SIGNS IN THE HEAVENS AND EARTH?

Deamiter · Nov 17, 2003

By His Grace said:
That was just over two years ago. I read that on a site. So what is your point? The one in 2001 was "the largest" ever recorded. The site that I read when this all first started, the scientists said that they were very concerned about what is going on with the sun. They stated that solar flares are not uncommon, but they have never seen anything quite like this before.

The reason they've never seen anything like this before is that this was the first 11 year cycle that we've had the technology in space to really study the cycle. Also, we're nearing the peak of a (albeit hypothetical, but supported) 100 some year cycle if I remember correctly.

Look, there are natural disasters all over the world every year, some years more than others. When I see disasters worse than the bubonic plague where a full third of a civilization (now the whole world) is wiped out then I MIGHT get worried. Until then, I'll continue to live as instructed in the Bible, as if Jesus is coming back soon with the caveat that we will never be able to predict his coming.

His Grace - I understand your concern, but doesn't it bother you that people have not only predicted but honestly BELIEVED that Jesus will come back soon (as in within 10 years) for the last 2000 years? They have ALL backed up their claims with biblical data, and they have all pointed to the same sets of repetative events as worse than before. What is happening now will always seem worse than before because you didn't live through the before. However, as a physics student at a very conservative university, I hear this topic discussed often by professors who are willing to consider that Jesus MAY be coming soon.

How can we possibly convince you if you consider yourself to be more qualified than Christian professors (many of whom are very conservative young earth creationists) who have studied this topic (astrophysics) for 50 or more years?

BonoMan · Nov 17, 2003

People have been saying the end is nigh for the last 2000 years, Nothing has changed!!! I think its because people want to feel important or that they are part of something big, so they try and make Biblical passages line up with their times any way possible. I once heard it refered to as Chronocentric thinking (If memory serves me.

No one knows the time or hour!

Big Mouth Nana · Nov 17, 2003

Deamiter said:
The reason they've never seen anything like this before is that this was the first 11 year cycle that we've had the technology in space to really study the cycle. Also, we're nearing the peak of a (albeit hypothetical, but supported) 100 some year cycle if I remember correctly.

Look, there are natural disasters all over the world every year, some years more than others. When I see disasters worse than the bubonic plague where a full third of a civilization (now the whole world) is wiped out then I MIGHT get worried. Until then, I'll continue to live as instructed in the Bible, as if Jesus is coming back soon with the caveat that we will never be able to predict his coming.

His Grace - I understand your concern, but doesn't it bother you that people have not only predicted but honestly BELIEVED that Jesus will come back soon (as in within 10 years) for the last 2000 years? They have ALL backed up their claims with biblical data, and they have all pointed to the same sets of repetative events as worse than before. What is happening now will always seem worse than before because you didn't live through the before. However, as a physics student at a very conservative university, I hear this topic discussed often by professors who are willing to consider that Jesus MAY be coming soon.

How can we possibly convince you if you consider yourself to be more qualified than Christian professors (many of whom are very conservative young earth creationists) who have studied this topic (astrophysics) for 50 or more years?

How can we possibly convince you if you consider yourself to be more qualified than Christian professors (many of whom are very conservative young earth creationists) who have studied this topic (astrophysics) for 50 or more years?

No one can convince me that we aren't in the end times. I am not saying that I am more qualified. This is a ludicrous statement to make. I have been sensing in my Spirit a change that is going on, like atmospheric for over 5 months now. I'm sure that people will think that I am a nut-case, or think that I think that I am prophetic. This is not true as far as I know. Something is just not right, and I'm sensing something on the horizon that is coming, that is not going to be pleasant for any of us. Okay, start the laughter now, or call me a false prophet, a mental defect, I don't really care. I just know what I am feeling, and it isn't good.

Big Mouth Nana · Nov 17, 2003

BonoMan said:
People have been saying the end is nigh for the last 2000 years, Nothing has changed!!! I think its because people want to feel important or that they are part of something big, so they try and make Biblical passages line up with their times any way possible. I once heard it refered to as Chronocentric thinking (If memory serves me.

No one knows the time or hour!

