gun control

Originally posted by JohnR7
>>You still have not given a reasonable response to my other post, regarding Rom 14:1-6

What are you saying that your weak in the faith and so I should tolorate a intent in your heart to kill people?

>>You also overlook the fact that firearms are used to save lives, more times than not, without a single shot being fired.

How does a gun save a life without a shot being fired? I am sure a gun could save a life if a bear was charging you. But you have to fire a shot.

If your saying that just the threat is enough then NO I am not going to buy that. Any self defense expert will tell you that your defense is only as good as your willingness to use that defense. You many not have to use it, but you must be willing to use whatever defense you decide on.

If I were to use a gun to defend myself, I would not aim to kill, I would aim to make sure that they do not reproduce themselves. We do not need anymore little nuts like them running around in this world. The people themselves I would do all I could to get them saved.

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Aren't you the smug one? My faith is solid, strong and has been growing for the past 27 years. It could be turned around by stating that your faith is weak, but I won't lower myself to such condescending remarks. And, I have no intent in my heart to kill people. You still equate firearms, exclusevely to killing. And, the bold print I posted in the Rom 14:1-6 post, is the point I am trying to make. Read the whole thing again. Let it sink in a little.

http://www.christianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=133344#post133344

John

How does a gun save a life and thwart criminal activity without a shot being fired?

You're kidding me, right?

Diane Feinstein is a Senator from California, who avidly opposes people owning firearms, especially concealed weapons permits. Yet, she carries a .38 special in her purse. I guess her life is more important than yours or mine.

Rosie O'Donnell publically speaks out against people owning firearms for any reason. Yet, her bodyguards are armed to the teeth. I guess her life is more important than yours or mine.

I could go on, but I think you get the point.


John

>>I guess I'd be dead pretty quick.

Depends on how much faith you have. If you don't have living faith and you have a serious illness, then yes, you would be dead pretty quick.

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

In the church I attend there have been over a million healings, miracles and salvations. I just got home from a healing service where many received healing.

So, because I see God heal so many people and because I see so many miracles, it is easy for me to believe in what God can do. Thanks, JohnR7

>>Sometimes, what it comes down to is your life, a loved one's life

The Bible says that no weapon formed against me will prosper. So I have nothing to worry about. If you live Holy and Right before God, He will watch over you, to protect you. He will give His angles charge over you. But if you do not live right before God, then your on your own.

Isaiah 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper;

That does not mean we do not have problems, many are the afflictions of the righteous. But God deliever us out of all of them. He is our redeemer, our deliverer. In Him we are more than conquers, we have our victory and there is nothing we can not overcome with God's help. Thanks, JohnR7

>>I guess her life is more important than yours or mine.

She may think so. But God is no respector of persons. We all stand equal before Him. If He does something for one person, He will do it for another. He does not play personal favorites. He would not be Just if He gave one person an advantage that He did not give to others. Thanks, JohnR7

Originally posted by TheBear
Gun Control:

- Proper stance
- Proper grip
- Sight allignment
- Breath control
- Squeeze the trigger slowly
- follow through

Do not anticipate the shot. This causes the muzzel to go off target.



John

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Amen brother! Haha.

God Bless

So, because I see God heal so many people and because I see so many miracles, it is easy for me to believe in what God can do.

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So, I'm guessing that if you got into a serious car accident, and were criticaly injured, you would prefer the laying on of hands, rather than a Med-Evac to the nearest trauma center. Be honest, John. Is this how you think? Should the entire medical field just fold up tent and go home?


John

>>You don't "have a living faith" (see first quote from you in this post), right?

I am not quite sure what your talking about. But faith is one of the fruits of the Holy Spirit in us.

Galatians 5:22-23 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, [23] Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

If we walk in the Spirit and not the flesh, then God's faith will be at work in us.

"Positive thinking" or "possibility thinking" is not faith. Faith is a work of the Holy Spirit in us. Thanks, JohnR7

>>Should the entire medical field just fold up tent and go home?

You seem to think that there is a conflict of interest between the doctors and pastors. My dad retired from being a doctor after 50 years of practice. My pastor has been in the healing ministry for over 50 years. Both are up around 80 years of age.

They both help who they are able to help. Doctors help who they are able to help, the church helps who they are able to help. There is NO conflict between the two.

