Question on speaking in tongues

The filling or receiving or baptism of the Holy Spirit is when we begin to allow the Holy Spirit complete control of our lives.
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I sometimes think of it that way too. But in Acts, there doesnt seem to be any indication that the Holy Spirit was received when they decided "Okay I'll give total control now, come and fill me". It was usu by the laying of hands.

Anyway, dont want to be dogmatic abt it. My current understanding is that of the well of water rising up verses rivers of life analogy, or resident vs president comparison.

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That is true and I have seen more people receiving the HS through the laying on of hands then any other way. All I really was trying to say was that what happens to us at salvation is entirely different then what we call the baptism of the HS.

JOhn & Peter were Jews. The Samarians were looked down upon by the Jews. Although in the previous post quoting scripture, the Samarians believed the gospel of Jesus, they had not recieved the Holy Spirit because they did not speak BOLDLY about the gospel they recieved= they were not confident that the gentile apostles preaching salvation to them was really for them. It was when the JEWISH apostles, Peter & John, arrived & layed hands on them, that they BOLDLY professed their own salvation.
The importance of that scripture is not that the laying on of hands showed proof of their salvation, but that it took JOhn & Peter, Jews, to convince them that a Jewish MEssiah offered salvation to the lowest class of all Gentiles=Samaritans.
WE ARE ONLY BAPTIZED ONCE. We are filled repeatedly. Therefore, referring to speaking in tongues as being the baptism of the Holy Spirit is incorrect terminology, unless you only speak in tongues once.

Never said that speaking in tongues was the baptism of the HS. I said that it was an evidence of baptism of the HS .

You are incorrect on being baptized only once. If you read Acts 4:23-31 you will find that all those presence at this prayer meeting at the release of Peter and John from prison received the filling of the HS again. We know that Peter and John were in the upper room when the HS first came. So you can be filled more than once.

Tim. Are you saying that tongues is the evidence of Baptism?
Personally, I believe tongues is one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit, not the evidence. The evidence is the Fruit displayed in our lives. As Jesus said, " By your fruits will you be known."

Originally posted by bcrick
Tim. Are you saying that tongues is the evidence of Baptism?
Personally, I believe tongues is one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit, not the evidence. The evidence is the Fruit displayed in our lives. As Jesus said, " By your fruits will you be known."

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No. I said it is can be an evidence of filling of the HS. I know many people who have the baptism of the HS, but have not spoken in tongues. If you read Acts you will see that many times speaking in tongues happens when the person gets filled with the Spirit.

Timothy, nowhere in the Bible does it say or insinuate or indicate that we are baptized more than once. We are filled with the Holy Spirit repeatedly, but baptized only once.
Acts 4 refers to be refilled not rebaptized.

Filled or baptized we are just disagreeing on symantics. I use either word to mean the same thing.

I say tongues are just babbling. The Holy Spirit comes to you when you are saved and fills you then. The tongues spoken in Acts are other laguages it even lists them out.

I speak in tongues. You are welcome to call it whatever you want to. Does not change the facts any.

Wht do you say when you speak in tongues?

Originally posted by Revelator
Wht do you say when you speak in tongues?

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Many time you do not know, but sometimes I ask God for understanding and He shows me what I have prayed about. There are times you just do not know how to pray for a particular thing. I begin to pray in tongues, sometimes as I am praying in tongues I change to english and I know how to pray. Sometimes I never know what I have said.

Here is a scripture that I found in the KJV bible about gifts: I Corinthians 12:7-11: 7)But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. 8)For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit. 9)To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10)To another the working of the miracles; to another prophesy; to another discerning spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another interpretation of tongues: 11) But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

Here is another scripture that may help you also: 1 Corinthians 14: various verses. Verse 1-6 Follow after charity and desire spiritual gifts , but rather that ye may prophesy. 2)For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.3) But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification and exhortation, and comfort. 4)He that speaketh in an uknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church. 5)I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifiying. 6) Now bretheren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall it profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation or by knowledge, or by prophesying or by doctrine ?

..Verse 9 So like wise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken ? for ye shall speak into the air. ..Verse 12 Even so ye forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church. 13)Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. 14) For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. Verse 18-19 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all: Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue. And finally Verse 22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that beleive, but to them that believe not:but prophesieing serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

Speaking in tongues accompanied my receiving of the Holy Spirit. It was not the only thing that happened to me that day. I felt it go right through me. I instantly was healed of 6 years of drug and alchohol addiction - no withdrawal. It was a massive thing that happened in my life - every aspect of my life was changed from then on, all I can do is testify that this is not the work of a devil - it is the work of God. There are no doubts in me about this - I know for a fact that I have the Holy Spirit, I know for a fact my sins are no more because I have been baptised - I can check every day if I am walking straight by examining myself according to His Word. I think a no doubt situation is better than common belief in Jesus. I read somewhere in the Bible that devils believe also and tremble. I can see how distressing this is to some, but I have known no other way - I was not taken to any church by my parents, so the only time I came into contact with Christanity was as I shared with you above. I am not confused about any aspect of this - I think it is very clear what the bible says about Tongues. But I have not come from a church that leaves this part of the Christian experience out from the service and/or its members, so I can only speak from my experience. I aknowlege that others have not had this experience and admire your love of Jesus the same.

Do you believe that you have the same miracules gifts as they did in the first century?

Do you believe that there are still apostles (See Acts 1:22-23) and prophets today?

In Eph 4:13 what is the unity of the faith?

Whatever this unity of the faith is would'nt you agree that it cross references to 1 Corth 13:8-10?

I kinda disagree with some of the things being said in here, but I'm not here to debate, just give my own opinion.. Which is: I totally believe in speaking in tongues, and when you are I totally believe you know what your saying, and you know your surroundings,and it truly is a gift from the Holy Spirit, and I can only hope that one day, I will be able to speak in tongues..

and you know your surroundings,and it truly is a gift from the Holy Spirit, and I can only hope that one day, I will be able to speak in tongues..
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The truth is, you dont really have to wait for it. Ask God for the Holy Spirit according to Luke 11:11, then begin to speak in faith. That's how I received.

Previously, the Pentecostals thought and taught that one had to pray and pray and pray and wait and wait and wait b4 one could receive. Then, recently, they found out that you dont have to wait and wait becos its a gift received by faith.

There are probably many who do not beleive in tongues. What do you think of people like me who speak in tongues? In other words: Do you think I am lying? Misguided? Deceived? Some kind of emotional hype that I brought about by my flesh? What?

Just curious on how you refute a testimony of tongues.

Cougan,

As you have asked me in other threads about if I believe in if there are apostles and prophets in operation today - can you please start a new thread on this - I am interested in following this on it's own, rather than inside the tongues thread?

I speak in tongues. Personally, I don't see what is so great about it. I think it is an overrated experienced. I sought his gift mainly so i wouldn't be the odd man out, as most of my friends had this gift.

I think the important thing is to just love God. Be happy with who you are. Don't feel as though you are a second class Christian if you don't speak in tongues.