You sure think alot for someone that doesn't know me from Adam

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You fit right into this scripture. 2nd Peter 3: 4 And saying, Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

armothe · Nov 17, 2003

By His Grace said:
No one can convince me that we aren't in the end times. I am not saying that I am more qualified. This is a ludicrous statement to make. I have been sensing in my Spirit a change that is going on, like atmospheric for over 5 months now. I'm sure that people will think that I am a nut-case, or think that I think that I am prophetic. This is not true as far as I know. Something is just not right, and I'm sensing something on the horizon that is coming, that is not going to be pleasant for any of us. Okay, start the laughter now, or call me a false prophet, a mental defect, I don't really care. I just know what I am feeling, and it isn't good.

Yeah. I ate at the Chi-Chi's in Pennsylvania a month ago too.
\current events

Seriously though, what do you think is going to happen? What is the time frame?

-A

Big Mouth Nana · Nov 17, 2003

armothe said:
Yeah. I ate at the Chi-Chi's in Pennsylvania a month ago too.
\current events

Seriously though, what do you think is going to happen? What is the time frame?

-A

Hope you enjoyed your meal,

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If I knew what was going to happen, I would be God. I haven't a clue at this point, but does "sheep & goats" ring a bell? I keep hearing this along with the sensing of something going to take place. As far as time frame, I am still not on the Throne, but something is fixing to happen in the near future. (AND AN UPROAREOUS LAUGH WAS GIVEN BY ALL :pray:

) Enjoy the laughter!!!!!
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Brain Damage · Nov 17, 2003

BonoMan said:
People have been saying the end is nigh for the last 2000 years, Nothing has changed!!!

Ahh but things "have" changed , polution , ozone depletion , melting polar ice , etc , etc , are things that people in the past have not had to concern themselves with .

Big Mouth Nana · Nov 17, 2003

Here is a picture of the solar flares coming around to the earthside of the sun. http://www.sec.noaa.gov/sxi/current_sxi_4MKcorona.png

This site said..."a hint of things to come". Gee, I wonder what they meant by that :scratch:

? It's down mid-page. http://www.sunspotcycle.com/

Big Mouth Nana · Nov 17, 2003

Brain Damage said:
Ahh but things "have" changed , polution , ozone depletion , melting polar ice , etc , etc , are things that people in the past have not had to concern themselves with .

Well, your username says brain damage, rofl, but your smarter then alot of people. Yes, things are not the same, and HAVE changed. There will always be scoffers, and those that mock end times, but God does not lie does He? He gave us signs to watch, and I am not going to "dance over" anything out of the normal, even though some are saying this is normal. My Spirit screams...NO!!! Blessings To You.

Palatka44 · Nov 17, 2003

By His Grace said:
Well, your username says brain damage, rofl, but your smarter then alot of people. Yes, things are not the same, and HAVE changed. There will always be scoffers, and those that mock end times, but God does not lie does He? He gave us signs to watch, and I am not going to "dance over" anything out of the normal, even though some are saying this is normal. My Spirit screams...NO!!! Blessings To You.

A book that is quite an interesting read. The AntiChrist and a Cup of Tea by Tim Cohen. It will blow you away!

Big Mouth Nana · Nov 17, 2003

Palatka44 said:
A book that is quite an interesting read. The AntiChrist and a Cup of Tea by Tim Cohen. It will blow you away!

That sounds like an interesting title. Can you give me a hint, so I can decide if I want to go out and buy it?

Palatka44 · Nov 17, 2003

By His Grace said:
That sounds like an interesting title. Can you give me a hint, so I can decide if I want to go out and buy it?

It's about how the British Royality are setting up Prince Charles to be the "King of Europe" and how current events are being manipulated to set him up.

Brain Damage · Nov 17, 2003

By His Grace said:
Well, your username says brain damage, rofl, but your smarter then alot of people. Yes, things are not the same, and HAVE changed. There will always be scoffers, and those that mock end times, but God does not lie does He? He gave us signs to watch, and I am not going to "dance over" anything out of the normal, even though some are saying this is normal. My Spirit screams...NO!!! Blessings To You.

About two years ago , the Australian 60 minutes program did a segment on the effect of rising sea levels on beach front properties here in Australia.

There was one house where the sea was almost up to front door .

