Jesus will return in chariots??? HAY???

I recall Elijah being taken into the heavens in a chariot.

I recall Jesus rising up into the sky and out of sight, into the outer atmosphere.

I wondered what this could imply.

Then I saw this verse in Isaiah.

Isaiah 66
14 And when ye see this, your heart shall rejoice, and your bones shall flourish like an herb: and the hand of the LORD shall be known toward his servants, and his indignation toward his enemies.
15 For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
16 For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.


So, what are these chariots that belong to the lord of hosts (armies).

It appears as though it is an alien invasion with Jesus at the head and that he will blaze fire down on the earth and plead with all flesh.

There are other predictions that say, the kings of the earth will go to war with Jesus and his angels as they try to destroy our home.

They will lose and Jesus will save whom he will and he will destroy the rest and plead with all flesh.

Now, I now that everyone will think I am mad, but I genuinely see it this way.

Is there another explanation to these chariots that come from the heavens (sky) and take people like Elijah (who was alive and flesh) into the heavens?

Could someone tell me how I am wrong because I am not allowed to believe such things am I????

I love Jesus, he has changed my life, but these things make me concerned about the fact that my Lord will return and kill and murder all the women and children on the earth and take it for them.

That is starting to really concern me.

Should we just sit back and invite this slaughter of humanity as Christians or should we be fighting for the salvation of our earth before the return of the gods were we will most likely become an occupied world by higher being with vastly better technology.

Like say:

raising someone from the dead, or artificial insemination or being able to be beamed up from the earth, in the flesh, in front of a crowed, while two other beings stood by and said, why are you surprised at his assention, he will descend in the same manner (after we destroy everything you humans hold dear).


I am a Christian, but I am starting to feel as though we have all been set up so we wont stop the future invasion of OUR planet.

Are we betraying humanity because we have been ignorantly deceived by aliens (angels from the heavens.)?

This is honestly not a stab at Christianity.

This is a big reason that my Christianity is in crisis.

Now matter what I read in scripture, it keeps talking on this level to me.

I wonder if it is god revealing the truth to me as it was told to me in 3 different prophesies from pastors, that god would lead me a different way and I would stand against religions.

Is this what he ment or am I being deceived every time I try to read the bible, and how, considering I pray and do it all in the name of Jesus. I pray against deception but this is what I keep getting every single time I open the bible now.

Is god reviling any of this stuff to anyone else or am I being deceived.

phoenix,
that is good advise, but It is everywere I read in every chapter.


maybe if you could explain isiah 66 ; 15 I might see what others see these chariots to be.

thanks for the advise.

jeopardy.

Hey great, thanks for that link phoenix.

Is this some frightening being? Out of his mouth came a two edged sword, feet like brass, eyes were like flame? Of course not, it's Christ. The bible is full of so much symbolism and images it's hard to get a hold of sometimes.

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Yea, I can see the symbolism there phoenix but check out the scriptures that I will put to Willis at the end of my post and see if it is symbolic.

Your question reminds me of a book I once read which discussed the possibility that God was super-technological rather than supernatural.

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Hey Willis, it was a book that did it to me too, “The Book of Enoch”.
What happened to me was, I had read the bible so much that I decided to read the apocrypha and I studied the book of Enoch and that sent me into seeing the heavens as the sky and the angels as aliens and so on until I saw it everywhere I read in the bible.

There is only one thing holding my Christianity together;

How can they communicate spiritual truth, foretell the future and be able to relay it to man in a 'spiritual' manner? How can they answer prayer that is only spoken in our minds, and do we all have a little 'personal alien' who follows us around in his little flying saucer granting our wishes like on the Flintstones?

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This is the reasoning that keeps me awear of a bigger picture and a creator and an omnipresent god. I can’t let go of that spiritual relationship with god because it is the only thing I have that is solid truth to me.

Jesus tells us He is going to return in the clouds and in this instance I believe 'chariot' is a symbol for the ‘clouds

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Ya sees, this appears to go in line with Isaiah to me. He will return through the clouds just the way he left but before that day he will plead with all flesh from the heavens (sky in Hebrew), look at this.

Now then, where does it say the Lord comes back and kills women and children?

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Isaiah 24
1 Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and market it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattered abroad the inhabitants thereof.
2 And it shall be, as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his master; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with the taker of usury, so with the giver of usury to him.
3 The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the LORD hath spoken this word.
4 The earth mourned and faded away, the world languished and faded away, the haughty people of the earth do languish.
5 The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.
6 Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.


It goes on to say;
14 They shall lift up their voice, they shall sing for the majesty of the LORD, they shall cry aloud from the sea.
15 Wherefore glorify ye the LORD in the fires, even the name of the LORD God of Israel in the isles of the sea.

And then;
17 Fear, and the pit, and the snare, are upon thee, O inhabitant of the earth.
18 And it shall come to pass, that he who fleeth from the noise of the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that cometh up out of the midst of the pit shall be taken in the snare: for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth do shake.
19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly.
20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.

Hey guys, that was just one simple chapter of the bible and I don`t think any of that is symbolic, is it??


All you preterist ,work that one out, how is this past

It also says he comes in the clouds.

Messenger, what does the chariots mean in this scripture then.

I never get anyone to be able too simple tell me what "THIS" scripture means??

Why does everyone bring up another scripture as though it will answer the question???

So, what are these chariots of fire that will blaze fire on the earth?

The rest on the Isaiah scriptures as well???

Why bring up something I am not talking about, just address the scriptures I am talking about please, shish, It is so hard to get a straight answer when it comes to scriptures that people love to totally ignore because it doesn’t match up to there doctrine or expectations of there doctrines.

