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The Day of Atonement

There is so many aspects I do not know where to begin.

Moses successfully pleaded with God on their behalf, and on the first of High Priest, he ascended the mountain, this time for a second set of tablets. In Moses' absence, the nation fasted from sunrise to sunset. Moses descended the mountain on the tenth of Tishri. Upon returning, Moses found the nation truly repentant and announced that God had forgiven them. He decreed that the tenth of Tishri would remain a Yom Kippur for all generations. In order to receive an inheritance, you must be taken back into the God’s fold, if you do not meet with the Lord at His appointed time, how can you receive the blessing?

In holy of holies, where is centered the symbolic service of atonement and intercession. It is the foreshadow of our future, Yeshua ministering as our High Priest before the mercy seat.

Yom Kippur

Lev 23:26 The LORD said to Moses, 27 "The tenth day of this seventh month is the Yom Kippur. Hold a sacred assembly and deny yourselves, and present an offering made to the LORD by fire. 28 Do no work on that day, because it is the Yom Kippur, when atonement is made for you before the LORD your God. 29 Anyone who does not deny himself on that day must be cut off from his people. 30 I will destroy from among his people anyone who does any work on that day. 31 You shall do no work at all. This is to be a lasting ordinance for the generations to come, wherever you live. 32 It is a sabbath of rest for you, and you must deny yourselves. From the evening of the ninth day of the month until the following evening you are to observe your sabbath."

Highlights from this verse
* sacred assembly
* you remember that you will be tried by fire and purified, well this is the time to present yourself to the Lord.
* this is the time when the atonement is really made for you in heaven by Yeshua.
* prophectically this is the cut off date, for those who will be righteous still and those who will be holy still
*This is a lasting ordinance for all generations, this will be a shadow of things to come.
*You remember Hebrews mentioning the sabbath of rest, well this is it. From the time that the Day of Atonement has its fulfillment, the people of GOd will enter into His rest.
 

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*This is a lasting ordinance for all generations, this will be a shadow of things to come.
*You remember Hebrews mentioning the sabbath of rest, well this is it. From the time that the Day of Atonement has its fulfillment, the people of GOd will enter into His rest.


Could you elaborate on this Vis? What is the shadow and what is the fulfillment?
 
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In other words, what is the substance that will give a shadow and be coming soon?

Yeshua came and gave us all an example of how to live. He was transfigured ....
Matthew 17:2
There he was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light.
When the Day of Atonement comes in reality, where it is no longer a rehearsal, where we come face to face with our Judge, knowing He is making the final atonement for us, we are transformed and will not only take on the heavenly features of shsekinah glory but we will also will walk perfectly in Yeshua.

John 17: 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. 25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me. 26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

AMEN
It will be a blessing to hear His voice pronounce this blessing upon those whose hearts are prepared for that blessed day when He makes this final atonement for us.

On this Day of Atonement, the unrighteous and the righteous of the world will be experiencing this moment when the Lord enters in the Temple of God, all human minds.

Psalm 64:1 Hear my voice, O God, in my prayer: preserve my life from fear of the enemy. 2 Hide me from the secret counsel of the wicked; from the insurrection of the workers of iniquity: 3 Who whet their tongue like a sword, and bend their bows to shoot their arrows, even bitter words: 4 That they may shoot in secret at the perfect: suddenly do they shoot at him, and fear not.5 They encourage themselves in an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them? 6 They search out iniquities; they accomplish a diligent search: both the inward thought of every one of them, and the heart, is deep. 7 But God shall shoot at them with an arrow; suddenly shall they be wounded. 8 So they shall make their own tongue to fall upon themselves: all that see them shall flee away. 9 And all men shall fear, and shall declare the work of God; for they shall wisely consider of his doing. 10 The righteous shall be glad in the LORD, and shall trust in him; and all the upright in heart shall glory.
It will be a glorious experience that day. It is the promise of how God is going to accomplish what we can not do in and of ourselves.
Malachi 3:1
Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the LORD, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.
We will be expecting Him to come, for it is our hope of glory.

The Lord knows that only He is the one for His bride. He will come suddenly to her, which is our minds, the Temple of God, at the appointed time. It is important for believers to be ready at the appointed time for the experience with God, that is so necessary for us to prepare to live with God forever.

Jeremiah 49 :9 Behold, he shall come up like a lion from the swelling of Jordan against the habitation of the strong: but I will suddenly make him run away from her: and who is a chosen man, that I may appoint over her? for who is like me? and who will appoint me the time? and who is that shepherd that will stand before me?
When the high priest stood before God on the Day of Atonement, he was said to be "face to face" with God. Because of this, the Day of Atonement became known by the phrase "face to face." "Face to face" is a terminology used in:

1 Corinthians 13:9-12 For we know in part; and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known .
It will be the day when the wheat and tares are separated forever. We will be set free from sin forever. What is really sad is most believers have not looked closely at all the shadow rehearsals are pointed out in the Day of Atonement that have are so important. THe Day of Atonement is the ceremony that points out the conclusion of sin, and God's final dealings with sin.

Jeremiah 8:7 Yea, the stork in the heaven knoweth her appointed times; and the turtle and the crane and the swallow observe the time of their coming; but my people know not the judgment of the LORD.

Now knowing the judgement of the Lord has an appointed time, called the Day of Atonement, it is important to learn more about this appointed time and what to expect. I want you to understand that when the Lord comes to His temple it will be fast, suddenly. For those that are prepared for it , this will be a time of great rejoicing, for those who are unprepared it will be the judgement that they so feared.

2 Chronicles 29:36 And Hezekiah rejoiced, and all the people, that God had prepared the people: for the thing was done suddenly.

Think about it, if God suddenly came to your mind, and all the secret things are revealed in their true light, how would you feel, what you do and how would you respond to such an event.

Ecclesiastes 9:12 For man also knoweth not his time: as the fishes that are taken in an evil net, and as the birds that are caught in the snare; so are the sons of men snared in an evil time, when it falleth suddenly upon them.
It will be the time when Babylon is broken down in one hour. Reality hits this world in a big way... There will be a lot of Oooooops.
Proverbs 29:1 He, that being often reproved hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy.
Because of hardness of heart, there will be people will not listen to the message that would have prepared them as to what is about to come upon the world, leaving them unprepared for the reality of the event.

Isaiah 47:11 Therefore shall evil come upon thee; thou shalt not know from whence it riseth: and mischief shall fall upon thee; thou shalt not be able to put it off: and desolation shall come upon thee suddenly, which thou shalt not know.
Think of it for a moment, if what I am saying is true and the Lord has prepared a people and the appointed time has come, the world will be heading as far as it can in the totally opposite direction, while the people of God only want to be with God, for there is nothing left that is good.
Isaiah 48:3 I have declared the former things from the beginning; and they went forth out of my mouth, and I shewed them; I did them suddenly, and they came to pass.
Taking down that curtain in your mind, that most people use to mentally separate themselves from God, God suddenly shows up in all His majestic Holiness. Today it is your sins that separate you from God like a curtain. They are what keeps you from seeing God. This is the Mount Sinai experience, only better, because the people of God know what to expect and will have gone before to the throne of grace.
 
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So you are saying that the final day of atonement is the day at the Judgement seat where He either will stand up for us that know him and he knows us and only the witness of what those who don't know him will represent them. He will then totally wash away any trace of the sins of the flesh away and we shall be transformed?
Think of it for a moment, if what I am saying is true and the Lord has prepared a people and the appointed time has come, the world will be heading as far as it can in the totally opposite direction, while the people of God only want to be with God, for there is nothing left that is good.
Oh, I hear you there sister, this world makes me want to vomit, but even then I don't feel like I can rid myself, KWIM?

There is only one that is Good. :bow:

Amein!
 
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Let's go through the steps that occure on the day of atonement

1) the High Priest is atoned for.

