Clear up the rumor I heard.

To FOMWatts:

It's garbage.

Mary is the MOTHER of our Lord, she is not, never was, and never will be God.

The confusion is that in some Catholic circles, Mary is referred to as "Co-Redemptrix." This does NOT elevate her to our Redeemer. It's a reflection that she participated in helping to provide us with a Redeemer. It has to do with the Latin translation, not with the commonly-understood usage in English that "Co-" means partner.

Again, this is another indication that Catholic teachings are much deeper than just what a surface investigation will reveal.

Thanks for your honest inquiry. We do appreciate your willingness to learn and understand.


Peace be with you,
~VOW

The rumor you heard is not true. The Catholic Church has no intention of deifying Mary.

However, the rumor you may have heard that we're going to form a one-world religion, take over the government of the planet, and start shooting Bible Christians is absolutely true.

You heard it here first----but don't tell anybody.

Originally posted by Wolseley
The rumor you heard is not true. The Catholic Church has no intention of deifying Mary.

However, the rumor you may have heard that we're going to form a one-world religion, take over the government of the planet, and start shooting Bible Christians is absolutely true.

You heard it here first----but don't tell anybody.

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Uhm....what!?! I get some feeling there's a little sarcasm there

-Jason

Originally posted by FOMWatts<><
Hello,

I recently heard a rumor that the RCC was trying to deify Mary the mother of Jesus. Is this true? Just curious.

FOMWatts<><

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When this same question was posed at Christian-forum a few months back, I admit I totally lost it.

FOMWatts, this is sort of like a Catholic asking you, "Is it true you Bible church people fall down and worship your bibles at night when the curtains are drawn? Just curious."

Back then, a few months ago I said something to the effect, "What do you think we are?" In general, it seems to me that the stuff you're reading and listening to is totally suffused with prejudice against the Catholic Church. We only worship God. Worshipping anyone or anything else would be a deadly sin, idolatry.

Just for the sake of being in contact with reality, find some better sources of information please.

Short answer, "No."

Lee

Originally posted by Hoonbaba


Uhm....what!?! I get some feeling there's a little sarcasm there

-Jason

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SARCASM?? Noooooo.

Kotton

These are the times I wish the Catholic Church would be a little more concerned with the way they word things. I really dislike that title because of the confusion it causes.

Uhm....what!?! I get some feeling there's a little sarcasm there

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Gasp! Sarcasm??? From ME?????

NAAAAWWWWW!!!!!!

These are the times I wish the Catholic Church would be a little more concerned with the way they word things. I really dislike that title because of the confusion it causes.

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I agree, but I'm afraid it's a little like the story about the Polish immigrant who told his father, "Papa, if you'd just learn to speak a little English, you wouldn't get into so much trouble at the grocery store." The old man sniffed and replied, "So? If they're really not out to cheat me, why should I learn to speak English? Let them learn to speak Yiddish!"

Methinks the Vatican would say, "So? If they're really worried about confusion, let them learn to speak Latin! From the shape their public schools are in, they could use it!"

Originally posted by patriarch


We only worship God. Worshipping anyone or anything else would be a deadly sin, idolatry.

Lee

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Then do catholics belive that the Pope is next to Christ?

Originally posted by MVermi
Then do catholics belive that the Pope is next to Christ?

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Catholics believe ALL CHRISTIANS are next to Christ!

Wolseley described it best that the Pope serves as a Prime Minister for Christ, he is the Earthly representative of Jesus. When our Lord and Savior makes His next appearance, Pope John Paul II (or whoever is in the position of authority) will most gratefully get up from the Chair of Peter and graciously surrender the authority of the Church to Him.

Catholics believe that Jesus appointed Peter to be the Earthly leader of His Church, and the Pope is the successor to this authority.

Catholics do not pray to the Pope, worship the Pope, or consider him to be without sin in any way.


Peace be with you,
~VOW

Wolseley described it best that the Pope serves as a Prime Minister for Christ, he is the Earthly representative of Jesus. When our Lord and Savior makes His next appearance, Pope John Paul II (or whoever is in the position of authority) will most gratefully get up from the Chair of Peter and graciously surrender the authority of the Church to Him.

