By this argument you say that the constitution should never be amended. But the founders provided a method to amend it. So your argument falls flat.Higgaion said:
You disagree with all of supreme court case law on the subject. But the fact that it is an established consitutional fact still stands.Higgaion said:
I see. Everyone who disagrees with Higgaion should just shut up.Higgaion said:
By the way, I never made this claim (to be an expert or scholar), but I find your implicit faith and trust in these peoples' ability to be unwarranted. I don't even know what you think makes someone an "expert", but just because someone studied a certain subject in college and makes a living practicing or teaching it now, doesn't necessarily mean they know what they're talking about or that they don't err. And it doesn't mean the rest of us are drooling simpletons that aren't capable of study and researching things on our own and sometimes having something valuable to say. Don't be such an elitist.Havoc said:
Not at all. Originally the Bill of Rights was there to limit the central gov't and keep it from usurping too much power. It didn't apply to the states, who could pretty much pass any law or do whatever else they wanted.crazyfingers said:
Don't leave out dissenting opinions. And it's not a fact that stands. It's still an interpretation, and a bad one at that, despite havoc's vaunted "experts". The reason it is case law now is because too many boneheads were so dim they couldn't reach the right conclusions, or more likely they were smart people who realized that the Constitution was at utter variance with what they wished it to mean, so they just re-wrote it from the bench. And who's going to stop them?crazyfingers said:
No, I never said thatJust An Atheist said:
To many people lots of things are blatantly obvious that they're in fact wrong about. My view in your opinion is faulty. That's fine. You're wrong. I've given evidence for my view. All you liberals can do is bluster and make appeals to authority. Well sorry, your people may be in power and tell us night is day till the cows come home, but there is still objective truth and y'all ain't peddlin' it.
So later the states ratafied an amendment that would require that states also respect human rights. I don't see what you issue is. Would you argue that states should continue to allow slavery? Do you think that states should he allowed to restrict religious freedom? I don't.Higgaion said:
So do you think that states should be allowed to impose state religions on people or throw people in jail for not having a religion?Higgaion said:
No one said that. I was merely pointing out that despite current laws, justice's opinions haven't been unanimous and that if their interpretations had prevailed, things would be much different.ashibaka said:
And if you mean the 14th, we've already covered why it was illegally passed and that its primary purpose was to kill state's rights and consolidate most power into the central gov't.crazyfingers said:
I don't know why not, I'm saying it as plain as I can.No. But I would argue that under the Constitution it was up to them whether they did, not Washington D.C. And it wouldn't have continued for much longer anyway, because it's inefficient and uneconomical. But the main point is that it was a state issue.
I might not think it was a good idea, but under the Constitution, yes, they have that power. Or did.
It's a bit more complicated than whether it was or wasn't. I don't believe it was explicitly founded on Christianity. It wasn't. But it certainly wasn't founded on atheism or the belief that States couldn't decide religious matters among themselves without being coerced at gunpoint.Damien Nightbane said:
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Or did is key. The states can not violate the first amendment because the 14th amendment incorproates them. I do not accept your arguemnt that the 14th amendment was added illegally. There is noting wrong with changing the constitution if it's done for a good reason and requiring states to respect human rights is a good reason.Higgaion said:
