Hi Jim:
You said > "This leaves only one reason why Paul would quote Deuteronomy 30:11-14 in Romans 10:6-8: He quotes it to apply the principle described in Deuteronomy 30:11-14 to the righteousness which is of faith in Romans 10:6-8. Thus, Romans 10:6-7 expresses the principle that to possess the righteousness which is of faith is to NOT look for someone else to do what Christ has already done. To look for someone else to do these things is to reject what Christ has already done, thus in a sense to undo His ascension and descent, or to bring Christ down from above and to bring up Christ again from the dead.
There are times that I don't think you think through what you are saying !
You just said, that the way to posses the righteousness which is of faith, is to not look for somone else to these things, is to reject what Christ has already done"
I understand what your trying to say, but the manner in which you say it is contradictory.
You are saying to look towards Christ , and not another, for what Christ has already done. But your interjections are what become contradictory.
The righteousness of faith is not received by "not" looking elsewhere for what Christ has accomplished !
The righteousness of faith is received, by "believing" , which is "faith".
You have a correction before any explanation about faith. In fact, you have to go to another verse after verses 6 & 7 to explain yourself as to what faith is.
Romans 10:6 tells us "what" the righteousness of faith "is". Paul says in verse 8 that what he preaches "is" faith. He just got done teaching what faith "is" in verses 6 & 7.
A person is walking in the righeousness of faith, on this wise --> Say not in thine heart who ascends or who decends.
Verse 6 tells us this --- "Speaketh on this wise" --- Then you must ask yourself , what did he speak ? He is explaining , by preaching, the Word of faith.
The word of faith is "not" to look elsewhere ! That does not teach the Gentiles what to look for ! But Paul "teaches" them to not say in their hearts who ascends or who descends. By not saying in one's heart, then one is walking in the righteousness of faith !
You want to continue to twist what these verses are actually saying ! These two verses then would also be saying, that if you do say in your hearts , who ascends or who descends , that you would not be walking in the righteousness of faith ! But Paul does use the word "not" in his explanation ! He uses the words "say not" to ephasis what one should do , by not considering these thoughts !
You are a good one to tell me that the word "wise" does not mean "wisdom". When you are the one that claims, that the Greek word "hades" means hell, which then means the bottomless pit.
The greek word for this word "wise" is - "houto" - which means "accordingly". Or - "in like manner". This means, according to the manner in which the explanation has been given. It is "wisdom" to receive this account in the manner in which it has been given ! "On this wise" explains the wisdom of the words ! I did not say that the word "wise" was the word wisdom ! I put a parenthises around the word "wisdom" to expess my thoughts about the wisdom of these words .
Your words are not words of wisdom, because of how they twist everything backwards from their original intent, and do nothing more than cause confusion !
You said > "
Those who are saved have the righteousness which is of faith, whereas those who are NOT saved do NOT have the righteousness which is of faith. Therefore, what is described in 10:6-7 is associated with those who are NOT saved, whereas what is described in 10:8-9 is associated with those who are saved.
All I can say, is wrong again Jim ! Verses 6 & 7 & 8 show us "what" righteousness of faith "is" -- a way in which to apply "believing", which would be -- the righteousnes of faith ! Verses 9 & 10 tells them "how" to get saved.
I said - then you said >
Hervey:
You Jim, are explaining what righteous wisdom - "is not" - thus declaring anyone who does this, is an unbeliever, and not saved.
Jim:
No. Romans 10:6-7 describes what the righteousness which is of faith is NOT (Say NOT ). Those who say in their hearts the things that the righteousness which is of faith tells us NOT to say, which things are described in 10:6-7, are NOT saved.
Jim, you just contradicted yourself here !
Again - Even though it says - "Say not" it is telling them what to "do" , and the righteousness of faith is on "this wise" !
Love IN Christ - HErvey
You said > "This leaves only one reason why Paul would quote Deuteronomy 30:11-14 in Romans 10:6-8: He quotes it to apply the principle described in Deuteronomy 30:11-14 to the righteousness which is of faith in Romans 10:6-8. Thus, Romans 10:6-7 expresses the principle that to possess the righteousness which is of faith is to NOT look for someone else to do what Christ has already done. To look for someone else to do these things is to reject what Christ has already done, thus in a sense to undo His ascension and descent, or to bring Christ down from above and to bring up Christ again from the dead.
There are times that I don't think you think through what you are saying !
You just said, that the way to posses the righteousness which is of faith, is to not look for somone else to these things, is to reject what Christ has already done"
I understand what your trying to say, but the manner in which you say it is contradictory.
You are saying to look towards Christ , and not another, for what Christ has already done. But your interjections are what become contradictory.
The righteousness of faith is not received by "not" looking elsewhere for what Christ has accomplished !
The righteousness of faith is received, by "believing" , which is "faith".
You have a correction before any explanation about faith. In fact, you have to go to another verse after verses 6 & 7 to explain yourself as to what faith is.
Romans 10:6 tells us "what" the righteousness of faith "is". Paul says in verse 8 that what he preaches "is" faith. He just got done teaching what faith "is" in verses 6 & 7.
A person is walking in the righeousness of faith, on this wise --> Say not in thine heart who ascends or who decends.
Verse 6 tells us this --- "Speaketh on this wise" --- Then you must ask yourself , what did he speak ? He is explaining , by preaching, the Word of faith.
The word of faith is "not" to look elsewhere ! That does not teach the Gentiles what to look for ! But Paul "teaches" them to not say in their hearts who ascends or who descends. By not saying in one's heart, then one is walking in the righteousness of faith !
You want to continue to twist what these verses are actually saying ! These two verses then would also be saying, that if you do say in your hearts , who ascends or who descends , that you would not be walking in the righteousness of faith ! But Paul does use the word "not" in his explanation ! He uses the words "say not" to ephasis what one should do , by not considering these thoughts !
You are a good one to tell me that the word "wise" does not mean "wisdom". When you are the one that claims, that the Greek word "hades" means hell, which then means the bottomless pit.
The greek word for this word "wise" is - "houto" - which means "accordingly". Or - "in like manner". This means, according to the manner in which the explanation has been given. It is "wisdom" to receive this account in the manner in which it has been given ! "On this wise" explains the wisdom of the words ! I did not say that the word "wise" was the word wisdom ! I put a parenthises around the word "wisdom" to expess my thoughts about the wisdom of these words .
Your words are not words of wisdom, because of how they twist everything backwards from their original intent, and do nothing more than cause confusion !
You said > "
Those who are saved have the righteousness which is of faith, whereas those who are NOT saved do NOT have the righteousness which is of faith. Therefore, what is described in 10:6-7 is associated with those who are NOT saved, whereas what is described in 10:8-9 is associated with those who are saved.
All I can say, is wrong again Jim ! Verses 6 & 7 & 8 show us "what" righteousness of faith "is" -- a way in which to apply "believing", which would be -- the righteousnes of faith ! Verses 9 & 10 tells them "how" to get saved.
I said - then you said >
Hervey:
You Jim, are explaining what righteous wisdom - "is not" - thus declaring anyone who does this, is an unbeliever, and not saved.
Jim:
No. Romans 10:6-7 describes what the righteousness which is of faith is NOT (Say NOT ). Those who say in their hearts the things that the righteousness which is of faith tells us NOT to say, which things are described in 10:6-7, are NOT saved.
Jim, you just contradicted yourself here !
Again - Even though it says - "Say not" it is telling them what to "do" , and the righteousness of faith is on "this wise" !
Love IN Christ - HErvey
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