Lev 16:3Thus shall Aaron come into the holy place: with a young bullock for a sin offering, and a ram for a burnt offering.
2) He offers the final sin offerings for himself and for the congregation.
Lev 16:5 And he shall take of the congregation of the children of Israel two kids of the goats for a sin offering, and one ram for a burnt offering. 6 And Aaron shall offer his bullock of the sin offering, which is for himself, and make an atonement for himself, and for his house.
2) Once He is prepared for the task, He dons on the uniform.
Lev 16:4 He shall put on the holy linen coat, and he shall have the linen breeches upon his flesh, and shall be girded with a linen girdle, and with the linen mitre shall he be attired: these are holy garments; therefore shall he wash his flesh in water, and so put them on.
3) Then the two goats are brought before the tabernacle and lots are cast as to which will represent the Lord's and which one is the scapegoat.

7 And he shall take the two goats, and present them before the LORD at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. 8 And Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats; one lot for the LORD, and the other lot for the scapegoat. 9 And Aaron shall bring the goat upon which the LORD's lot fell, and offer him for a sin offering.
One was for the cleansing of the temple of all the dealings with sin, once and for all, which is what Yeshua is going to finally accomplish. When this sacrificial goat was appointed, the high priest pronounced, "For Jehovah" and the throngs of worshipers would fall on their faces and call out, “Blessed be the Name; the glory of His kingdom is forever and ever.” Then the goat was slain.

After finishing with the atonement and cleansing the sanctuary of sin, the High Priest symbolically placed the sins of the nation on the head of the live goat. He did this by laying both of his hands on the goat’s head while confessing the sins of the people that had been in symbolically placed there by the blood of the lambs sacrificed over the year. Then, with the sins taken out of the temple they were placed on the head of the scapegoat, the high priest sent the Azazel (scapegoat) off into the wilderness. It was a dramatic picture of God’s willingness to separate His people from their sins forever.

Just a the blood was necessary for covering, when the death plaque was passing through Egypt, so here it is again. All sins that are not covered by the blood of Yeshua are condemned. Jude 4 It is only be the blood of Yeshua that we are cleansed of sin, "Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy " Jude 24
Lev 16:12 And he shall take a censer full of burning coals of fire from off the altar before the LORD, and his hands full of sweet incense beaten small, and bring it within the veil: 13 And he shall put the incense upon the fire before the LORD, that the cloud of the incense may cover the mercy seat that is upon the testimony, that he die not:
Compare this verse to Revelation
Revelation 8:1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. 2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets. 3 And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne. 4 And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand. 5 And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake
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This casting the smoke of the incense filled with the fire from the altar and cast to the earth is the believer’s covering so that I believe that they will not die from this point on. Take a look ...the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God" Rev 15:8 and the similarity found in 1King 8:11 "because of the cloud for the glory of the Lord had filled the house of the Lord."...I believe it is significant is its relationship.

From what I understand so far, the two goats were to be identical, so much so, that they would tie a red thread around the neck of the scapegoat, so that they could tell them apart. This thread was taken off just before the goat was lead away. They pushed the goat over the cliff, "by the hand of a fit man". and returned to see if the red thread turned white. Story has it that the thread quite turning from red to white after Yeshua, some ten years or so later.???not sure on the details of that.

To parallel this illustration of the "shadow of things to come", I would say that Yeshua and Satan are brought before the congregations of the world, at the door of the tabernacle. Actually Azazel is the only one seen by the congregations while the High Priest is inside atoning for the congregation. So I can visualize that this is the time that Satan will do the great imitation of Jesus Christ and pronounce himself as God worthy of sitting on the throne of God as God.This is the only time in History where you will have the great deceiver pretending to be Yeshua. This is why there were two identical goats brought to the temple on the Day of Atonement. The prophetic implications are that this is the time that Satan will be before the congregation, for the world to see, representing himself as Messiah.

Well, in order for Satan to do a good job he will have to manifest himself as a majestic being probably of dazzling brightness, and probably resembling the description of the Son of God given by John in Revelation 1:13-15

1 Cor 11:14 And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.

There are several things that he cannot copy,

2 John 7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world, men who will not acknowledge the coming of Yeshua in the flesh such a one is the deceiver and the antiMessiah.