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I thought the Holy Spirit was for this?

Originally posted by MVermi

Then do catholics belive that the Pope is next to Christ?

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Can you clarify this question please? I don't know what you're driving at so I can't formulate an answer. Thanks.

Originally posted by MVermi

I thought the Holy Spirit was for this?

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The Pope (and the bishops) are the successors of the Apostles. Just as we see them appoint a new Apostle to their ranks after the death of the traitor, Judas, the bishops were appointed by those who came before them as well. These appointments can be traced back in time right to the Apostles.

This is what the Catholic and Orthodox Churches know as "Apostolic Succession".

2 Timothy 2:1-2
You then, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus, and what you have heard from me before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also.

Right here we see Paul "address" four generations of leaders for the Church.

1)Paul
2)Timothy
3)Those Timothy will appoint and teach
4)Timothy's appointments in turn appointing and teaching.

Originally posted by MVermi
I thought the Holy Spirit was for this?

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Jesus renamed Simon to Peter, and then said, "Upon this Rock I will build my Church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it. I give you the keys to the kingdom of Heaven, what you bind on earth shall be bound in Heaven, what you loose on earth shall be loosed in Heaven." This was indicative of the leadership role that Peter, and his successors, was to take, in not only overseeing the Body of Christ, the Church, but in safeguarding the Original Deposit of Faith. Peter is under the guidance and protection of the Holy Spirit in his role, all of his successors also have had this assistance of the Holy Spirit.

The Church is the pillar and the foundation of truth (1 Timothy 3:15) and the Successor of Peter uses his empowerment from the Holy Spirit to maintain this important function of the Church.


Peace be with you,
~VOW

"the Chair of Peter"

Is that the same as the Throne of David?
Julie

No. The Throne of David is symbolic of David's kingship of Israel. That now belongs to Christ, Who is the King of Spiritual Israel, i.e., the Christian Church.

Separate from, and lesser than, Christ's Kingship, is the Chair of Peter, head of the Apostles. This is the office of Supreme Pontiff, or the Pope.

Christ owns the Company. The Pope is just the Managing Director until the Boss returns.

I'm not sure I understand
The Throne of David is symbolic and the throne of Peter is not?
Will Jesus Christ take the seat of David in Jerusalem or Peter in Rome?

Julie

sorry and thanks in advance

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To all but Patriarch I appreciate you post and simple answer to clarify something I heard. Much appreciated.

Patriarch,

I'm sorry you are so easily offended by a question. I know very little about what the RCC is actively doing and I gave you guys the benefit of the doubt on this, but merely asked a question. Next time, try to simply answer my question instead of taking great offense to it. I'm sorry if I did offend you, but thanx for clearling up the RUMOR I heard. I thought the offense would nbot exist because I did address the question as a rumor. Have a great day!

FOMWatts<><

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FOMWatts,

I am sorry if I gave the impression I was greatly offended by your question. I wasn't. It did push me to the very verge of irritation, however , I have to admit, and I did want to convey the depth of our objection to being thought idolators or potential idolators by putting the shoe on the other foot for a moment. If that offended you, please forgive me. It's often the best way to get a point across.

Lee

I'm not sure I understand
The Throne of David is symbolic and the throne of Peter is not?

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Poor choice of words on my part. David's throne was a precursor to Christ's throne---i.e., David's kingship over Israel was taken over and expanded by Christ to include the whole world. In this manner of speaking, David's throne is not symbolic, because his kingship is now held by Christ and as such has never ended. Peter's throne is a lesser throne. It is not the throne of the King, it is the throne of the Chief Admininstrator.

Will Jesus Christ take the seat of David in Jerusalem or Peter in Rome?

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Lord of Lords and King of Kings---Jesus has the whole shebang, Rome, Jerusalem, Constantinople, Tokyo, Buenos Aires, Winnipeg, and Zamboanga.

If you take the literal dispensationalist view, however, both Rome and Jerusalem will be destroyed along with the rest of the earth, and be replaced with a new heavens and new earth, and the only town that I know of is the New Jerusalem and environs.

It's a great place to live, but there isn't much to see if you decide to leave town on day trips.