Originally posted by GW
My last post was the death blow to your view on Romans 8. It was a pleasure to take the time and compare the Galatians and Romans 8 passages side by side to show how vacuous your silly notion is that they speak of two different things with two different referents separated by thousands of years.
Quite simply, the notion that Galatians and Romans 8 speak of two different "redemptions," two different "bondages," two different "manifestations of the sons of God", two different "groanings of the Holy Spirit"/outcires of "Abba Father" for two different purposes and outcomes IS ROLL ON THE FLOOR LAUGH OUT LOUD FUNNY.
Eat humble pie, brother. The longer you continue in this error the more painful the side-by-side comparison of Romans 8:14-25 and Galatians is going to get for you.
God bless,
GW
actually you did not compare the actual scriptures "side to side" i did that, you compared your "interpretations"
and since you seem to indicate that you are not in your immortal glorified form yet, and you also said you have to die for this to occur.
GW you yourself are physical proof i am right!
are you redeemed from the Law? YES just like Paul was in his epistles. the redemption made available bought this. this redemtion occurs during physical life on earth.
are you redeemed from death YET? NO for the simple reason you have not died yet! you do not have eternal life yet but only the promise of it, just like Paul and every other pre70ad believer and you will not get it until after you die. your own mortality proves you wrong...
so when Paul says this:
Romans 3:23-25
since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, they are justified by his grace as a gift , through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as an expiation by his blood, to be received by faith.[/ B] This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins"
Ephesians 1:6-8
to the praise of his glorious grace which he freely bestowed on us in the Beloved. In him we have redemption through his blood , the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace which he lavished upon us.
scripture means what it exactly says...all past tense concerning this redemption. this is the redemption you have now GW, the same redemption Paul had then, the redemption i have now.
the body you have now is going to die. your not immortal, your not glorified, your spirit though redeemed is still in cursed mortal flesh that is doomed to death. this bodily redemption you do not have yet, you have to die first.
1 Corinthians 15:36
You foolish man! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies.
that is why it's called a "resurrection" what is dead is raised to live AGAIN...
i see after looking at your "PS" your playing your usual semantics games...hinting at one thing then another. never really giving a straight answer.
so i am asking you again GW are you in a mortal body or your immortal body? your in one or the other. which is it?
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