So it will be here in the last days of earth's history that there will be a blindness "In their case the God of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Messiah who is the likeness of God." 2 Cor 4:4 "And they worshiped the dragon which gave power unto the beast:..." Rev 13:4 There are two things that the devil while imitating Messiah can not do, he can not be holy, and he can not come in the flesh.

It is not that the Lord did not try to purge all of sin from everyone alive on that Day.
Ezekiel 24:13 In thy filthiness is lewdness: because I have purged thee, and thou wast not purged, thou shalt not be purged from thy filthiness any more, till I have caused my fury to rest upon thee.
 
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Cleansing the Sanctuary

In the eastward the atoning work is for the cleansing of the sanctuary of the wickedness committed within. The Lord revealed to Ezekiel what has been going on in the Holy Place and to cry and sigh for the abominations committed within. God in His mercy has an atoning work to do to cleanse the Holy Place of wickedness.

Ezekiel 11:1 Moreover the spirit lifted me up, and brought me unto the east gate of the LORD's house, which looketh eastward: and behold at the door of the gate five and twenty men; among whom I saw Jaazaniah the son of Azur, and Pelatiah the son of Benaiah, princes of the people. 2 Then said he unto me, Son of man, these are the men that devise mischief, and give wicked counsel in this city: 3 Which say, It is not near; let us build houses: this city is the caldron, and we be the flesh. 4 Therefore prophesy against them, prophesy, O son of man. 5 And the Spirit of the LORD fell upon me, and said unto me, Speak; Thus saith the LORD; Thus have ye said, O house of Israel: for I know the things that come into your mind, every one of them. 6 Ye have multiplied your slain in this city, and ye have filled the streets thereof with the slain. 7 Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Your slain whom ye have laid in the midst of it, they are the flesh, and this city is the caldron: but I will bring you forth out of the midst of it. 8 Ye have feared the sword; and I will bring a sword upon you, saith the Lord God. 9 And I will bring you out of the midst thereof, and deliver you into the hands of strangers, and will execute judgments among you. 10 Ye shall fall by the sword; I will judge you in the border of Israel; and ye shall know that I am the LORD. 11 This city shall not be your caldron, neither shall ye be the flesh in the midst thereof; but I will judge you in the border of Israel: 12 And ye shall know that I am the LORD: for ye have not walked in my statutes, neither executed my judgments, but have done after the manners of the heathen that are round about you. 13 And it came to pass, when I prophesied, that Pelatiah the son of Benaiah died. Then fell I down upon my face, and cried with a loud voice, and said, Ah Lord God! wilt thou make a full end of the remnant of Israel? 14 Again the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 15 Son of man, thy brethren, even thy brethren, the men of thy kindred, and all the house of Israel wholly, are they unto whom the inhabitants of Jerusalem have said, Get you far from the LORD: unto us is this land given in possession. 16 Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord God; Although I have cast them far off among the heathen, and although I have scattered them among the countries, yet will I be to them as a little sanctuary in the countries where they shall come. 17 Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord God; I will even gather you from the people, and assemble you out of the countries where ye have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel. 18 And they shall come thither, and they shall take away all the detestable things thereof and all the abominations thereof from thence.19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh: 20 That they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God. 21 But as for them whose heart walketh after the heart of their detestable things and their abominations, I will recompense their way upon their own heads, saith the Lord God. 22 Then did the cherubims lift up their wings, and the wheels beside them; and the glory of the God of Israel was over them above. 23 And the glory of the LORD went up from the midst of the city, and stood upon the mountain which is on the east side of the city. 24 Afterwards the spirit took me up, and brought me in a vision by the Spirit of God into Chaldea, to them of the captivity. So the vision that I had seen went up from me. 25 Then I spake unto them of the captivity all the things that the LORD had shewed me.

