Judge Says Calif. Can't Ban Gay Marriage

Susan · Mar 14, 2005

Ginny said:
...one day everyone on this earth will kneel before the Almighty God that gave breath to their lungs...The One that gave us a choice to accept that violent death of being nailed to a cross for the remission of their sins...as disgusting and vile as they all are.

Thank you Jesus Christ for all you have done for me. Thank you for loving me and giving me the opportunity to choose between you and an eternal hell.

Heaven is as real as hell is and I am eternally grateful for my salvation through you. I pray each person turns from their ice cold hearts and wakes up to the reality that this barren country has turned away from you and your teachings. May you have patience with those that do not give You the time of day. May we turn back to the foundations that this country was founded upon.

I thank you for a Christian forum in which people who do not give you the time of day still come to a place to chat with the word Christian in the name of the forum....as atheist and agnostic as they may be.

Lord, this will be a place where people who do not know you will be given several opportunities to hear Your name whether they like it or not...so that one day they cannot say they were never told...that day that they stand before you called The Judgement to testify if they had a relationship with you...or not.

Just thank you, Jesus....thank you.

I'll be quite happy to be there in Heaven with you

I'm just as saved as you are.

2001MustangGT · Mar 14, 2005

jsn112 said:
I didn't make diseases as my basis for against gay marriage. I was responding. If you must know, my basis for against gay marriage because it is not morally right in God's eye.

That is fine. In that case, I recommend that you do not have a gay marriage yourself.

But your faith, or the faith of any other religious person, is not the basis for law in this nation. congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion.... sound familiar?

In Saudi Arabia, the Quran is the constitution. In America, the Bible has nothing to do with the constitution.

jsn112 · Mar 14, 2005

2001MustangGT said:
Yes it did. "America" didnt exist until the Decleration of Independence, in case you werent aware.

Australia wasnt a seperate nation on its own the moment Britain dropped prisoners on its shores. It had to obtain independence. Same with America.

FYI "America" used to be a collection of colonies owned primarily by Britain.

When the mayflower was around, there was no Decleration of Independence, which means that America was not a seperate nation, which means that the laws we are governed by in Amerca today, including the constitution and bill of rights, did not exist.

I cant believe I have to tell you this stuff. Colonists landing on foreign shores does not a nation make. America started with the revolutionary war and the constitution and the decleration of course. Which was long after the Mayflower thing.

Anyway, thats too much of a derail as it is...

FYI "America" existed before the Declaration of Independence. And it wasn't just the British owned colonies but France, Spain, etc. as well. After all said and done, the word "United States" of America was formed.

Are you saying before Franklin and Jefferson, it doesn't count?

knuckle50 · Mar 14, 2005

jsn112 said:
Tell me what is "their" religion that they are practicing?

Freedom from your flawed and ridiculous imposition of your religious beliefs upon their lives.

2001MustangGT · Mar 14, 2005

NFSteelers said:
Marriage, the act of marrying is sacred. Throughout the history of the United States marriage has been defined as a union between a man and a woman. Marriage = man +woman. Let Sacred = Marriage, Sacred = man + woman. By allowing homosexuals to marry will take away from the sacredness of marriage, ie. the sanctity of marriage. Marriage between a man and a woman is sacred because that is how it is done historically. Now someone is going to bring in the interracial comment... so I will repeat myself marriage is sacred between a man and a woman.

All that typing and you still didnt support your assertion. Unless you count the historical thing.

but if historical tradition = sacredness, then I could argue that persecution of other religions is sacred because it was always done historically. Or that interfaith marriage is pohibited because it is sacred to do so due to historical tradition.

Being a President is a sacred thing. Only a select number of individuals get to be president. If 10 people were allowed to be president at a time, the meaning of George Washington, Abe Lincoln, Jefferson, Bush, Reagan, etc. would be significantly less because the job would be less sacred. Applying this to marriage, if more and more people are allowed to get married then the sacredness of marriage is reduced. And so I believe we must keep it within a man and woman to keep it sacred....sanctified.

This is how it will affect my marriage in the future.

