Is dust the snakes' food?

Kas · Mar 2, 2005

muslimah. said:
Gen 3:14 And the Lord God said to the snake, Because you have done this you are cursed more than all cattle and every beast of the field; you will go flat on the earth, and dust will be your food all the days of your life:

Isa 65:25 The wolf and the lamb will take their food together, and the lion will make a meal of grass like the ox: but dust will be the snake's food. There will be no cause of pain or destruction in all my holy mountain, says the Lord.

Mic 7:17 They will take dust as their food like a snake, like the things which go flat on the earth; they will come shaking with fear out of their secret places: they will come with fear to the Lord our God, full of fear because of you.

Do you believe that those who lap up drinking water like dogs make good soilders?

Do you believe that the Sun sets into a pudlle of mud?

Do you believe that yawming is of the devil?

Because I'm pritty sure the hadiths say so, as does the Quran (about the sun)

hmmm...makes you wanna re-think some stuff son't it!

Kas.

stillsmallvoice · Mar 3, 2005

Hi all!

Serpent, snake, in the original Hebrew, it's all the same: nakhash.

What is the nature of God's curse to the snake? Dust is possibly the most ubiquitous substance on earth. God is, in effect, telling the snake that it will never want for food; what kind of a curse is that? The analogy is the manna. It fell 6 days a week, like clockwork, regardless of what we did or didn't do the whole time while we were trudging around in the wilderness. But it its very abundance would we come to take it for granted and forget the One who provided it? Therein lay the test that God refers to in Deuteronomy 8:16. But back to Genesis & the snake. By having a constantly abundant source of food, the snake would take it for granted, forget the One who provided it & grow apart/detached from Him; and that is a terrible curse.

The whole thing is an allegory, a metaphor, the value of which is in the moral it teaches. If we get sidetracked by (vain and sterile?) debates over whether or not snakes literally eat dust we are grasping at trees & missing the forest.

I heard a story that Karl Barth once gave a lecture on Genesis 3 at the University of Chicago. When it came time for the question and answer portion, a student spoke up and said "Dr. Barth, you don't really believe snakes could talk do you?" Barth replied, "I could care less whether or not snakes could talk. What I'm interested in is what the snake said."

Be well!

ssv :wave:

slamjam · Mar 3, 2005

I would agree with the other members that these kinds of thread are really unproductive and harmful to interfaith relations.

I WOULD LIKE TO ASK MUSLIMAH AND ALL OTHER RELIGIOUS GROUPS TO PLEASE ABSTAIN FROM ATTACKING EACHOTHER AND FOCUS ON SPREADING UNDERSTANDING.

Please.

muslimah. · Mar 4, 2005

slamjam said:
I would agree with the other members that these kinds of thread are really unproductive and harmful to interfaith relations.

I WOULD LIKE TO ASK MUSLIMAH AND ALL OTHER RELIGIOUS GROUPS TO PLEASE ABSTAIN FROM ATTACKING EACHOTHER AND FOCUS ON SPREADING UNDERSTANDING.

Please.

I AM NOT attacking anyone : in a previous discussion with one of the members here , I promised him to start writing about mistakes in the Bible , and this is what I am doing and I am willing to accept right explanations

vajradhara · Mar 4, 2005

excellent post, thank you very much for the information

gassho!

stillsmallvoice said:
Hi all!

Serpent, snake, in the original Hebrew, it's all the same: nakhash.

What is the nature of God's curse to the snake? Dust is possibly the most ubiquitous substance on earth. God is, in effect, telling the snake that it will never want for food; what kind of a curse is that? The analogy is the manna. It fell 6 days a week, like clockwork, regardless of what we did or didn't do the whole time while we were trudging around in the wilderness. But it its very abundance would we come to take it for granted and forget the One who provided it? Therein lay the test that God refers to in Deuteronomy 8:16. But back to Genesis & the snake. By having a constantly abundant source of food, the snake would take it for granted, forget the One who provided it & grow apart/detached from Him; and that is a terrible curse.