The wicked pastors that do not shepherd the Lord’s lambs in the way that they should go, to tell His people that He is not soon returning, or do not teach the ordinances and statutes of God, will be harshly dealt with by the Lord himself. One of the biggest complaint that God has against these wicked religious leaders is that they stop people with their unbelief that they foster on the people who trusted them to lead them to God. There is many who preach to look on things of this earth and not to focus so much on heaven.
Matthew 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

Judgement begins at the House of God....have you noticed how in these last 20 years there has been a marked increase of ministers, pastors, priests, and any other men of God being exposed for all kinds of sins? Never before in the history of religion have so many leaders been exposed to the world for all to see their sinfulness.

In the Lord’s house great many pagan rituals have been brought in and committed by the priests, that the Lord asks Ezekiel if He should leave His own sanctuary. He points out a wide variety that are committed inside the House of God, but the worse one is the worshiping the sun god in His own House. I believe that the Day of Atonement will come when sunday is brought into Judaism.
Ezekiel 8:6 He said furthermore unto me, Son of man, seest thou what they do? even the great abominations that the house of Israel committeth here, that I should go far off from my sanctuary? but turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations. 7 And he brought me to the door of the court; and when I looked, behold a hole in the wall. 8 Then said he unto me, Son of man, dig now in the wall: and when I had digged in the wall, behold a door. 9 And he said unto me, Go in, and behold the wicked abominations that they do here. 10 So I went in and saw; and behold every form of creeping things, and abominable beasts, and all the idols of the house of Israel, pourtrayed upon the wall round about. 11 And there stood before them seventy men of the ancients of the house of Israel, and in the midst of them stood Jaazaniah the son of Shaphan, with every man his censer in his hand; and a thick cloud of incense went up. 12 Then said he unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen what the ancients of the house of Israel do in the dark, every man in the chambers of his imagery? for they say, the LORD seeth us not; the LORD hath forsaken the earth. 13 He said also unto me, Turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations that they do. 14 Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD's house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz. 15 Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these. 16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD's house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshiped the sun toward the east. 17 Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose 18 Therefore will I also deal in fury: mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: and though they cry in mine ears with a loud voice, yet will I not hear them. 17 And there shall be no man in the tabernacle of the congregation when he goeth in to make an atonement in the holy place, until he come out, and have made an atonement for himself, and for his household, and for all the congregation of Israel.
And when it is all finished the Temple of God will be with no man, Yeshua included, as the seven plagues fall, and I believe that when the plagues fall, there is no more mercy, there is no more opportunity for repentence, sacrifice for sin is over.
Revelation 15:8 And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.
 
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One was for the cleansing of the temple of all the dealings with sin, once and for all, which is what Yeshua is going to finally accomplish.
I believe he did this on the day of firstfruits.

Story has it that the thread quite turning from red to white after Yeshua, some ten years or so later.???not sure on the details of that.
Yes, in the Mishnah I think it is recorded that after Yeshua's death and resurection the following Yom Kippur the string remained red, for forty years until the destruction of the temple. He gave them a generation to see, so it would really sink in.



There are two things that the devil while imitating Messiah can not do, he can not be holy, and he can not come in the flesh.
I agree he can't be Holy, but what do you mean about he can not come in the flesh???
 
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From post #6

In the eastward the atoning work is for the cleansing of the sanctuary of the wickedness committed within.

I don't understand, in the eastward? :scratch:
This city shall not be your caldron, neither shall ye be the flesh

Cauldron, flesh, I have never comprehended this, what do you see?

17 Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord God; I will even gather you from the people, and assemble you out of the countries where ye have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel. 18 And they shall come thither, and they shall take away all the detestable things thereof and all the abominations thereof from thence.19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh: 20 That they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God.
This has always seemed to me to be an end times prophecy. Just at the begining to take place now. This verse:
and they shall take away all the detestable things thereof and all the abominations thereof from thence.
Just like in my thread Holy Cow where I mentioned the Hathor temple in southern Israel, it should be broken down, I see this as what this verse is speaking of.
Afterwards the spirit took me up, and brought me in a vision by the Spirit of God into Chaldea, to them of the captivity. So the vision that I had seen went up from me. 25 Then I spake unto them of the captivity all the things that the LORD had shewed me.