Being president is a privelege. Marriage is a right. Being able to run for office is also a right. If youre gonna start talking about elections, then I could use your argument to say that gays shouldnt be allowed to run for office.

but of course, prohibiting gays from running for office is wrong. And so is prohibiting them from marrying.

2001MustangGT · Mar 14, 2005

jsn112 said:
FYI "America" existed before the Declaration of Independence.

I was referring to the nation known as The United States of America. And in this case, the nation known as the USofA definitely did not exist when the continent of America was composed of European colonies. Do you know what a colony is?

And it wasn't just the British owned colonies but France, Spain, etc. as well. After all said and done, the word "United States" of America was formed.

Are you saying before Franklin and Jefferson, it doesn't count?

Im saying that youre confusing the name of a continent with the name of a country and that you dont seem to differentiate between an independent nation and a colony.

knuckle50 · Mar 14, 2005

NFSteelers said:
I don't think you can accurately make that statement.... And just because a person has different beliefs then yours does not mean it is bigotry.. saying because our views are different from yours is bigotry is actually the act of bigotry.

Simple mathematics, really.

Racism = Bigotry

Bigotry = Thinking you are better than other people and deserve more rights

Anti-Marriage Equality = Bigot.

ZACTAK · Mar 14, 2005

knuckle50 said:
so easy to turn your own arguments against you... note the only things i replaced was man and woman.

Marriage, the act marriage is sacred. Throughout the history of the United States marriage has been defined as a union between a white man and a white woman. Marriage = white man + white woman. Let Sacred = Marriage, Sacred = white man + white woman. By allowing negroes to marry white women it will take away from the sacredness of marriage, ie. the sanctity of marriage. Marriage between a white man and a white woman is sacred because that is how it is done historically. Now someone is going to bring in the interracial comment... so I will repeat myself marriage is sacred between a white man and a white woman.

Being a President is a sacred thing. Only a select number of individuals get to be president. If 10 people were allowed to be president at a time, the meaning of George Washington, Abe Lincoln, Jefferson, Bush, Reagan, etc. would be significantly less because the job would be less sacred. Applying this to marriage, if more and more people are allowed to get married then the sacredness of marriage is reduced. And so I believe we must keep it within a white man and white woman to keep it sacred....sanctified.

This is how it will affect my marriage in the future.

By changing a few words, congratulations, you're a racist. Racism is the same thing as being against gay marriage or gays.

First off being gay is not a race and so I cannot be "racist" against gays. Secondly I don't have a problem with gay people. I however do not support them getting married. There is a difference there.

Thirdly, you are in violation of Rules 1.2 and 1.3 of Christianforums rules.

Rule No. 1 - No "Flaming"
1.1 You will not post any messages that harass, insult, belittle, threaten or flame another member or guest.
1.2 You may discuss another member's beliefs but there will be no personal (ad hominem) attacks on the member himself or herself.
1.3 You will not misquote another member regardless of context.
1.4 You will not directly state or otherwise imply that another member is not a Christian.

Susan · Mar 14, 2005

jsn112 said:
Tell me what is "their" religion that they are practicing?

I happen to be practicing Christianity, just not your specific sect of it.

ZACTAK · Mar 14, 2005

knuckle50 said:
Simple mathematics, really.

Racism = Bigotry

Bigotry = Thinking you are better than other people and deserve more rights

Anti-Marriage Equality = Bigot.

I don't THINK I am better than a gay person. Nor do I say I deserve more rights then they. There is a difference to what you are saying.

2001MustangGT · Mar 14, 2005

jsn112 said:
Tell me what is "their" religion that they are practicing?

None of the above I guess you could say. Heres some quotes from lovely Jefferson

Jefferson said:
I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Francis Hopkinson, March 13, 1789

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Danbury Baptist Association, CT., Jan. 1, 1802

Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

You say you are a Calvinist. I am not. I am of a sect by myself, as far as I know.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Ezra Stiles Ely, June 25, 1819

As you say of yourself, I too am an Epicurian. I consider the genuine (not the imputed) doctrines of Epicurus as containing everything rational in moral philosophy which Greece and Rome have left us.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Short, Oct. 31, 1819

jsn112 · Mar 14, 2005

knuckle50 said:
Freedom from your flawed and ridiculous imposition of your religious beliefs upon their lives.

