Angels have Wings ?

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Yes, they have wings. Ezekiel 1- 8 The hands of a man were under their wings on their four sides; and each of the four had faces and wings. 9 Their wings touched one another. The creatures did not turn when they went, but each one went straight forward.
 
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it goes along the same lines as, there are no women angels, or angels that are women. When it speaks of wings in the Bible it reffers mainly (to what I can pull from my memory) as a covering. There cover the Ark, ect... Angels are Spirits, you gotta remember that, an angel spoke through Balaam's donkey...
 
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Svt4Him said:
Yes, they have wings. Ezekiel 1- 8 The hands of a man were under their wings on their four sides; and each of the four had faces and wings. 9 Their wings touched one another. The creatures did not turn when they went, but each one went straight forward.
There is nothing in that verse to imply that angels are being described there, or any other creature for that matter.
In fact I would say that this verse is describing nothing but an anthropomorphism and is not meant to be taken literally.
 
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There is nothing in that verse to imply that angels are being described there, or any other creature for that matter.
In fact I would say that this verse is describing nothing but an anthropomorphism and is not meant to be taken literally.
Well, I have to disagree, as they are clearly describing creatures, not God. Why they would not be literal creatures, in the context of what is being described is beyond me. Not only that, but they clearly describe the characteristics of the creatures, so there is nothing to imply that they are implying anything human to a creature with four heads, or a wheel within a wheel.

And just because they are spirits means what? Can a spirit have a form with no mass? Why did Thomas have to touch Jesus in order to know it was a body? Perhaps the spirit can look like what we thing a body looks like. That would explain why they thought it was Peter's spirit when he was out of prison, and knocking on the door.
 
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Spirits can have forms without mass. Angels are spirits, yet throughout the Scripture they appear in the form of a man.

Jesus has a human body. That is why people say, "God in the flesh." Was Thomas not the only unbeliever in terms of Jesus being alive? So when Jesus appeared to them he had to touch and see the scars. He realized then, IIRC, that believing is seeing.

If the answer to "Can a spirit have a form with no mass?" is no, then scientists should be able to study spirits then, am I right?
 
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I think it's probably important to note that in MOST occurences of the messengers in the scriptures, they were simply men. They appeared to men as men. To Abraham they appeared as men, and to the women who entered the empty tomb they (or he, depending on which gospel) appeared as young men, clothed in shining garments. In Revelation we see messenger(s) flying, but no mention of wings. The best conclusion to arrive at is that the messengers of God are not men, neither are they men with wings. Rather, they appear to us as men to bring us understanding, rather than confusion. Frankly, a man with wings is a creature that will not fly--man walks on land. He does not have the muscles nor the skeletal design to fly the way a bird does. Messengers appear to us in parables, to help us. What we do see of them is not literal, although the scriptures do not mention this traditional view of men with wings in the first place.
 
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Svt4Him said:
Well, I have to disagree, as they are clearly describing creatures, not God. Why they would not be literal creatures, in the context of what is being described is beyond me. Not only that, but they clearly describe the characteristics of the creatures, so there is nothing to imply that they are implying anything human to a creature with four heads, or a wheel within a wheel.
My mistake, I was speaking before reading the text. ;)
Yes, I believe those are Cheribum being described in Ezekiel chapter 1.

Why did Thomas have to touch Jesus in order to know it was a body?
Because he could not believe He was risen.

Perhaps the spirit can look like what we thing a body looks like. That would explain why they thought it was Peter's spirit when he was out of prison, and knocking on the door
God can make a spirit visible to us but I do not believe that is how they are in essense. In that same chapter you spoke of with Thomas in the inner room in Luke 24, Jesus said: "Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.”
The term flesh and bones He was using there is telling us that spirits do not have form, they do not have extension in space if you will.
 
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