Joyce Meyer

Living4Him03 said:

I urge all of you to search for Joyce Meyer on the equip dot org website! It will provide more information on her false teachings. I think so many women relate to her because she is so down to earth and so matter of fact. However, this does not make her biblical. Where does the BIBLE say Jesus went to hell? I have not seen that in scripture and common sense does not make something biblical.

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Joyce Meyer teaches sound Christian doctrine. These type of theological debates are irresponsible attempts to attack a christian ministry.

Yitzchak said:

Joyce Meyer teaches sound Christian doctrine. These type of theological debates are irresponsible attempts to attack a christian ministry.

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Simple question: Are all Christian Preachers teaching sound Christian doctrine?

I would not classify Joyce Meyers as a "false teacher". Everybody has opinions and views of the Bible. Nobody is forcing you to believe what they believe, they are just preaching what they in their heart believe. I think if the Bible wanted us to know more about Jesus going to hell and what had happened there, it would have stated. I don't really see the point on speculating this. Nobody knows the answer, there for let it go, and pay attention to what IS stated in the Bible. Now as for Joyce Meyer's, I personally like her. I think she truly is gifted. I may not agree with everything she says, but I still enjoy reading her books and listening to her teachings.

Anything that contradicts what the Bible says is false teaching

Anything that contradicts major, fundamental issues... I'd label someone that teachse that a "false teacher." Sutff about the deity of Christ, the Trinity, the virgin birth, salvation, the crucifixion, the resurrection... those kinds of core doctrines...

Anthony said:

Simple question: Are all Christian Preachers teaching sound Christian doctrine?

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Chuck Swindoll , yes.
Charles Stanley, yes.
Billy Graham, yes.
R.C. Sproul, yes.
Joel Osteen, yes.
Joyce Meyer, yes.
James Dobson, yes.
Vernon Mcgeee, yes.
Steve Hill, yes.
Kay Arthur, yes.
Beth Moore, yes.
Did you actually mean your question as a quest for knowledge because you don't know?? Or are you suggesting through a rhetorical question that we are to dismiss as false teachers anyone who doesn't agree with our personal "pet peeve" interpretations on every conceivable subject. Becuase I am sure those with this type of critical spirit can dismiss every preacher. perhaps your question should read instead, Are any christian preachers teaching sound doctrine??

you said this
how many people have i seen doit?
that is totally irrelevant, you know we base truth on the bible, not what weve seen.
it has to be Gods will.
sure, whats your point?
it doesnt change that words still have power and it still works. and that you can still speak to a mountain and tell it to move and it come to pass, that your words do have power.
and that is the point being discussed.

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No words are not containers of power, God is. By asking Him for something in no ways invokes some metaphysical power of the words themselves. That is metaphysics and has no place in Christian theology.

and actually it doesnt either, the spiritual gift inside of DOES NOT have to be in the will of God to work.
moses disobeyed and struck a rock with his staff and water came out, BUT THAT WAS NOT WHAT GOD TOLD HIM TO DO, BUT IT STILL WORKED.
and God punished him for it.
the power still went forth and did miracles, even though it was not used in the will of God.

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When I say "God's will" I am talking about what He allows to happen, not what He would rather we do.

you also said this
Jesus is God and im not.
so, Jesus did not come in the power of God, but in the likeness and nature of a redeemed man.
hebrews 2.16-17
for verily, he took not on himself the nature of angels: but he took on him the seed of abraham
wherefore in ALL things IT BEHOVED HIM TO BE MADE LIKE HIS BRETHREN...

Jesus did not work in the power of his being God.
he worked in the power of MAN, in everything that he did.

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Did He? He forgave sins, can you?
Just because Jesus relied on the Father as an example of how we should also do likewise, that in no way implies that Jesus stopped being God in the incarnation. He was 'Theanthropas' the God-Man and he showed his divinity on many occasions such as forgiving sins as I mentioned, accepting worship, and knowing men's thoughts.

he said more than once that he could do absolutely nothing by himself, or know anything by himself, only by the power of the father, and he also told one person that he wasnt even "good" like the father is "good".

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You are mistaken on why Jesus said this. The person calling him good did not know he was God in human flesh and Jesus was only pointing him to who was the only one who was truely good.

Jesus also said that we could and would do everything he did, and more! if we beleive.
yes i do beleive that.

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No that is not what Jesus said. He said, "greater things than these will you do in my name" which does not necessarily imply miracles greater than Christ performed which would be silly to argue. Christ raised Lazurus from the dead which is something nobody in modern times has ever done.
I believe the "greater things than these that Christ spoke of would be the great gift we have of being able to spread the gospel to the whole world not just the region he walked in.

we will never attain any of the attributes of God?
ephesians 3.19
...that ye might be filled with all the fullness of God.
ephesians 4.13
till we come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ.

if we can have the very fullness of God in us, like Jesus was the fullness of the Godhead bodily, how can you say we will never attain his attributes?

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I am talking about God's incommunicable attributes such as Self-existence, eternity, unity, immutability, omnipresence, omniscience, and omnipotence. We will never have the power to bring anything into being, or know everything at once, that is an attribute that is God's alone. We do and now have God's communicable attributes such as holiness, justice, righteousness, love, mercy, etc. That was my point.

the bible says we become Sons of God, through salvation.
that means we become his children, and we are not only adopted into his family, but a changed into his image and likness and inner make up, becuase Christ is INSIDE us.

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Actually Christ is not really inside you, that is a term describing our relationship to him and not a description of his locality.

the bible also says that God spoke and created all that was created, his WORDS and BREATH created the worlds.
thats how God works. we take on his ways and likeness when we are changed into his image through salvation.
do you not think that we now function in the same way, to atleast an extent?

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No I do not. God creates things because he is an infinite being of infinite power, not because he speaks them into existance. This is the problem with this line of thinking in the WOF camp. It is not the words that create, it is the person speaking the words that causes the action! God can create without saying a word at all.

Hi Anthony

I've heard alot about Joyce Meyers in the past, on some boards you get flamed just for mentioning her name.

I don't really like to mock teachers anymore, but the one problem i really do have with her is the ministry spending, which just is'nt on. 8 million $ a month comes in, and only a tenth goes out. Plus all her children draw paychecks from the ministry.

Friends if you enjoy Joyce keep watching her, but like all teachers, we must always test the teachings.

Yitzchak said:

Chuck Swindoll , yes.
Did you actually mean your question as a quest for knowledge because you don't know?? Or are you suggesting through a rhetorical question that we are to dismiss as false teachers anyone who doesn't agree with our personal "pet peeve" interpretations on every conceivable subject. Becuase I am sure those with this type of critical spirit can dismiss every preacher. perhaps your question should read instead, Are any christian preachers teaching sound doctrine??

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All Preachers can get inventive in their preaching. On any Sunday any Preacher can make a false preaching. That is why we are to double everything on which we rely back to scriptures.

The problem for some preachers, is when they get overly inventive, too much of the time, and those listening don't bother to double checks their inventive doctrines back to the bible. Worse is when they write books and put into ink their overly inventive theories and concepts presented as Biblical truths.