Is Hal Lindsey accurate in his pradictions.

BULWARK · Apr 23, 2002

I find that alot of hals interpretation of bible prophesys are still believed by alot of christians.

after all of these years , can anyone see that he has been right in anything so far.

or

has he been wrong in anything so far.

what are some of his Ideas that have obviously failed that will show he didn`t know what he was talking about.

or

what are some of his ideas that have obviously been accurate and true , to show that he new his stuff.

and , was hal a prophet or simply , someone that had some ideas that caught on??? :scratch:

NumberOneSon · Apr 23, 2002

I think Hal just had some ideas that caught on. I don't think he ever claimed to have the gift of prophecy. He usually qualifies his predictions with "if" and "maybe" and "this could be" (something the Apostles never did!). But at the same time his ideas have helped shape a great deal of the end-times ideologies in Christianity today, and if he has predicted wrongly then he has led a lot of people astray. Not out of the faith, but astray none the less.

And failed attempts to predict the Revelation events reflects poorly on Christianity by those in the outside world. When any Christian makes tons of money off of prophecy books, and their predictions fail, I feel they need to get out of the business and stop disenfranchising the Body. They should spend their time doing stuff that actually pans out.

Hey, I like your Avatar! Do you play "Age of Empires", by chance?

In Christ,

Acts6:5

GW · Apr 23, 2002

I can tell you where to look:

1970s copies of the "Late Great Planet Earth"

These 1970s copies were written before the late 1980s revisions that cover up embarrassing failed ideas, antichrist candidates, etc.

BULWARK · Apr 23, 2002

Hi there acts,
yea , I love playing age of kings (age of empires). I`m not big on games but that on is a pearler.

I tend to agree with your post on Hal linsey too.

thanks

jeopardy.

NumberOneSon · Apr 23, 2002

Jeopardy,

If you ever want to team up and conquer the world, let me know. I'll muster my Byzantine cavalry and we'll charge into battle! I'm a very one-dimensional general!

In Christ,

Acts6:

BULWARK · Apr 23, 2002

These 1970s copies were written before the late 1980s revisions that cover up embarrassing failed ideas, antichrist candidates, etc.

thats interesting GW , I wonder if I could find that book on the net??

I wonder if someone has a web page were there is already a study on this???

anyone know exactly what pradictions failed ??

is there any accurate ones??

GW · Apr 23, 2002

Originally posted by jeopardy_chaos

thats interesting GW , I wonder if I could find that book on the net??

I wonder if someone has a web page were there is already a study on this???

anyone know exactly what pradictions failed ??

is there any accurate ones??

I don't know who this author is, but he has some great links and reading on his site. Visit this link and browse around his links from this page:

http://www.biblicalperspectives.com/books/jigsaw_puzzle/

My father has a copy of the Late Great Planet earth from the 70s. One of these days I'm going to go through it and highlight just how inaccurate the predictions turned out to be.

But these writers just come out with a new one since the shelf-life of each book is only about 2 years max. The ones written before and about "Y2K" are great too.

BULWARK · Apr 23, 2002

thanks GW,
that was an interesting site. I might have to get this book and check it out.

hear is a bit from that site were it claims that Hal was wrong in his pradictions because they didn`t happen when he said they would.

THE BOOK TITLE
Puzzle: Five Predictions that Failed!

Hal Lindseys books on end-time prophecies are selling by the millions at a rate usually associated with hamburgers. His jigsaw puzzle approach turns Biblical prophecies into a crystal ball through which he predicts with astonishing boldness the precise pattern of events which were supposed to occur by the end of the 1980sthe time when the present history of this world was supposed to end.

