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What about the verse in the OT (Gen 38:10) when Onan was killed by God because he spilled his seed? His sin was not that he lay with his brother's wife, since that was the custom if a man had died childless, but it was a grave sin that he spilled his seed, thereby preventing any possibility of a pregnancy.

Check out what the Bible says about children:
Psalms 127:4 (NAS)
Like arrows in the hand of a warrior, So are the children of one's youth.

Matthew 19:13-14 (Douay-Rhiems)
Then were little children presented to him, that he should impose hands upon them and pray. And the disciples rebuked them. But Jesus said to them: Suffer the little children, and forbid them not to come to me: for the kingdom of heaven is for such.

There are numerous other verses all attesting to the esteem in which children are held.
 
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When Catholics talk about the Sacrament of Marriage, it is not simply a Sacrament between two entities committing themselves to one another, but it is a Sacrament between three entities, God, husband and wife. At every stage, God is intimate and integral. Without any one of these three entities, a marriage does not exist.


Ps 139:13
For thou didst form my inward parts, thou didst knit me together in my mother's womb.


God gave a command to Adam and Eve, to be fruitful and multiply. Within the context of the Psalm verse above, one can see that God is integral at every step of Creation, because the making of a life is a creative process.

As Christians we believe that God will not give us a cross that we cannot bear. Therefore, to not trust God when it comes to a process that He Himself should have total control over (ie: Creation) is a sin. Do we not trust God to do what is best for us? Do we think that He would "burden" us with children that we cannot take care of? Can we actually consider children a "burden"?

Isa 44:2
Thus says the LORD who made you, who formed you from the womb and will help you: Fear not, O Jacob my servant, Jeshu'run whom I have chosen.


How would Jewish and Christian history been diverted if Isaiah's mother used artificial birth control?


Jer 1:5
"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations."


Same goes for Jeremiah...


Matt 1:23
"Behold, a virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and his name shall be called Emmanuel" (which means, God with us).


... and same goes for Jesus. If Mary could trust God to create life where life had never arisen before (ie: a virgin womb), surely we can trust God as well to handle His creations as He sees fit.
 
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I guess I should elaborate since I do work in this area: In my opinion Birth control is not the same as a abortion . Abortion is the deliberate act of ENDING a pregnancy. Birth control is the deliberate act of PREVENTING pregnancy.

To make the idea of taking birth-control easier for all of you to understand I will put it in plain terms. Combined Birth control pills (ones with estrogen and progestrogen) works by ensuring constant levels of progestrone and estrogen in the body. The hypothalamus is "tricked" into behaving as if ovulation has already occurred, so that the level of LH (luetinizing hormone) from the pituitary never rises high enough to cause ovulation.

As many of you already know the optimal time for a woman to conceive is when she is ovulating, so if a woman has already ovulated, she starts a new cycle and thus is not able to conceive.

Progesteron-only pills thicken the cervical mucus to prevent sperm from entering the uterus, it may inhibit ovulation in some women, and it interferes with sperm transport in the Fallopian tubes.

Cervical mucus helps sperm travel in order to travel into the body to fertilized, when it is thicker than needed it doesn't allow sperm to travel into the uterus. If sperm does not reach an egg at all there is no concepetion. A sperm MUST penetrate and egg for conception to occur. A sperm alone is just that..a sperm and an egg alone is just that..an egg.

If fertilization never occurs then there is NO conception, so birth control pills are not the same as abortion. I have extensive knowledge of abortion procedures and it's side effects, and birth control and it's side effects because I do work as a Counselor at a Crisis Pregnancy Center and this area was part of my education to work there. I have a college degree in Sociology.
 
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To Missy:

You are right, birth control is not the same as abortion.

However, BOTH are artificial interference with conception.

Birth control pills do have an effect on the woman's body, sometimes a disastrous one. You are tinkering with her entire endocrine system, and some woman have a difficult time trying to conceive, after taking The Pill for years.

I was a very vocal advocate for birth control for a long, long time. I practiced it myself. God in His infinite wisdom finally got through my brain the message, though, and I read exactly WHY the Catholic Church disagrees with contraception. All I can say is, wow. It's not a case where a male-dominated hierarchy wishes to assert control over women's bodies, or any of the other anti-Catholic viewpoints on the Church's teachings.

