Messenger, I'll find a good book for you to read about trinity being supported by the bible 100% 
The Trinity Doctrine
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Thanks LouisBooth! I found stuff on the internet but I'm just not certain I believe in the trinity like others do. I believe God sent us Jesus and Jesus is God's one and only son and I believe the Holy Spirit was with Jesus and the Holy Spirit is with us all. It is hard to say what I believe because I think God is capable of being everywhere. Trinity to me sounds like God made a body and jumped in and pretended to be Jesus a son of God but really it was him all along. Trinity seems to have figured out God and I don't think it is possible to figure out God. I will agree that we must follow Jesus' teachings as they do come from God. I believe we should worship God and pray to God through Jesus. I believe the Holy Spirit guides us. The only thing I guess I don't understand is why would Jesus tell us "why do you call me good...only my father in heaven is good." Jesus didn't want us to worship him but to worship his father. I don't wish to prove trinity is wrong...but I don't want to have to believe in something in order to fit in. I did find that the trinity doctrine will continue to change a little and that everyone has a little different interpretation of it....so who knows. I'm game...show me the proof.
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Louis:
What is wrong with the Word of God ? The Word of God will prove , using logic, that there is no trinity !
The word triune comes from pagan gods in the first place !
God is a God of balance, and you can not balance three in one.
The trinity doctrine is the most confusing doctrine on the face of the earth ! Confusion comes from the adversary, because the one true God, is not a God of confusion !
99.9999999999999999% of all trinitarians can not logically explain the trinity , because it does not defend itself against the scriptures !
Jesus Christ prayed unto the Father, and if Jesus was God, then why would he pray to himself ?
Within the Word of God, it tells us that there is "only" - "One" true God, and that we are not to have any other gods before this "One" true God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
If we do, it is idolatry !
John 20:17 - "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not ; for I am not ascended to my Father ; but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father , and your Father ; and to my God and your God "
By pure logic, if Jesus Christ has a God, and he is a God, that totals more than one God, and thus would be considered idolatry to have more than one God that one worships !!
By pure logic - A son can become a Father, but a Father can not become a son of himself !! To think otherwise is totally illogical and confusion, which comes from the adversary !
The word - Word -- comes from the Greek word - "logos" , which is where we get our word "logic" from !
L I C - Hervey
What is wrong with the Word of God ? The Word of God will prove , using logic, that there is no trinity !
The word triune comes from pagan gods in the first place !
God is a God of balance, and you can not balance three in one.
The trinity doctrine is the most confusing doctrine on the face of the earth ! Confusion comes from the adversary, because the one true God, is not a God of confusion !
99.9999999999999999% of all trinitarians can not logically explain the trinity , because it does not defend itself against the scriptures !
Jesus Christ prayed unto the Father, and if Jesus was God, then why would he pray to himself ?
Within the Word of God, it tells us that there is "only" - "One" true God, and that we are not to have any other gods before this "One" true God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
If we do, it is idolatry !
John 20:17 - "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not ; for I am not ascended to my Father ; but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father , and your Father ; and to my God and your God "
By pure logic, if Jesus Christ has a God, and he is a God, that totals more than one God, and thus would be considered idolatry to have more than one God that one worships !!
By pure logic - A son can become a Father, but a Father can not become a son of himself !! To think otherwise is totally illogical and confusion, which comes from the adversary !
The word - Word -- comes from the Greek word - "logos" , which is where we get our word "logic" from !
L I C - Hervey
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Messanger:
I am a Christian . I do not follow any of the well known denominations, in fact, I don't follow any of them. I follow exactly what the Word of God say, who - what - why - I am who I am -- IN Christ . The Word of God also calls us - saints , and brothers IN Christ.
There is no biblical proof by trinitarians that one can not call themselves a Christian if they do not believe in the trintiy --- It just is not biblical !
Don't fall into any of the condemnation traps by trinitarian theology .
God Bless brother
L I C - Hervey
I am a Christian . I do not follow any of the well known denominations, in fact, I don't follow any of them. I follow exactly what the Word of God say, who - what - why - I am who I am -- IN Christ . The Word of God also calls us - saints , and brothers IN Christ.