In Hal Lindseys Prophetic Jigsaw Puzzle, Dr. Samuele Bacchiocchi analyzes five of the predictions which Lindsey made in 1970, showing how they failed to come to pass. The purpose of the book, however, is not merely to show the senselessness of Lindseys sensational end-time scenario, but primarily to help Christians understand the true nature and purpose of Biblical prophecies. The author encourages the reader to look forward, not to the occurrence of impersonal events, but rather to the coming of our personal Savior Jesus Christ, our "blessed hope."

now, there is shorely christians hear that believe in Hal Linsey???

what do you have to say about this claim that Hal was wrong because his pradictions were 30 yrs old and they didn`t fullfill them self as he sugested.
.
is it right that they are still making millions from his books and still teaching his stuff in the church.

I personaly don`t know much about the man or his pradictions accept that I always hear christians talk about his prophesys and I don`t seem to be able to work out why these people are so adament about pradictions that I cant even see in scripture.

are they just Halites or do they have some biblical foundation for some of this stuff.

rollinTHUNDER · Apr 23, 2002

Originally posted by jeopardy_chaos
I find that alot of hals interpretation of bible prophesys are still believed by alot of christians.

after all of these years , can anyone see that he has been right in anything so far.

or

has he been wrong in anything so far.

what are some of his Ideas that have obviously failed that will show he didn`t know what he was talking about.

or

what are some of his ideas that have obviously been accurate and true , to show that he new his stuff.

and , was hal a prophet or simply , someone that had some ideas that caught on???

Hello Jeopardy,
Notice very carefully, that the only ones who responded to your question, are the very same Preterists who invaded this forum, seeking to disrupt the fellowship of the believers and members of this Forum. I would disagree with all their opinions. The darkness will never be able to understand the light. Deception will never overtake Truth.
Hal Lindsey is a very valuable soldier in the Lords Army. Many have come to the knowledge of the truth because of his work. I don't know why people think that the Lord appointed them judge of the brethren. Be careful friend.

davo · Apr 24, 2002

I think jeopardy_chaos maybe on to something here -let evidence speak for itself [or the lack thereof]

davo

BULWARK · Apr 24, 2002

Notice very carefully, that the only ones, who responded to your question, are the very same Preterists who invaded this forum, seeking to disrupt the fellowship of the believers and members of this Forum.

Thunder,
I welcome anyones opinion on my threads and will examine their evidence as much as the evidence that you put forward.

I think they have just as much right to share their beliefs as anyone else is.

I dont think we should hijack them because we think differently thunder, I think allot of what they say makes allot of sense and to shut them up would be an act of fear and the supresion of the freedom of belief.

This is a free forum isnt it; its open to any denomination of Christianity isnt it.

These different beliefs need to be discussed so we can look at them because, me for one, cannot find any single denomination or belief system that is more accurate than the next.

I had noticed though thunder that only those against Hal had answered my thread so far.

I would greatly appreciate any input you can give in support of Hal Lindseys predictions.

Thunder, dont be disheartened by the Preterists, they believe that is what the bible teaches and they are not biblically ignorant people, they make a huge contribution to this forum on the grounds that we dont have to believe one side but all sides need to be examined and isnt this the best way to do it.

So, all Preterists are welcome to answer anything I say.

I am hanging out to hear some Hal beliefs that have been fulfilled.

The Preterists (as you call them) have made a very convincing case hear and I expected this to be the result but I am also disappointed that there is so many Hal believers and no one has yet been able to repeat a prediction to me from Hal that has happened.

So, could you show me thunder?

For the record, if someone believes what he or she are saying and genuinely believe the bible teaches it, then are they seeking to disrupt or enlighten???

Thunder, read my quote and see why your opinion in this is totally flawed to me. Instead , why not answer my question in suport of Hal Lindsey?? :wave:

Willis Deal · Apr 24, 2002

JC,

What is the point in discussing Hal Lindsey? Hal is just a man, like any of the rest of us (except for the women of course) and as long as we are in this mortal body we will make mistakes. I can't say whether Hal has ever had a fulfilled prophecy or a failed one, I'm sure I've read a book or two of his from time to time but I can't really remember any of the details. When reading material such as this I always look for scriptual reference, then get out my bible and read the whole chapter from which anyone takes a single verse to see if what is quoted is what is really meant. The bible itself has to be the final authority.