That takes me right back to my origional question to YOU. The Bible says that one third of the people are going to die by the sword, Jesus said, live by the sword, die by the sword. Also we are told one third of the people are going to die by pestilance. But one third will live:

Zech. 13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

Our only hope it so pass through the fire. If you have a gun that will kill those little bugs, then tell me where do I get one of those weapons? Can you shoot an aids virus at 100 yards and kill it dead? Yet we hear about a lot of people who are healed of aids.

If you put your hope in medicine, you will die by pestilence. If you put your hope in guns, then you will die by the gun. Those who live are those who have the fire of the Holy Spirit of God burning in them. They abide in the cloud of His presense.

Exodus 13:21-22
And the Lord went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them the way; and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light; to go by day and night: [22] He took not away the pillar of the cloud by day, nor the pillar of fire by night, from before the people.

>>So why do you eat?

I eat because I am hungry, why do you eat? If you eat, you will still die, but if you live righteous before God, then you will live forever.

Romans 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

>>So what you're saying is a "living faith" makes it so you don't need medicine?

No, what I am saying is that there is a difference between Medicine and drugs. Jesus is life and health and healing, I am all for health and healing. There are good doctors out there and good medicines. But there are also bad doctors and bad drugs out there.

Drug companys make their money not by healing, but by bringing people into bondage where they have to keep taking the drug year after year. They claim that they put a lot of money into research, but they put a lot more money into wineing and dineing the doctors to get them to write the perscriptions. You should see the drug booths set up at medical conventions and all the free give aways.

The best advice is free, the good doctors do not even charge. If you have a problem, just go on the internet and do a bit of research. You will be amazed at all the information there is on that condition. If you actually need a procedure done, find a nurse that works at the hospital, that works with the doctors and get their advise. They work with the doctors so they know the good ones and the bad ones. That maybe one reason why they get paid so good, so they do not turn the doctors in.

But most of all, pray, pray and pray somemore. Jesus is the Great Physician and when HE performs Masterful Surgery, there is no pain and very little recovery time. Many people would be healed if they would just use the faith God give them, to receive what He has for them. Thanks, JohnR7

>>Guns are tools used by police, military, hunters, sportsmen

Three out of four is not bad. A gun is a tool for the police, military and hunter, but for the so called "sportsman" it is a toy. As they say, the difference between man and boys, is the size of their toy.

God is the one who will get the last laugh though.

Proverbs 1:26-27
I also will laugh at your calamity;
I will mock when your terror comes,
[27] When your terror comes like a storm,
And your destruction comes like a whirlwind,
When distress and anguish come upon you.

As they say, laugh now, cry later. Cry now, rejoice later.

Luke 6:25 Woe unto you that laugh now! for ye shall mourn and weep.

Matthew 5:4a Blessed are they that mourn:

I would rather mourn for the innocent dead, who were killed by guns. But you can laugh if you want. I admit, I am tempted to laugh along with you. But I will choose to mourn. Thanks, JohnR7

Here is a sign you can print out and put in your front yard.

http://freedomnet.cnchost.com/tom/hgc/gunfree1.pdf

I LOVE it!

Thanks Stogus.

http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2002/4/26/124507

Tough Gun Laws Fail to Halt German Columbine

Germany has some of the toughest gun control laws in the world, but that didn't stop two gunmen Friday from opening fire in an Erfurt school, killing at least 18 and wounding countless others.

In an eerie echo of the U.S.'s own Columbine massacre three years ago, one Erfurt student told the Associated Press. "I heard shooting and thought it was a joke. But then I saw a teacher dead in the hallway in front of Room 209 and a gunman in black carrying a weapon."

How could this have happened in a country where private gun ownership has been virtually outlawed?

After the Columbine massacre, The Christian Science Monitor noted that Germans have long believed their gun laws would protect them from the same type of violence.

Bettina Schubert, a psychologist responsible for conflict prevention at Berlin's schools, told the Monitor that strict gun laws and a more egalitarian socioeconomic climate make violent crime less of a problem in Germany than in the US.

In Germany, there is no legal or historical tradition of citizens bearing arms, she insisted, explaining, "In German society, not everybody has a gun. In America anybody can."

One high school principle told the Monitor that "while firearms certainly exist in Germany, it usually requires a 'criminal energy' to get at them."

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