the verse is rendered in the Literal Translation of the Holy Bible (LITV) by Jay P. Green:
And the sabbath passing, Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James and Salome, bought spices, so that coming they might anoint Him.
PaladinValer said:Pablosrun,
1. You are dead wrong about 1st century ce Christian and Jewish theology.
2. Scripture interprets Scripture is a logical fallacy of Circular Reasoning. Its no different from using a dictionary to define words; eventually you'll end up right where you began and no smarter or wiser.
Show me that just the reading of Scriputure alone can create one Truth, one Faith, one Flock and one Fold. Show me in Scripture where the Bible alone is sufficient. A grave assumption on your part.pablosrun said:show me scripture and I will believe!
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