Is Hal Lindsey accurate in his pradictions.

Thanks for clarifying, Jeopardy. You Da' Man! Take charge!

In Christ,

Acts6:5

Hey Jeoapardy,

I took the name several years ago because...

1.) I believe we need to be people of both "faith and the spirit".
2.) My parents named me after one of the men sent, Nicolas.

In Christ,

Acts6:5

Originally posted by jeopardy_chaos
I invited anyone that wanted to look at this from both sides of the subject that I put forward.

now , could some of Hals supporters do some suporting or has he made enough money of you guys.

could anyone tell me if these 3 points originate with Hal Lindsey;


Do words like rapture originates with Hal Lindsey??

Or

Quotes like; "the 7 yr tribulation".



When we argue about pre-trib or mid-trib or post-trib , isnt all of that because of a disagreement over what originated with a Hal Lindsey idea.



jeopardy.

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I believe that all three of those ideas were way before Hal started studying them. Look here, I am not one of his defenders, that is not my purpose, but when wolves attack the flock I will take a stand on the side of truth. Hal is one of the leaders in the field of studying Bible Prophecy, and that's why he gets attacked so often. You wouldn't expect the non-believers to attack the little unknown guy would you?? They appear to be jealous too, looking at his money, as if it was a crime to be blessed. Abraham was rich, and so was David and his son Soloman. There is nothing wrong with money, if there is, then how do you live without it?? Money is not the evil, as some would have us believe. The (love) of money is the root of all evil. I believe that God chose to bless Hal Lindsey, and I have been blessed by Hal's knowledge. You may not agree, but does that mean you should appoint yourself his judge?? All Hal is doing, is studying the words of the Prophets, and warning the people of what he believes is coming. When Daniel asked what the prophecies of the last days meant, he was told to seal up his words. And that in the last days, knowledge would be increased, and men would start to understand what he wrote. That is my interpretation, and my understanding. If the subject is too scary for you, then I wouldn't try to study it. You are on a forum that loves to read and study the words of the prophets, but hey, it's not for everybody. See ya

Originally posted by rollinTHUNDER
He said that if you don't hold this view, then please refrain from posting in this forum. How complicated is that??

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Brother, this thread is about Hal Lindsey and his teachings.

Catholics, the Reformed Churches, and the great majority of Christians around the world do not even remotely agree with Hal Lindsey's view of the Rapture, the Millennium, or political Israel.

Such people are allowed to post. What you seem to need is a "rapture-ready" kind of board where everyone must be a dispensationalist premillennialist to participate. This board is NOT one of these boards.

Originally posted by jeopardy_chaos

could anyone tell me if these 3 points originate with Hal Lindsey;

Do words like rapture originates with Hal Lindsey??

Or

Quotes like; "the 7 yr tribulation".

When we argue about pre-trib or mid-trib or post-trib , isnt all of that because of a disagreement over what originated with a Hal Lindsey idea.

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The Rapture, the 7 years tribulation, the future 70th week of Daniel, and many more ideas originated in the early 1800s. J.N. Darby was an important writer at the time and then those new ideas really were well-established via the Scofield Bible. The Scofield bible as thus birthed the "endtimes theology and minstries" of Hal Lindsey, Jack Van Impe, John Hagee, Tim Lahaye, and others.

Rapture is not even a word in the Bible. Nor is 7 years tribulation. Nor is millennium.

Originally posted by GW


Brother, this thread is about Hal Lindsey and his teachings.

Catholics, the Reformed Churches, and the great majority of Christians around the world do not even remotely agree with Hal Lindsey's view of the Rapture, the Millennium, or political Israel.

Such people are allowed to post. What you seem to need is a "rapture-ready" kind of board where everyone must be a dispensationalist premillennialist to participate. This board is NOT one of these boards.

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This thread is still in this forum. We have nothing for you here. Surely you can find a forum somewhere. I am sick and tired of seeing you preterists attacking and accusing and dividing. Satan is also an accuser. Why do you follow his lead??? Have you seen his fruit?? It is just like yours.

Originally posted by rollinTHUNDER
Hal is one of the leaders in the field of studying Bible Prophecy, and that's why he gets attacked so often. You wouldn't expect the non-believers to attack the little unknown guy would you?

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Hal Lindsey must be held accountable for his teaching (James 3:1). He gets attacked so often because he has made a multi-million dollar operation out of publishing ream after ream of false predictions in tabloid journalism fashion. His Tabloid-styled, sensationalistic theology never pans out -- not ever. Read his old books. Re-watch his tapes from a mere decade or two ago. You have been had, rollinThunder.

Originally posted by rollinTHUNDER
There is nothing wrong with money, if there is, then how do you live without it??

They appear to be jealous too, looking at his money, as if it was a crime to be blessed. Abraham was rich

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1 Timothy 6:5
Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

2 Corinthians 12:17
Did I make a gain of you by any of them whom I sent unto you? [Pau's integrity]

1 Corinthians 9:18
What then is my reward? That, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel without charge [more of Paul's integrity]

Proverbs 1:19
So [are] the ways of every one that is greedy of gain; which taketh away the life of the owners thereof.

rollinThunder says:
Satan is also an accuser. Why do you follow his lead??? Have you seen his fruit?? It is just like yours.

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We are exposing Hal Lindsey's false teachings simply by taking his own track record and writings and comparing it to trustworthy, biblical truth. When ever has Hal's predictions come to pass?

Why do you follow the lead of Hal Lindsey who has made millions and millions on verifiable falsehoods?