The whole thing is an allegory, a metaphor, the value of which is in the moral it teaches. If we get sidetracked by (vain and sterile?) debates over whether or not snakes literally eat dust we are grasping at trees & missing the forest.

I heard a story that Karl Barth once gave a lecture on Genesis 3 at the University of Chicago. When it came time for the question and answer portion, a student spoke up and said "Dr. Barth, you don't really believe snakes could talk do you?" Barth replied, "I could care less whether or not snakes could talk. What I'm interested in is what the snake said."

Be well!

ssv

slamjam · Mar 4, 2005

muslimah. said:
I AM NOT attacking anyone : in a previous discussion with one of the members here , I promised him to start writing about mistakes in the Bible , and this is what I am doing and I am willing to accept right explanations

You should not make such a promise. Searching for mistakes in someone's religion will only prompt them to attack yours.

muslimah. · Mar 5, 2005

slamjam said:
You should not make such a promise. Searching for mistakes in someone's religion will only prompt them to attack yours.

This is a discussion board and NOT a battle field to attack anyone. posting texts from the Bible is not attacking it.

I invite everyone to post any questions they have about the Holy Quran and will answer them. afterall, this is what the forum is for.

muslimah. · Mar 5, 2005

Kas said:
Do you believe that those who lap up drinking water like dogs make good soilders?

Sorry I don't get it? please explain

Kas said:
Do you believe that the Sun sets into a pudlle of mud?

Of course not

Kas said:
Do you believe that yawming is of the devil?

yawning is a sign of tiredness and restlessness. the devil likes us to be so

Kas said:
Because I'm pritty sure the hadiths say so, as does the Quran (about the sun)

you are wrong. the Holy Quran clearly says that earth is round and rotating.you have to read the interpretation of the Quranic verse which you are talking about before making such silly claim

excreationist · Mar 6, 2005

From here:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v10/i4/snakes.asp

......Snakes do deliberately and purposely eat and lick dust.

There is an organ in the roof of a snakes mouth called Jacobsons organ. This helps the snake to smell in addition to its nose. Its darting, forked tongue samples bits of dust by picking them up on the points of the fork, which it then presents to its matching pair of sensory organs inside its mouth. Once it has smelt them in this way, the tongue must be cleaned so the process can be repeated immediately.....

HumbleSiPilot77 · Mar 6, 2005

Kas said:
Do you believe that the Sun sets into a pudlle of mud?

I was just going to bring this one up... I mean while there are tons of information available on the net about the meanings of such things why would anyone start nitpicking on simple things, obviously there is a meaning under it. When Christians do it though, I hear a lot of whining. Therefore I am not spending much time on Quranic verses which may contain underlying meanings, because eventually someone will explain that away, I would spend more time on the claims of it though...

HumbleSiPilot77 · Mar 6, 2005

muslimah. said:
yawning is a sign of tiredness and restlessness. the devil likes us to be so

Bah nonsense... Yawning can be an indication of tiredness, stress, over-work or boredom. Or an action indicating psychological decompression after a state of high alert. Or a means of expressing powerful emotions like anger and rejection... God created man in this physiology, we get tired! We don't have it because Satan likes it so. However this brings up more interesting questions to the table, why would devil like us to be so? Am I going to be tired so he can deceive me? He already deceives many who are WIDE AWAKE, what's up with that? Please explain this from your noble scripture...

you have to read the interpretation of the Quranic verse which you are talking about before making such silly claim

Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. Matt. 7:4-5

muslimah. · Mar 7, 2005

Bushmaster said:
Bah nonsense... Yawning can be an indication of tiredness, stress, over-work or boredom. Or an action indicating psychological decompression after a state of high alert. Or a means of expressing powerful emotions like anger and rejection... God created man in this physiology, we get tired! We don't have it because Satan likes it so. However this brings up more interesting questions to the table, why would devil like us to be so? Am I going to be tired so he can deceive me? He already deceives many who are WIDE AWAKE, what's up with that? Please explain this from your noble scripture...