Also I am now living in the same town that I grew up in as a kid , and local beaches are only half of what they used to be , I'm including high tide of course.

There is no dought in my mind that sea levels are rising due to melting polar ice .

And when you think about it , most of the heavily populated areas in our countries are near the sea , or at least they are in Australia.

Hmmm...

Chi_Cygni · Nov 17, 2003

Brain Damage,

The sea level has been increasing about 3mm per year over the last two decades. This is next to negligible.

This has been caused by thermal expansion due to rise in worldwide ocean temperatures.

Glacial melting is approx. 1mm per year but changes in salinity and atmospheric uptake reduces the ocean by 1mm per year.

Many other effects (primarily erosion) can be responsible for local geographical change.

The rising of sea level isn't responsible for your observed changes in Australia.

Regards

Hitch · Nov 17, 2003

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Brain Damage · Nov 17, 2003

Chi_Cygni said:
Many other effects (primarily erosion) can be responsible for local geographical change

No , not in this case , everything is in the same possition including the beach huts.

Chi_Cygni said:
The rising of sea level isn't responsible for your observed changes in Australia

I think you might be wrong.
http://www.marine.csiro.au/LeafletsFolder/45slevel/45.html

BonoMan · Nov 18, 2003

Brain Damage said:
Ahh but things "have" changed , polution , ozone depletion , melting polar ice , etc , etc , are things that people in the past have not had to concern themselves with .

O.K so maybe things have changed but it seems every generation thinks they are in end times. The only reason why I think we could be near end times is the increase in knowledge and travel mentioned in Daniel 12.4 and Rev 119For three and a half days they'll be there--exposed, prevented from getting a decent burial, stared at by the curious from all over the world.

But there are also millions of believers in the world. In Noahs time there were only what 8 people? I have also noticed a lot of lawlessness andwickedness has increased over the last 50 years but I often wonder to myself it must of been worse when everyone was claiming the end is nigh generations ago? I dont want to be one of them.

Pericles · Nov 18, 2003

BonoMan said:
O.K so maybe things have changed but it seems every generation thinks they are in end times. The only reason why I think we could be near end times is the increase in knowledge and travel mentioned in Daniel 12.4 and Rev 119For three and a half days they'll be there--exposed, prevented from getting a decent burial, stared at by the curious from all over the world.

Knowledge and travel increased just as much during the Roman empire.

BonoMan said:
But there are also millions of believers in the world. In Noahs time there were only what 8 people? I have also noticed a lot of lawlessness andwickedness has increased over the last 50 years but I often wonder to myself it must of been worse when everyone was claiming the end is nigh generations ago? I dont want to be one of them.

You are way off...considering population ratios crime is WAY down compared to even a few hundred years ago. Every single thing concerning human culture and society is actually BETTER. There is less poverty, less violence and less crime. You just need to take your CNN glasses off and stop watching news reports that focus only on negative reporting.

JesusServant · Nov 18, 2003

Pericles said:
Every single thing concerning human culture and society is actually BETTER.

Easy for you to say. You live in the most blessed and overfed nation in the world. Of course society seems better to you. Go live in Iraq, Israel, South Africa, China or the like.

There is less poverty, less violence and less crime.

Yeah right.

You just need to take your CNN glasses off and stop watching news reports that focus only on negative reporting.

Ah, now I see. Blinders to what is going on in the world.

Yeah, the world is fantastic. It's a paradise. From the American (non-soldier) perspective anyway.

Pericles · Nov 18, 2003

JesusServant said:
Easy for you to say. You live in the most blessed and overfed nation in the world. Of course society seems better to you. Go live in Iraq, Israel, South Africa, China or the like.

I would almost say "shame on you" for this post! You know nothing about who I am... You are giving this advice to the wrong guy. I spent most of my life under a tyrannical communist regime, attending an underground church and fearing for our lives on a daily basis. It was wonderful and I wouldn't trade it for anything! No, we weren't fed to lions, we didn't face execution squads, and were not shipped to camps in Siberia. We were much better off than Christians living many years ago, and we appreciated that fact!

You must be a sad man to only be able to see with your flesh eyes and be blind to the reality of God's presence. The only way to appreciate God and his power is in time of need and distress. Why exactly would you need God if there would be no suffering and no pain?

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