I personally wouldn't care how much money he makes, just as long as his teachings are correct. Money isn't the issue for me, anyway - just as long as what he says is accurate. I feel this way because a great many Christians are influenced by what he teaches. It's as simple as that. What are some of his specific predictions that actually came to pass? Does anyone have any examples? I'd be interested in hearing some.

In Christ,

Acts6:5

Just pick up one of his older books from your local used bookstore:

*Late Great Planet Earth (1970s editions are the best -- no backpedaling in those prints)

*1980s: Countdown to Armegeddon


Reading either one will help you decide whether Hal Lindsey predicted correctly or falsely about world events based on what he claimed the bible teaches.

But be sure to get copies that are not dated much later than the original publish date. A whole lot of revision and robbery is going on in this industry to cover-up how "off target" the books really are when compared to evolving political and social developments of our day.

Let's remember to keep things civil. Address the topics and issues, not individuals, if you disagree with something.

I really don't want to close threads, or suspend members. I think we can all rise above the bickering and mud-slinging.


Thank you,

John

JC,

As I pointed out earlier, Hal Lindsey is not the final authority on any biblical matter. As GW pointed out the rapture, 7 year tribulation, return of christ etc. did not originate with Hal Lindsey, neither did they originate in the 1800's as GW suggests.

The word 'rapture' is derived from the latin vulgate which predates the KJV bible and is the word that is used to describe the event which Paul describes as 'we who are alive and remain will be caught up in the air...' 2Thes. There can be no arguement that the rapture is a valid, biblical concept, though the nature of the event is debated. The book of revelation is about the 'great tribulation' which is also in Matthew 24, and Revelation divides this time period into two phases, each lasting 3.5 years so we have a seven year tribulation period. Again this is a biblical concept that comes from the bible and didn't originate with Hal Lindsey, nor in the 1800's but with God himself.

From what little I know about Hal Lindsey he takes bible prophecy and shows HOW that prophecy COULD be fulfilled using current events. This is a very fine line because Hal is showing 'MIGHT BE' instead of 'THIS IS'. If you go back and read the threads you'll see many threads where I've posted things and qualified those statments as 'might, possibly, could be' etc. yet others have taken these as absolute statments when they were never meant to be taken that way.

If you want to discuss rapture, the resurrection, second coming of Christ, 7 year tribulation, mark of the beast etc. by all means let's discuss those issues from a biblical perspective and not filter those ideas through prophecy teachers but rather use the bible as our authority.

Originally posted by GW
Just pick up one of his older books from your local used bookstore:

*Late Great Planet Earth (1970s editions are the best -- no backpedaling in those prints)

*1980s: Countdown to Armegeddon


Reading either one will help you decide whether Hal Lindsey predicted correctly or falsely about world events based on what he claimed the bible teaches.

But be sure to get copies that are not dated much later than the original publish date. A whole lot of revision and robbery is going on in this industry to cover-up how "off target" the books really are when compared to evolving political and social developments of our day.

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I have that version of "The Late Great Planet Earth". The problem is not with the book, it is with the readers comprehension or lack of I should say. I already told you all, that it was not my calling to defend this brother. You preterists have twisted and twisted and twisted his words until you can't even recognize what he was saying. How do I know that?? It is very simple. The very same way that you have twisted my words, and distorted what I mean, like you are interpreting for others what I have already put in plain, simple terms, and in their own language. And I don't even write books. But if I did, I'm sure I would be on your list as well. Look at your fruit, what fruit?? Where is it??
Look at what you preterists are pushing. And you call Hal Lindsey a false teacher?? You need to look in the mirror when you accuse, because you will be judged by your own standards. I would not want to be in your shoes on that day.
If you were half a man, you would not accuse behind his back. I am done with this thread. You judges take over from here, but your words will be held accountable.

Originally posted by rollinTHUNDER


Hello Jeopardy,
Notice very carefully, that the only ones who responded to your question, are the very same Preterists who invaded this forum, seeking to disrupt the fellowship of the believers and members of this Forum. I would disagree with all their opinions. The darkness will never be able to understand the light. Deception will never overtake Truth.
Hal Lindsey is a very valuable soldier in the Lords Army. Many have come to the knowledge of the truth because of his work. I don't know why people think that the Lord appointed them judge of the brethren. Be careful friend.

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RollinTHUNDER,

That is not a very biblical way to answer a fellow believer's statement. Calling them "darkness" and "deception" because their biblical eschatology is not in the same timeframe as yours is not right.
On the subject of Hal Lindsey I would agree with the other posts. If he taught things publicly that were false prophecies then he should be rebuked publicly as that is the biblical precedent. When believers expose false teachings or false prophecies they are helping the body of Christ not hindering it. Now, I am not saying that he is a heretic, but I am saying that he has some bad teachings that we should be aware of. He is also into numerology which is also unbiblical and blasphemous in my opinion.

God Bless

Wait a minute Willis Deal:

Please pick up a copy of LaHaye's "Rapture Under Attack" to see that he admits that the pretribulation Rapture and the 7 year tribulation period were not taught nor believed anywhere in the Church until the 1800s.

I thought everyone knew this history by now. Were you really not aware of this?

History of PreTribulation Rapturism
http://www.geocities.com/lasttrumpet_2000/timeline/index.html



By reading the history you will see that the Pre Trib Rapture idea came from Edward Irving (the Irvingites) in the 1820s. Read all about this man and read his translation of a work by a Jesuit priest that was floated to protestants to get them off of the idea the Reformers were teaching that the papacy was the antichrist. For the most part, it worked!