BULWARK · Apr 24, 2002

The thing is Willis, this is a forum that focuses on end time stuff and from my understanding of things, allot of Christians base there beliefs on hall Lindsey even if allot dont know it, because it appears to have become church doctrine in a lot of ways.

I have studied the bible over the years without his influence and I keep finding Christians saying things that are said by most Christians but I dont even get the vocality unless I conform to doctrines that I just dont understand.

Every time I try to find out why, Hal Lindseys name comes up.

Now, Hal wrote stuff in the 70`s and some 30 yrs have past since then and a big part of the church believes his ideas on scripture and I would like to see if he actually new what he was talking about because this is easy to see in 30 yrs hind sight and I would like to know how accurate this Christian was to be able to influence so many other Christians.

I want to understand why I see the scriptures different just because I havent been influenced by this mans doctrines.

I am on a genuine search hear Willis, I give you my word.

I am finding little support for him in a place that thrives on his beliefs though.

Do words like rapture originates with Hal Lindsey??

Or

Quotes like; "the 7 yr tribulation".

When we argue about pre-trib or mid-trib or post-trib , isnt all of that because of a disagreement over what originated with a Hal Lindsey idea.

These originated with Hal Lindsey didnt they?

anyone , both for or against , am I right about those 3 things there???.

GW · Apr 24, 2002

Originally posted by Willis Deal
What is the point in discussing Hal Lindsey? Hal is just a man, like any of the rest of us (except for the women of course) and as long as we are in this mortal body we will make mistakes.

Hal Lindsey claims to be a bible prophecy expert that teaches the biblical truth. But does he? Surely if he teaches the biblical truth then his books will either vindicate his claim or refute his claim. If his predictions have come to pass then he earns a second hearing. If they continually do NOT come to pass (which has been the case for 30 years) then he is a false teacher:

Deuteronomy 18:20-22
But the prophet, who shall speak a word presumptuously in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who shall speak in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die. If you say in your heart, How shall we know the word which Yahweh has not spoken? when a prophet speaks in the name of Yahweh, if the thing doesn't follow, nor happen, that is the thing which Yahweh has not spoken: the prophet has spoken it presumptuously, you shall not be afraid of him.

Hal Lindsey should be thanking his lucky stars that he is not living under the Old Covenant era! His track record would have gotten him kicked out of Israel and stoned many years ago.

Instead, he's a multimillionaire many times over ... but is the flock any richer?

NumberOneSon · Apr 24, 2002

Thunder,

Are you trying to tell me that even if I don't mentioned preterist ideas on a thread, you still are going to find a problem with me posting here? Would you have rather had nobody answer Jeopardy's thread? Not one of us have mentioned preterist ideas on here, and yet still you rage on. I would have said the same thing to Jeopardy in my first post even if I held the futurist viewpoint.

I would disagree with all their opinions.

Most futurists would agree with the principles I raised in my post. You'll disagree with anything we say, just because we believe in preterism - even if the topic isn't preterism!

You are causing the disturbances here, Thunder. You are causing conflict where it once did not exist (this thread, for instance).

In Christ,

Acts6:5

davo · Apr 24, 2002

Originally posted by GW
Hal Lindsey should be thanking his lucky stars that he is not living under the Old Covenant era! His track record would have gotten him kicked out of Israel and stoned many years ago.

Instead, he's a multimillionaire many times over ... but is the flock any richer?

LOL Yep! while Hal's flock have stars in their eyes Hal has $$$$$ in his

-it a strange odyssey

davo

rollinTHUNDER · Apr 24, 2002

Originally posted by Acts6:5
Thunder,

Are you trying to tell me that even if I don't mentioned preterist ideas on a thread, you still are going to find a problem with me posting here? Would you have rather had nobody answer Jeopardy's thread? Not one of us have mentioned preterist ideas on here, and yet still you rage on. I would have said the same thing to Jeopardy in my first post even if I held the futurist viewpoint.