Basically, it has to do with that stubborn human nature again. When you separate sex from its original intention, the continuation of the human race, you allow it to become a plaything. The further sex is distanced from procreation and closer to recreation, the more you allow corruption, greed, exploitation, dominance, degradation, and a host of other nasties into the picture.

You are not required to accept this explanation. But for me, it made an incredible amount of sense.


Peace be with you,
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The above post isn't mean to be directed at anyone. It is a just a copy and paste from another thread that asked about this same topic. I just copied and pasted what I said on that thread here..

SO if it sounds like..um what is she talking about? I just am giving information and my opinion..that's all.

Thanks
 
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Originally posted by VOW
To Missy:

You are right, birth control is not the same as abortion.
However, BOTH are artificial interference with conception.
Birth control pills do have an effect on the woman's body, sometimes a disastrous one. You are tinkering with her entire endocrine system, and some woman have a difficult time trying to conceive, after taking The Pill for years.
I was a very vocal advocate for birth control for a long, long time. I practiced it myself. God in His infinite wisdom finally got through my brain the message, though, and I read exactly WHY the Catholic Church disagrees with contraception. All I can say is, wow. It's not a case where a male-dominated hierarchy wishes to assert control over women's bodies, or any of the other anti-Catholic viewpoints on the Church's teachings.
Basically, it has to do with that stubborn human nature again. When you separate sex from its original intention, the continuation of the human race, you allow it to become a plaything. The further sex is distanced from procreation and closer to recreation, the more you allow corruption, greed, exploitation, dominance, degradation, and a host of other nasties into the picture.
You are not required to accept this explanation. But for me, it made an incredible amount of sense.
Peace be with you,
~VOW

I understand where you are coming from Vow, I just disagree but I appreciate your opinions and respect them. I DO NOT believe that abortion is the artificial interference with conception. To me, abortion is the intentional act of ending a pregnacy, it doesn't interfere with conception because there already is a life. Abortion is the ending of a conception and in some cases the ending of a fully formed baby's life. All the methods of abortion such as menstrual extraction, vaccum aspiration, dilation and curettage, dilation and evacuation, and saline, prostaglandis, and D&X (called partial birth by pro-lifers), and Hysterotomy are ways to end pregnancies. They (abortions) do not inhibit pregnancy because to have an abortion a pregnancy must have had to have already occured.
 
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Originally posted by MissytheButterfly
In my opinion Birth control is not the same as a abortion . Abortion is the deliberate act of ENDING a pregnancy. Birth control is the deliberate act of PREVENTING pregnancy.

Birth control can act in three ways:

1. inhibition of ovulation
2. inhibition of sperm transport
3. production of a ‘hostile endometrium’, which presumably prevents or disrupts implantation of the developing baby if the first two mechanisms fail.

The third route is medically termed "abortion".

Read the following link for an article written by an obstetrician/gynecologist who admits as much.

http://www.epm.org/26doctor.html
 
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You are right, birth control is not the same as abortion.

However, BOTH are artificial interference with conception.
Hey, wouldn't that make abstinence a huge interference with conception?

My question is this: are there types of birth control available that there is no chance that they will interfere after conception? This is very important, for that is the beginning of life. How do you know which ones will potentially cause an abortion (interfere after conception)?
 
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Humanae Vitae 14-17

Unlawful Birth Control Methods

14. Therefore We base Our words on the first principles of a human and Christian doctrine of marriage when We are obliged once more to declare that the direct interruption of the generative process already begun and, above all, all direct abortion, even for therapeutic reasons, are to be absolutely excluded as lawful means of regulating the number of children. (14) Equally to be condemned, as the magisterium of the Church has affirmed on many occasions, is direct sterilization, whether of the man or of the woman, whether permanent or temporary. (15)

Similarly excluded is any action which either before, at the moment of, or after sexual intercourse, is specifically intended to prevent procreation—whether as an end or as a means. (16)

Neither is it valid to argue, as a justification for sexual intercourse which is deliberately contraceptive, that a lesser evil is to be preferred to a greater one, or that such intercourse would merge with procreative acts of past and future to form a single entity, and so be qualified by exactly the same moral goodness as these. Though it is true that sometimes it is lawful to tolerate a lesser moral evil in order to avoid a greater evil or in order to promote a greater good," it is never lawful, even for the gravest reasons, to do evil that good may come of it (18)—in other words, to intend directly something which of its very nature contradicts the moral order, and which must therefore be judged unworthy of man, even though the intention is to protect or promote the welfare of an individual, of a family or of society in general. Consequently, it is a serious error to think that a whole married life of otherwise normal relations can justify sexual intercourse which is deliberately contraceptive and so intrinsically wrong.