This is interesting, this makes me think about Elijah and how he was lifted off, and then wrote a letter afterwards.

Judgement begins at the House of God....have you noticed how in these last 20 years there has been a marked increase of ministers, pastors, priests, and any other men of God being exposed for all kinds of sins? Never before in the history of religion have so many leaders been exposed to the world for all to see their sinfulness.

In the Lord’s house great many pagan rituals have been brought in and committed by the priests, that the Lord asks Ezekiel if He should leave His own sanctuary. He points out a wide variety that are committed inside the House of God, but the worse one is the worshiping the sun god in His own House. I believe that the Day of Atonement will come when sunday is brought into Judaism.

Yes, as it should, go to the heart of the matter first! Yes, I have noticed and know the scriptures that warn about the bad shepherds and their judgement for misleading the sheep. However many think that they will not be accountable if they were lead astray by such a shepherd, but that is not the truth either.

What do you mean by Sunday brought into Judaism???

So I went in and saw; and behold every form of creeping things, and abominable beasts, and all the idols of the house of Israel, pourtrayed upon the wall round about. 11 And there stood before them seventy men of the ancients of the house of Israel, and in the midst of them stood Jaazaniah the son of Shaphan, with every man his censer in his hand; and a thick cloud of incense went up. 12 Then said he unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen what the ancients of the house of Israel do in the dark, every man in the chambers of his imagery?

I have read this many times before but this thought just came to me, Do you think that what Ezekiel saw was actually going on in the temple or what the people were doing in their own minds, the true worship in their hearts? The reason is I see now it says the "chambers of his imagery", that seems like in the inner self, not inner temple.

The word used for imagery it also means imagination or idol. The word translated Chambers can mean "innermost or inward part, within".


17 And there shall be no man in the tabernacle of the congregation when he goeth in to make an atonement in the holy place, until he come out, and have made an atonement for himself, and for his household, and for all the congregation of Israel.

Ok, who is the "no man" and who is "he"
 
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I don't understand, in the eastward? :scratch:
From what I understand the temple was built so that the back when facing the Most Holy would be to the east. The Lord set that up so that His worshippers would not be like other nations around then look to the rising sun in the morning bowing down towards the east.

Cauldron, flesh, I have never comprehended this, what do you see?
Sorry, nothing has come clear to me on this.


This has always seemed to me to be an end times prophecy. Just at the begining to take place now. This verse:
Just like in my thread Holy Cow where I mentioned the Hathor temple in southern Israel, it should be broken down, I see this as what this verse is speaking of.
Me too, I see it as an end time prophecy and that is why I am thinking that the last man made temple will be Ezekiel's vision.

This is interesting, this makes me think about Elijah and how he was lifted off, and then wrote a letter afterwards.
I think that those that get to eat the little scroll of Revelation will also experience this being lifted of.



Yes, as it should, go to the heart of the matter first! Yes, I have noticed and know the scriptures that warn about the bad shepherds and their judgement for misleading the sheep. However many think that they will not be accountable if they were lead astray by such a shepherd, but that is not the truth either.
I believe this is a wake up call for believers to see the sins of their pastors and priests and lose faith in them, and start searching out the truth for themselves.

What do you mean by Sunday brought into Judaism???
The Papacy is calling for a reconciliation between the Papacy and Judaism, compromise comes next.



I have read this many times before but this thought just came to me, Do you think that what Ezekiel saw was actually going on in the temple or what the people were doing in their own minds, the true worship in their hearts? The reason is I see now it says the "chambers of his imagery", that seems like in the inner self, not inner temple.
Yes, I have wondered if it is more to do with the things going on in the mind, more than anything physical. In fact, I lean that direction.... but let's face it, unless something seen, heard, or touched sparks the thoughts, they do not happen, which leaves me with physical activity causing mental gymnastics.