Acts6:5

I must be on the wrong thread, because preterists were invited. Maybe no-one would have responded if you preterists would have honored Erwins request and departed. Why would you still insist on sticking around?? You asked my opinion, and my opinion you shall get. As I stated before, I believe you preterists are part of a cult. You are known by your lack of fruit. My Bible says that the brethren are supposed to encourage and build up each others faith, but you preterists bring a different idea to the table. Instead of encouraging, building up and being a blessing, your fruit is different, and very plain to see. You delight in accusing, dividing and tearing down what the church is trying to build. You are an enemy to the truth and you love to point fingers in judgement. It may be true that not all christians would recognize what you are actually trying to do, but I was one, and I called your bluff. I would not have responded to this thread if I had not seen the wolves back in the sheep pen. But this will be my last post in this thread, because it appears that Jeopardy stands in defense of you preterists, and that is his choice. He probably doesn't know your fruit is rotten.
Sometimes the truth hurts, and I have nothing against you preterists personally, but you are on the wrong Forum. The only thing you can gain here is division, and that is not what this forum was designed for. In closing, I would hope that some of you preterists recognize that your fruit is rotten, repent and turn away from it. Enough said, I will not respond to any other questions on this thread, so save it.

NumberOneSon · Apr 24, 2002

Maybe no-one would have responded if you preterists would have honored Erwins request and departed. Why would you still insist on sticking around??

Erwin's request was that history topics cease to be posted. He did not say preterists cannot post on the End-time forum. You are twisting Erwin's words; if you doubt this, then email him about it.

This topic is not about preterism; my posts have nothing to do with preterism. I told you I would have said the same thing about Hal Lindsey even if I held a futurist viewpoint (which I did at one time). Jeopardy, who is not a preterist, brought up the topic, not us.

This is a non-preterist thread, and I posted non-preterist ideas and opinions that have to do with accountability and integrity in the Christian community. This thread was peaceful and informative...until you showed up. "Fruit", indeed.

Christians who believe the preterist eschatalogy are allowed to post ideas that deal with present day endtime news and events, and not historical fulfillments. That's what I understand to be Erwin's position on the matter.

In Christ,

Acts6:5

rollinTHUNDER · Apr 24, 2002

Originally posted by Acts6:5

Erwin's request was that history topics cease to be posted. He did not say preterists cannot post on the End-time forum. You are twisting Erwin's words; if you doubt this, then email him about it.

Acts6:5

Wrong again Acts6:5. I love how you keep twisting what others say, NOT. He said that if you don't hold this view, then please refrain from posting in this forum. How complicated is that?? Aren't there other forums you can go to here, or are you just not happy until you start dividing the brethren??

NumberOneSon · Apr 24, 2002

Thunder, here is Erwin's quote:

This forum is NOT to discuss history or things that have already happened in the past. It is for the discussion of current and future events - regardless of your eschatological view.

If you don't hold this view, please refrain from posting in this forum as this forum is for people to discuss issues like the End Times, Armageddon, the Rapture and other such things.

This thread was not about history. This thread, and my original post, was written before 11:07 AM yesterday. Erwin's post about taking preterism elsewhere was written at 11:49AM yesterday. My post was written BEFORE Erwin's request. But of course you didn't care to notice that little fact. So not only am I a heretic, but I also should have been able to know Erwin's thoughts before he posted them.

My preterist views have nothing to do with this post. If I am not allowed to post here about current events and Hal Lindsey, even though I leave out my preterist views in these conversations, then that needs to be clarified. I don't believe that is what Erwin was saying, and if you think differently then contact TheBear. I am discussing preterism elsewhere, per the administrator's request.

Jeopardy,

If you have anything more you'd like to talk about concerning Hal, feel free. It's your thread.

In Christ,

Acts6:5

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