Lawful Therapeutic Means

15. On the other hand, the Church does not consider at all illicit the use of those therapeutic means necessary to cure bodily diseases, even if a foreseeable impediment to procreation should result therefrom—provided such impediment is not directly intended for any motive whatsoever. (19)


Recourse to Infertile Periods

16. Now as We noted earlier (no. 3), some people today raise the objection against this particular doctrine of the Church concerning the moral laws governing marriage, that human intelligence has both the right and responsibility to control those forces of irrational nature which come within its ambit and to direct them toward ends beneficial to man. Others ask on the same point whether it is not reasonable in so many cases to use artificial birth control if by so doing the harmony and peace of a family are better served and more suitable conditions are provided for the education of children already born. To this question We must give a clear reply. The Church is the first to praise and commend the application of human intelligence to an activity in which a rational creature such as man is so closely associated with his Creator. But she affirms that this must be done within the limits of the order of reality established by God.

If therefore there are well-grounded reasons for spacing births, arising from the physical or psychological condition of husband or wife, or from external circumstances, the Church teaches that married people may then take advantage of the natural cycles immanent in the reproductive system and engage in marital intercourse only during those times that are infertile, thus controlling birth in a way which does not in the least offend the moral principles which We have just explained. (20)

Neither the Church nor her doctrine is inconsistent when she considers it lawful for married people to take advantage of the infertile period but condemns as always unlawful the use of means which directly prevent conception, even when the reasons given for the later practice may appear to be upright and serious. In reality, these two cases are completely different. In the former the married couple rightly use a faculty provided them by nature. In the latter they obstruct the natural development of the generative process. It cannot be denied that in each case the married couple, for acceptable reasons, are both perfectly clear in their intention to avoid children and wish to make sure that none will result. But it is equally true that it is exclusively in the former case that husband and wife are ready to abstain from intercourse during the fertile period as often as for reasonable motives the birth of another child is not desirable. And when the infertile period recurs, they use their married intimacy to express their mutual love and safeguard their fidelity toward one another. In doing this they certainly give proof of a true and authentic love.


Consequences of Artificial Methods

17. Responsible men can become more deeply convinced of the truth of the doctrine laid down by the Church on this issue if they reflect on the consequences of methods and plans for artificial birth control. Let them first consider how easily this course of action could open wide the way for marital infidelity and a general lowering of moral standards. Not much experience is needed to be fully aware of human weakness and to understand that human beings—and especially the young, who are so exposed to temptation—need incentives to keep the moral law, and it is an evil thing to make it easy for them to break that law. Another effect that gives cause for alarm is that a man who grows accustomed to the use of contraceptive methods may forget the reverence due to a woman, and, disregarding her physical and emotional equilibrium, reduce her to being a mere instrument for the satisfaction of his own desires, no longer considering her as his partner whom he should surround with care and affection.

Finally, careful consideration should be given to the danger of this power passing into the hands of those public authorities who care little for the precepts of the moral law. Who will blame a government which in its attempt to resolve the problems affecting an entire country resorts to the same measures as are regarded as lawful by married people in the solution of a particular family difficulty? Who will prevent public authorities from favoring those contraceptive methods which they consider more effective? Should they regard this as necessary, they may even impose their use on everyone. It could well happen, therefore, that when people, either individually or in family or social life, experience the inherent difficulties of the divine law and are determined to avoid them, they may give into the hands of public authorities the power to intervene in the most personal and intimate responsibility of husband and wife.

Pax Vobiscum
 
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Missy, thank you - I was wondering, if it's not too much trouble, I would love to have you visit us at WarmHearts and post what you wrote here there - that way if anyone has any questions to ask you then you would be able to answer them :)

I posted the link at the beginning of this thread - WarmHearts is a great place for women of all denominations to fellowship :)
 
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