The word used for imagery it also means imagination or idol. The word translated Chambers can mean "innermost or inward part, within".
I agree, and think that is where it counts. No matter, if they do build a temple for worship, if you still look up to the heavenly sanctuary where your prayers are to go, where you expect to receive communication, and not the physical temple, then I say that is good. Physcial manifestations in the temple today are nothing more than deceiving demons pretending to be Holy.


Ok, who is the "no man" and who is "he"
I believe that the no man in Ezekiel is us, the royal priesthood. Yeshua as our High Priest is ministering during the Day of Atonement, and that is why I also believe that there will be no rapture until after the Day of Atonement.
 
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There comes a time when it is necessary to leave the outer court. As it is prophesied in Daniel, this part of the sanctuary services will be taken away, by the overflowing abominations.

Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for Himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations were determined.

For those that are not familiar with Daniel, he was given a vision of the last days, which has puzzled many for centuries.
Daniel 8:9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them. 11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down. 12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practiced, and prospered. 13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? 14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

This has been the puzzle in prophecy that many have tried to calculate using the numbers provided as to when this occurred or is still to occur. The sanctuary mentioned in this prophecy is not only an earthly sanctuary or temple in Jerusalem; but the Temple of God, which is the divine original Moses was shown in the mountain and of which he made an earthly copy. I see this as the final battle in heaven, for as it is in heaven, as it is on earth. The heavenly sanctuary will have to be cleansed first then so will the sanctuary of our mind be cleansed.

According to this prophecy in Daniel the AntiMessiah (the Little Horn) is scheduled to desecrate the Temple of God by his very presence. He will enter in the outer court of the Temple of God where the daily sacrifices are performed and will blasphemously challenge the Prince of the heavenly host.

Daniel 8:9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land. 10: And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them. 11: Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
There is the battle discribed in Revelation.

The heavenly host cast down to the ground by the Little Horn are the holy angels who surround the throne of God, and because of following under the guidance of Lucifer, the dragon, these angels also fell into his deception and are to be cast of out of heaven.

Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
The Day of Atonement talks of cleansing the sanctuary, and Satan and His crew are the only ones I know that need to be removed.
Revelation 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
On the most important time in earth's history, during the Day of Atonement, Satan will pull out all the stops, knowing he has but a short time, will stop the daily sacrifice, our prayers for forgiveness.

In Daniel’s prophecy the Prince of princes is none other that Yeshua, who is currently officiating in the heavenly sanctuary. When the AntiMessiah stops the offering of the daily sacrifice it will be at the Temple of God in the outer court, and when does that happen in the feasts? So you ask “how can the daily sacrifice be stopped by Satan?” If Satan can stop people from praying for repentance, there is no need for the daily sacrifice and its service. If Satan can get people to not look to Yeshua, for one reason or another, then there is no need for Yeshua to perform the daily sacrifice priestly service. Maybe they believe Satan to be Yeshua.

2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Satan will be doing a great imitation of the second coming of Yeshua before Yeshua returns and if they believe Satan to be Yeshua then you will have no more requests for forgiveness, no more repentance and therefore no more need for the heavenly daily services. Let’s say the world no longer repents for they now believe it is no longer necessary because they live under His Grace or some other deceptive lie fostered by some institution that they have trusted to be keepers of the truth. These keepers of the truth have taken upon themselves to lead the people away from the truth as it is found in Messiah.

Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. 9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. 10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. 11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
 
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The sacrifice of the passover has no atonement in it. The feast that speaks of the atonement is in the Day of Atonement. While there is atoning power in the blood of Yeshua, it is not the fulfillment of the Passover, where the sanctuary is cleansed. That is in the Day of Atonement.
 
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During the Feast of Trumpets, you will have watchmen who will give out the trumpet warning, the heralding of the news, the announcements of what is soon to come to pass. These watchmen on the wall of Zion are the two witnesses of Revelation.