So can we address the scriptures I put forward so I can understand them because I already understand that Jesus will return like that, as I said in my last post.

In reference to your scriptures, I think Isaiah 24 is prophecying the destruction of Israel by Nebuchadnezzar. Verse 5 helps to give the identity of the people in question. So such word imagery is apocalyptic language depicting the fall of a people (in this case the people of Israel), and it is found throughout Isaiah and the OT. The "Chariots of Fire" should best be understood as a symbol of God's authority and might. Chariots were used in battle, and I think that is why they are used in Isaiah 66, as a depiction of God coming involved in a battle to rescue His people and to slay his enemies with "fire, fury, and with sword".

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Thanks acts,
I had considered that possibility as well but I just couldn’t make it fit history in Babylon’s fall.

The reasons that I don’t believed that it wasn’t Nebuchadnezzar was because of scriptures that don’t hold normal apocalyptic symbolic methods like whole earth and inhabitancy of the earth and kings and hosts of the earth and isles of the sea, for it to be relevant to Babylon.

I do have a good understanding of the apocalyptic side of Judaism in the last 400 yrs before Christ so I am with you on allot of what you say Acts (even if I don’t believe Jesus has returned).

Look at this;

Isaiah 24
1 Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and market it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattered abroad the inhabitants thereof.


In prophetic or apocalyptic language, there would have been a symbolic sign for which nation or people it referred to, but seems to suggest , it is the whole world.

And again;

15 Wherefore glorify ye the LORD in the fires, even the name of the LORD God of Israel in the “isles of the sea”.(symbolic for whole world)
16 From the uttermost part of the earth have we heard songs, even glory to the righteous. But I said, My leanness, my leanness, woe unto me! the treacherous dealers have dealt treacherously; yea, the treacherous dealers have dealt very treacherously.
17 Fear, and the pit, and the snare, are upon thee, O inhabitant of the earth.



Again, the words "uttermost part of the earth" and "inhabitant of the earth" and “isles of the sea” are not referring to a nation.


But most of all Acts , check this out;

18 And it shall come to pass, that he who fleeth from the noise of the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that cometh up out of the midst of the pit shall be taken in the snare: for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth do shake.
19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly.
20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.
21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.



Read that carefully because I am all form historically fulfilled prophecies but if you think all of it has past, then I have to disagree.

This says clearly that it is a global advent to me.

I have considered the fall of Babylon and the fact that she never rose again but this is not referring to Babylon as the earth;

1. Because Babylon did not fall in this manner at all.

2. Apocalyptic writing doesn’t use the word "EARTH" to describe a nation or an empire anywhere that I can remember.

3. It does say who it will affect, "v21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth."

This affected even the fallen angels and all there kings of the earth.

That was not the case in 537 BC when Cyrus defeated Babylon either.


So I gutta conclude that this is a future advent on a global scale, as mentioned in other places in the bible and apocryphal writings.

The chariots however, could very well be symbolic, as you have described.

MAYBE??? Not defiantly. :Scratch:

Because of multitudes of other scriptures that I don’t wish to discuss hear, I get that impression.

Thanks for your honest and straightforward answer Acts; it was exactly what I was asking for.

Jeopardy.

Auntie,
thanks for your incouragment.

I like the way you pulled those words apart to make meaning of the word.

please , do more of that in the forum, it is very educational.

thanks

Jeopardy.

this is the third attempt at this post. the first was deleted by a moderator because of comments that broke rule # 7 and after my cincear apology , I posted again , closing the discusion because of these history rules but then I was informed by a moderator that the only one stopping this discussion is you.

so , I get the impression that it is ok for you to answer my questions.

use as much history as you like and if it doesn`t get contentious , we should be ok, I think ,but until we are warned to stop , I think you are using the forum history rule to divert from answering my questions.

so, you can`t get out of it that easly acts

so fire away at your historical response .
if we over step we will stop at a moderators warning but I want my questions answered, no hiding

Bulwark: You say you are a Christian that is confused. It will do you no good, to listen to the lessons of heresy taught by the Full Preterists.

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When will this forum settle down and have some respect for others Catch-up, I am well educated and am offended at your suggestion that I bloke my eyes and ears.




Rule # 2 no trolling.
This will also include posts that put down another Christian group or denomination. Such behaviour is grounds for immediate suspension.

I am not allowed to say such things about the roman Catholics or the j/ws or the Mormons or the 7th dyers because I would be braking the rules but for some reason everyone thinks they have the right to smash rule #2 in to oblivion, not just brake it, when the Preterists are the subject.

Catch-up, this is a direct violation of the rules and the reason that is, is because it is offensive to do this to others.

I have my own brain and my Christianity is in confusion because of this exact attitude that comes from Christians as though they know what the truth is when they don’t know it any better than the next person.

The next person that tells me to not listen to Preterists, will be enough for me to find a preterits thread and go ask them all about what they believe and I will lap all of it up because I am not a Christian that lives my life in fear of the truth like most Christians that make statements like this.

I am a confused Christian because Christians don’t act like Christians, that is why and this is a perfect example.
catch up , Acts is a friend , a mate , do you know what that is??

I am not going to close my ears or eyes to a mate , not any mate and if I did do that when I came hear , then I wouldn`t have had the chance to get to know Acts so be carful what you say and to who you say it.

ok acts , a deathmatch it is, winner takes all.

I am going to get my AOE of my mate because he is borowing it because I got empire earth and we are going to settle this over a deathmatch

but

let me build a senario and you build a senario and we will have the best out of three.

so we will do my senario and then we will do your senario and then we will have it out on a deathmatch.

sound good.