Originally posted by davo
It seems pretty clear this speaks to the "present life" of the saints -NOT future resurrection:
Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, [present tense] He who raised Christ from the dead will also [speaks of assurance] give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
LOL how does that change anything?. "will" would be future tense and the "assurance" givin is the life of the mortal body, the word "also" wouild link this raising to life to Christs own resurection. which we know to be physical.
in other words, it still means what it simply says. this still has the preterist contradicting themselves because GW is saying the mortal body dies and ANOTHER body is givin in it's place, in direct oposition to the bible saying life will be givin to the MORTAL body, that will be raised from the dead and made glorified.
Originally posted by davo
1 Thess 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then [the Greek actually means "afterwards" or, "later on"] we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
It is EXACTLY the same word as found in the following:
1 Cor 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
it never fails preterists give one(or a partial) definition from the Strong's and say "see it means this"
well i have a Strong's too and "then" as used in 1 thess 4:17 is the Greek word "Epeita"(strong's #1899)
here is what the Strong's actually says...and i quote:
thereupon , thereafter, then , afterwards
it does NOT say "later on" as some unspecified time AFTER his coming,the meeting him in the air" is significant of DURING his coming and the wording of 1 cor 15:23 confirms this
1 Cor 15:23
But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits ; THENthey that are Christ's AT his coming.
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