Numbers 11:24 And Moses went out, and told the people the words of the LORD, and gathered the seventy men of the elders of the people, and set them round about the tabernacle. 25 And the LORD came down in a cloud, and spake unto him, and took of the spirit that was upon him, and gave it unto the seventy elders: and it came to pass, that, when the spirit rested upon them, they prophesied, and did not cease. 26 But there remained two of the men in the camp, the name of the one was Eldad, and the name of the other Medad: and the spirit rested upon them; and they were of them that were written, but went not out unto the tabernacle: and they prophesied in the camp
 
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The sacrifice of the passover has no atonement in it. The feast that speaks of the atonement is in the Day of Atonement. While there is atoning power in the blood of Yeshua, it is not the fulfillment of the Passover, where the sanctuary is cleansed. That is in the Day of Atonement.

So the Passover was exacty that, as in Egypt, to save us from the angel of death, and the power thereof. But our sins have not been washed away yet?
 
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they were of them that were written


Where in Torah times?

but went not out unto the tabernacle: and they prophesied in the camp

See, this is confusing to me, was not the tabernacle in the center of the camp? So if they were in the camp....................................and in the middle of the camp was the tabernacle ? And didn't they get into trouble for not going?

gotta go, Challah buzzer went off. :)
 
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Numbers 11:24-24 And Moses went out, and told the people the words of the LORD, and gathered the seventy men of the elders of the people, and set them round about the tabernacle. 25 And the LORD came down in a cloud, and spake unto him, and took of the spirit that was upon him, and gave it unto the seventy elders: and it came to pass, that, when the spirit rested upon them, they prophesied, and did not cease. 26 But there remained two of the men in the camp, the name of the one was Eldad, and the name of the other Medad: and the spirit rested upon them; and they were of them that were written, but went not out unto the tabernacle: and they prophesied in the camp.

The holy spirit descended upon the chosen 70 elders that were where they were suppose to be at the tabernacle. The two men in the camp that also received the holy spirit shocked everyone, except Moses.

27 And there ran a young man, and told Moses, and said, Eldad and Medad do prophesy in the camp. 28 And Joshua the son of Nun, the servant of Moses, one of his young men, answered and said, My lord Moses, forbid them. 29 And Moses said unto him, Enviest thou for my sake? would God that all the LORD'S people were prophets, and that the LORD would put his spirit upon them!
So the two witnesses will prepare a people for the Day of Atonement, the marriage of the Lamb, when we will one.
1 Corinthians 1:10 I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Yeshua Messiah, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought.
We are not in the right frame of mind yet, but the Lord is working on us to learn the fall feasts and their spritual meanings. The fall feasts will be the guide lines by which to see what order each event occurs.

The Feast of Trumpets is for the announcements, the trumpets of Revelation, the warnings, the start of the new year, the appearance of two witnesses, and and the start of end times.

The Day of Atonement is for Satan to appear as Jesus, and want to sit in the Temple of God as God, the marriage of the Lamb, the cleansing of the sanctuary [including your mind], and the end of sacrifice for sins. Satan will be bound and thrown into the abyss.

The Feast of Tabernacles is the time in the wilderness, the depending on God to look after you, the final harvest, and on the eighth day will be the resurrection and those that are alive getting together to meet with the Lord, from there we go to the Lord's Wedding Supper and rest for a thousand years.
 
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:doh: I don't believe this, everytime I have read that ( and it's been recent even with the Torah portion not that long ago) I always thought that Moshe called the seventy men together to met him at the tabernacle and only 68 came and the other 2 stayed in the camp and were prophesizing in the camp when they should have been at the tabernacle. Oy! I can't understand why I always thought that but sure there is a good reason and happy I now get it! :doh:
 
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Sukkot or Feast of Tabernacles is the festival of fellowship and union with God, with a God with us understanding. As was illustrated in the forty years in the wilderness, with God dwelling with his people in the tabernacle and latter in the temple at Jerusalem, it is the ultimate goal of God to be with us. In the great ingathering at the end of time, where the believers are raptured as the wife of the Lamb. It is forever that God wishes to have this union with man.
 
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