There is no biblical proof by trinitarians that one can not call themselves a Christian if they do not believe in the trintiy --- It just is not biblical !
Don't fall into any of the condemnation traps by trinitarian theology .
God Bless brother
L I C - Hervey
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Primarliy, the Trinity is what dwells inside you if you obey Christ's teachings. It is explained in John 14.
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Hey there Dave U:
You think you can find the trinity in John 14 ?
And where did you get such a false statement from anywho ?
Where does it say that the trinity dwells in you if you obey Christ's teachings ?
L I C - H
You think you can find the trinity in John 14 ?
And where did you get such a false statement from anywho ?
Where does it say that the trinity dwells in you if you obey Christ's teachings ?
L I C - H
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Messenger
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http://www.mostmerciful.com/trinity.htm
Something I found....still haven't found the actual Trinity Doctrine...To believe in a man-made doctrine must you read it first???
Something I found....still haven't found the actual Trinity Doctrine...To believe in a man-made doctrine must you read it first???
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Dave I respectfully disagree with you. Louisbooth (sorry posted wrong name 1st time) told me I wasn't a Christian unless I believed in Trinity. I go to a non-denomination church right now but I'm not a member. I am a member of a Baptist church but wanted a place without so much man-made rules.
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Hey there Hervey.
Unless it has changed since the last time I found it there.
From Jesus.
John 14:15-17, 21, 23-24
So, if you obey Jesus's teachings, you have the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit dwelling in you. Three persons, one essense.
You might also want to see Acts 5:32, where Peter says -- " We are witnesses of these things, as is the holy Spirit that God has given to those who obey him."
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Hervey, this debate has gone on awhile. And everytime you seemed to be repeating yourself the same scriptures. I say this with the utmost respect of course.
John chapter 1 speaks the Trinity doctrine.
John chapter 1 speaks the Trinity doctrine.
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"The Word of God will prove , using logic, that there is no trinity ! "
You mean human logic? well, God isn't bound by that. If that is so, Love wouldn't exsist. Just for the record, Hervey is a gnostic, not a christian.
The trinity is who God is. John 1, Col 2:8 and Phil 2:5-8 are some very key things that show Christ is God. Through out the book of John you can see Christ claim God's power, thus saying essentially, I am God. Why in the world do you think he was killed for blasphamy?
You mean human logic? well, God isn't bound by that. If that is so, Love wouldn't exsist. Just for the record, Hervey is a gnostic, not a christian.
The trinity is who God is. John 1, Col 2:8 and Phil 2:5-8 are some very key things that show Christ is God. Through out the book of John you can see Christ claim God's power, thus saying essentially, I am God. Why in the world do you think he was killed for blasphamy?
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Who created everything?
Genesis 1:1 says God did
Hebrews 1: 2 says Jesus did
Proverbs 3: 19 - 20 says that Wisdom did ( interpeted by many as the Holy Spirit...)
so do we believe that there were 3 creators, three Gods?
or do we accept by faith an irrational, illogical ( or perhaps "suprarational", "translogical") trinity - where one is three and three is one
Genesis 1:1 says God did
Hebrews 1: 2 says Jesus did
Proverbs 3: 19 - 20 says that Wisdom did ( interpeted by many as the Holy Spirit...)
so do we believe that there were 3 creators, three Gods?
or do we accept by faith an irrational, illogical ( or perhaps "suprarational", "translogical") trinity - where one is three and three is one
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BigEd
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The trinity is VERY Biblical.
Mt. 28:19-20 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptising them
in the name of the FATHER and of the SON and of the HOLY SPIRIT, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the
age.?
Lk. 3:21-22 When all the people were being baptised, Jesus was baptised
too. And as he was praying, heaven was opened and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a
dove. And a voice came from heaven: ?You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.?
Mt. 28:19-20 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptising them
in the name of the FATHER and of the SON and of the HOLY SPIRIT, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the
age.?
