Originally posted by VOW
To all:
There has never been an argument that there is ONE sacrifice, and that salvation is available to all through that perfect sacrifice.
But again, the Catholic Church teaches salvation is a PROCESS.
Matthew 10:22
operative words: WILL BE saved
Matthew 24:13
operative words, again: WILL BE saved.
1 Corinthians 10:12
Who better than St Paul would know about salvation? Paul poured his heart out on the infant Church, traveling, evangelizing, spreading the Gospel, claiming to be a prisoner for Christ. Yet even Paul didn't hold himself up to OSAS.
1 Corinthians 4: 3-5
I have noticed that the OSAS camp of believers will say about a person who suffers a very obvious fall from grace, "Oh, he must not have been *really saved* to begin with." I think Paul here is saying otherwise.
The idea of salvation as a process is best explained by Paul in these words:
1 Corinthians 9: 26-27
Why would St Paul, of all people ever fear disqualification?
I'm not trying to convert anyone to another belief. I simply want everyone to think.
Peace be with you,
~VOW
If Salvation is a "process" not finished until you die, How do you explain these "verses"??
Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
1Jo 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, (have passed, (Past tense))
What many overlook is the fact that salvation is a Choice God also makes, along with us. It's called "GRACE".
God knows all the sins we'll commit during our life, he doesn't save today and tomorrow say , Opps, I didn't know you were going to sin again, I better take back your salvation.
Who among us "doesn't sin", if sin caused us to lose salvation, none could be saved.
To offend the law in one point makes you as guilty as offending in "all points". Sin is sin, there no "big/little" sin.
As long as we are "in the flesh", we'll sin, even Paul confessed to serving God with his mind but the law of sin with his body.
God doesn't save the flesh, but the soul, and his choice give us "eternal life" from that "moment" on, he "sealed" the soul against sin.
1Jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jo 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
The "Church" makes up the "Body of Christ" and "HE" (Jesus) keepeth himself, (His body).
1Co 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ,
Can a person/Nation "backslide" away from God, certainly, this is called "Spiritual fornication", "whoring after another/other gods.
Jg 2:17 but they went a whoring after other gods,
Suppose you're "chosen" (or saved) and commit "spiritual fornication", what happens??
1Co 5:1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you,
1Co 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
This is what happen to Israel when Jesus came, they refuse to accept him and tried to establish their own righteousness without him.
Ro 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
Israel committed Spiritual fornication in rejecting the Holy Ghost leadership. un-FAITH-ful.
This is why "Satan" (Antichrist) prevails over the Jews and is given dominion over the whole world, during the trib, their "Flesh" is literally turned over to satan for it's destruction, those saved will literally "drink of Jesus's cup".
(death for salvation)
Re 13:15 and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
Re 6:9 I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the "word of God", (Jesus is the "word of God", Joh 1:1)
WHY, because Jews are a "Chosen people" and once "Chosen" (called) you can "NEVER" be "Un chosen".
Ro 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they (Jews) are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. (you can't get "OUT")
Once saved, you come under the "Chastisment of God", and if necessary, he'll allow Satan to kill the flesh, but the soul is still saved, and he's no respector of persons.