Yeah, Judeo Christianity is a hoax.

Susan · Mar 14, 2005

NFSteelers said:
I don't THINK I am better than a gay person. Nor do I say I deserve more rights then they. There is a difference to what you are saying.

You're saying that you deserve the benefits of marriage because you fell for someone with different parts than yours.

knuckle50 · Mar 14, 2005

NFSteelers said:
I don't THINK I am better than a gay person. Nor do I say I deserve more rights then they. There is a difference to what you are saying.

Marriage confers with it 1,300 civil rights. You think you deserve marriage and they don't, correct? I'm not flaming you, I'm just trying to present a reasoned argument.

knuckle50 · Mar 14, 2005

jsn112 said:
Yeah, Judeo Christianity is a hoax.

Didn't say that. It's my personal belief, though I don't think "hoax" does the entire nature of the thing justice. But I was talking about imposition of religious beliefs upon others, not personal beliefs. Believe what you want. But you can't force it on me.

ZACTAK · Mar 14, 2005

2001MustangGT said:
All that typing and you still didnt support your assertion. Unless you count the historical thing.

but if historical tradition = sacredness, then I could argue that persecution of other religions is sacred because it was always done historically. Or that interfaith marriage is pohibited because it is sacred to do so due to historical tradition.

Being president is a privelege. Marriage is a right. Being able to run for office is also a right. If youre gonna start talking about elections, then I could use your argument to say that gays shouldnt be allowed to run for office.

but of course, prohibiting gays from running for office is wrong. And so is prohibiting them from marrying.

I really don't see you supporting your claim they should get married. You could argue that, but religious persecution is historical, and is really irrelevant to anything going on in this thread.

I used the president example as that, an example to show what I was trying to say. Go back and read over it again, maybe it will sink in what I am trying to say... I am not talking about priviledges and rights in regards to that example, I am talking about sacredness of the position.

ZACTAK · Mar 14, 2005

Susan said:
You're saying that you deserve the benefits of marriage because you fell for someone with different parts than yours.

Point out where exactly I said I deserve the rights to be married... I never said that.

Ginny · Mar 14, 2005

..one day everyone on this earth will kneel before the Almighty God that gave breath to their lungs...The One that gave us a choice to accept that violent death of being nailed to a cross for the remission of their sins...as disgusting and vile as they all are.

Thank you Jesus Christ for all you have done for me. Thank you for loving me and giving me the opportunity to choose between you and an eternal hell.

Heaven is as real as hell is and I am eternally grateful for my salvation through you. I pray each person turns from their ice cold hearts and wakes up to the reality that this barren country has turned away from you and your teachings. May you have patience with those that do not give You the time of day. May we turn back to the foundations that this country was founded upon.

I thank you for a Christian forum in which people who do not give you the time of day still come to a place to chat with the word Christian in the name of the forum....as atheist and agnostic as they may be.

Lord, this will be a place where people who do not know you will be given several opportunities to hear Your name whether they like it or not...so that one day they cannot say they were never told...that day that they stand before you called The Judgement to testify if they had a relationship with you...or not.

Just thank you, Jesus....thank you.

knuckle50 · Mar 14, 2005

NFSteelers said:
Point out where exactly I said I deserve the rights to be married... I never said that.

Marriage confers with it 1,300 civil rights therefore by being against marriage equality you are against civil marriage rights, no?

ZACTAK · Mar 14, 2005

knuckle50 said:
Marriage confers with it 1,300 civil rights. You think you deserve marriage and they don't, correct? I'm not flaming you, I'm just trying to present a reasoned argument.

I don't think I deserve marriage. I see being married as a priviledge not a right... sure the government isn't going to make a law to outlaw all marriages because people would get mad, but I don't see it as a right.

And you flamed as making personal attacks, as well as misquoting me from another quote I made... under the rules you cannot misquote a person. You might think you are making reasonable arguments but the ones you are making are really irrelevant to the issue at hand. The issue is gay marriage, not whether a person who believes it is right or wrong is committing bigotry.

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