Lk. 3:21-22 When all the people were being baptised, Jesus was baptised
too. And as he was praying, heaven was opened and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a
dove. And a voice came from heaven: ?You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.?
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The trinity is very unbiblical. Not only can you not find the word trinity, but you can not even prove that there is a trinity.
No single verse can stand alone ! So Matthew 28:19 which is one of those verses that stands alone, can be considered as being added by man. Nowhere else can you find any of the disciples baptizing in this way ! That is a fact.
If there was a trinity, then God would have given you three arms and three legs and three eyes, but he only gave you two of each ! Another fact !
God created man in his own image -- Another fact !
I Corinth. 2:7 - "We speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory"
Romans 1:20 - "For the invisible things of him (God),from the creation of the world, are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse"
L I C - Hervey
No single verse can stand alone ! So Matthew 28:19 which is one of those verses that stands alone, can be considered as being added by man. Nowhere else can you find any of the disciples baptizing in this way ! That is a fact.
If there was a trinity, then God would have given you three arms and three legs and three eyes, but he only gave you two of each ! Another fact !
God created man in his own image -- Another fact !
I Corinth. 2:7 - "We speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory"
Romans 1:20 - "For the invisible things of him (God),from the creation of the world, are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse"
L I C - Hervey
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"No single verse can stand alone ! "
Exactly! that's how we know trinity exsists. It says God in one then goes on to show jesus is God the Father is God and the Holy Spirit is God thus..trinity.
"If there was a trinity, then God would have given you three arms and three legs and three eyes, but he only gave you two of each ! Another fact !
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Another logically wrong statement. God doesnt' have "hands" or "legs" at all now does he? Hervey, give it up. you're biblically wrong.
Exactly! that's how we know trinity exsists. It says God in one then goes on to show jesus is God the Father is God and the Holy Spirit is God thus..trinity.
"If there was a trinity, then God would have given you three arms and three legs and three eyes, but he only gave you two of each ! Another fact !
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Another logically wrong statement. God doesnt' have "hands" or "legs" at all now does he? Hervey, give it up. you're biblically wrong.
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We all know the word Trinity isn't in the Bible. It's just what Christians call the doctrine of their religion which refers to 1 + 1 + 1 = 1 Wow, that doesn't add up, says Hervey. There's no real logic to that.
Yeah, well, the grace and mercy we recieve from God is a mystery too, we all know that we deserve hell as much as the next person. But no, we're given grace and mercy. Why? I dunno. Just one of the many mysteries of God. Of which I'm VERY VERY thanksful.
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Interfaith Discussion has the same discussion going on so I will post my same reply:
I don't think trinity is worth fighting over. I have yet to find anything in the Bible even suggesting that we will lose our Salvation if we believe or don't believe in Trinity. I am not even certain that those who say they believe in the Trinity Doctrine know exactly what it is. I was told on this post (interfaith discussion) that I couldn't call myself a "Christian" if I didn't believe in the Trinity Doctrine.
I have searched the internet for the actual Trinity Doctrine and what I have found is things saying that it will continue to change because nobody can agree 100% on God because it is too complicating for our minds.
To love Jesus and accept Jesus as our Savior is enough to be a Christian. I won't change your beliefs and you won't change mine and I don't think it is necessary that we do. Love is what Jesus asked for and it's hard to find the love within this post.
If you believe in the Trinity Doctrine great but you should know what exactly it is that you say you believe in....so please post the Trinity Doctrine.
Thank you.
Love and God Bless
I don't think trinity is worth fighting over. I have yet to find anything in the Bible even suggesting that we will lose our Salvation if we believe or don't believe in Trinity. I am not even certain that those who say they believe in the Trinity Doctrine know exactly what it is. I was told on this post (interfaith discussion) that I couldn't call myself a "Christian" if I didn't believe in the Trinity Doctrine.
I have searched the internet for the actual Trinity Doctrine and what I have found is things saying that it will continue to change because nobody can agree 100% on God because it is too complicating for our minds.