Yes God created man in this physiology , remember that HE created us with minds that make us able to think and decide, why then are there billions of people who do not believe in HIS exsistence?
the devil likes us to be angry so we hurt ourselves and others, he likes us to be tired or sad to keep us away from being happy and therefore thankfull to the Almighty allah for the blessings HE gave us.

Bushmaster said:
Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. Matt. 7:4-5

I asked for the interpretation of the Quranic verses which he claimed says the sun falls in mud ?

excreationist · Mar 7, 2005

muslimah:
Just wondering, who is the tempter in the Moslem version of the garden of Eden story? Is it Satan rather than a snake? Does it say what Satan looks like? (Just like a human?) Does he tempt them to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil?

azri · Mar 11, 2005

Snakes do eat dust!
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v10/i4/snakes.asp
by Carl WielandIn Genesis 3:14 we read, And the Lord God said unto the serpent upon your belly you shall go, and shall eat dust all the days of your life. Since snakes do not really appear to eat dust, this has been taken as an example of either obvious metaphor (which seems reasonable) or an example of the Bibles propensity to error, depending upon ones bias.In Micah 7:17 we read, (The nations) shall lick the dust like a serpent. Once again we have the situation where, as more information has come to light, the Bible has been shown to be not only accurate, but accurate in minute detail. Snakes do deliberately and purposely eat and lick dust.There is an organ in the roof of a snakes mouth called Jacobsons organ. This helps the snake to smell in addition to its nose. Its darting, forked tongue samples bits of dust by picking them up on the points of the fork, which it then presents to its matching pair of sensory organs inside its mouth. Once it has smelt them in this way, the tongue must be cleaned so the process can be repeated immediately.Therefore serpents really do lick dust and eat it.
I guess they really do eat dust. I thought it was just symbolic.

There are many other vertebrate animals that have this 'Jacobson's organ'.

HumbleSiPilot77 · Mar 12, 2005

muslimah. said:
Yes God created man in this physiology , remember that HE created us with minds that make us able to think and decide, why then are there billions of people who do not believe in HIS exsistence?

They most surely know, experience and feel HIS existence but they refuse to believe not to get themselves in some kind of devotion to something they can not see, not to be accountable for the deeds they do, etc... However existence billions of people not believing in God has nothing to do with Him creating us in certain physiology and certainly nothing to do with yawning being related to Satan.

the devil likes us to be angry so we hurt ourselves and others, he likes us to be tired or sad to keep us away from being happy and therefore thankfull to the Almighty allah for the blessings HE gave us.

When I am tired, I can still be happy and thank God, today I am tired, my back hurts, I didn't get enough sleep, I am yawning, but I am thankful to God that my field exercise is completed! There are many ways for a person to be tired, certainly not all types of tiredness will cause yawning. Also I don't yawn when I am angry or sad. The simple fact still stands that yawning has nothing to do with Satan and you failed to explain this away. It is another form of long established superstition in Islam and/or unreliable hadith...

I asked for the interpretation of the Quranic verses which he claimed says the sun falls in mud ?

You simply asked for the Bible verse I provided, and let me assure you it is NOT a metaphor! It can be understood as it is read. Therefore read it again.

HumbleSiPilot77 · Mar 12, 2005

azri said:
There are many other vertebrate animals that have this 'Jacobson's organ'.

And?

excreationist · Mar 13, 2005

I guess azri is saying that other animals besides snakes also have to lick/eat the dust on the ground.

azri · Mar 13, 2005

Does this mean that other animals with 'Jacobson's Organ' being cursed too?

Bevlina · Mar 13, 2005

azri said:
Does this mean that other animals with 'Jacobson's Organ' being cursed too?

Do these other animals have no legs?

azri · Mar 13, 2005

These animals 'eat dust' too.

Is dust the snakes' food?

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