To love Jesus and accept Jesus as our Savior is enough to be a Christian. I won't change your beliefs and you won't change mine and I don't think it is necessary that we do. Love is what Jesus asked for and it's hard to find the love within this post.
If you believe in the Trinity Doctrine great but you should know what exactly it is that you say you believe in....so please post the Trinity Doctrine.
Thank you.
Love and God Bless
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Louis and Nick
Jesus Christ is sitting on the right hand of God - Louis !
1 + 1 + 1 = 3 Nick , not 1
God is Spirit, but that does not mean that he does not have hands. Spiritual hands, but none the less -- hands !
You should see the work of his fingers !
Psalms 8:3 - "When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers , the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained"
There are many other verses that God uses body parts to give us an example to follow - Head - hand - back etc.
Now why do you think God would use human body analogies ? Could it be that God created man in his own image ?
Nick, the great mystery , is that the two become one. That is because they were one at one time, until God separated the female from the male.
Are either of you married ? I ask this in order that you may know that you know !
Is not the woman a mirror image of the man ? Similar with reversals ? Is it not true that when a man and a woman come together in sexual intercourse that they become one -- because God made them that way ?
Is it not true that "one" sperm impregnates "One" ovum , and the two become one ? ? Is not this how God created and made man and woman ?
Definition of "family" - Father - Mother - Child
I am sure you trinitarians see three - right ?
The Word says that a husband and wife are one, and one plus one child equals - Two !
Why don't you trinitarians stop trying to explain something that does not exist , except within the mind of confusion ! ? Nick can't add, and Louis does not read his bible to see if God has arms and fingers, and or hands or a head .
BTW Louis -- I am a Christian ! I have the seed of Christ IN me, which is the Spirit of his Son in my heart crying Abba Father. Anything less than having Christ in you, and you are not a Christian. And I might add, that one can not become a Christian . One who has Christ IN them is a Son of God, and no Son has ever chosen his Father. The Father chooses whom he pleases to be His Sons. It is called predestination.
All others are followers of Christ, which brings them to the knowledge of God.
Followers of false teachers ,who teach false doctrines, and false pastors and false brethren, will not bring you to the knowledge of God !
Love IN Christ and Christ IN - Hervey
Jesus Christ is sitting on the right hand of God - Louis !
1 + 1 + 1 = 3 Nick , not 1
God is Spirit, but that does not mean that he does not have hands. Spiritual hands, but none the less -- hands !
You should see the work of his fingers !
Psalms 8:3 - "When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers , the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained"
There are many other verses that God uses body parts to give us an example to follow - Head - hand - back etc.
Now why do you think God would use human body analogies ? Could it be that God created man in his own image ?
Nick, the great mystery , is that the two become one. That is because they were one at one time, until God separated the female from the male.
Are either of you married ? I ask this in order that you may know that you know !
Is not the woman a mirror image of the man ? Similar with reversals ? Is it not true that when a man and a woman come together in sexual intercourse that they become one -- because God made them that way ?
Is it not true that "one" sperm impregnates "One" ovum , and the two become one ? ? Is not this how God created and made man and woman ?
Definition of "family" - Father - Mother - Child
I am sure you trinitarians see three - right ?
The Word says that a husband and wife are one, and one plus one child equals - Two !
Why don't you trinitarians stop trying to explain something that does not exist , except within the mind of confusion ! ? Nick can't add, and Louis does not read his bible to see if God has arms and fingers, and or hands or a head .
BTW Louis -- I am a Christian ! I have the seed of Christ IN me, which is the Spirit of his Son in my heart crying Abba Father. Anything less than having Christ in you, and you are not a Christian. And I might add, that one can not become a Christian . One who has Christ IN them is a Son of God, and no Son has ever chosen his Father. The Father chooses whom he pleases to be His Sons. It is called predestination.
All others are followers of Christ, which brings them to the knowledge of God.
Followers of false teachers ,who teach false doctrines, and false pastors and false brethren, will not bring you to the knowledge of God !
Love IN Christ and Christ IN - Hervey
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