Elijah and heaven
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Its very simple -- Elijah is not in heaven --- he as well as others, need to wait for one of the two resurrections ! 
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2 Kings 2:1
"When the Lord was about to take Elijah up to heaven in a whirlwind, Elijah and Elisha were on their way home from Gilgal."
2 Kings 2:11
"As they were walking along and talking together, suddenly a chariot of fire and horses of fire appeared and separated the two of them, and Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind."
"When the Lord was about to take Elijah up to heaven in a whirlwind, Elijah and Elisha were on their way home from Gilgal."
2 Kings 2:11
"As they were walking along and talking together, suddenly a chariot of fire and horses of fire appeared and separated the two of them, and Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind."
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The word heaven can be used figuratively or literally.
Here in second Kings it is used figuratively, not literally.
People who go up into the heavens when they fly in airplanes come back to earth. Anything above the earth is heaven.
In Genesis chapter one, the firmament is called heaven. The firmament separates the waters above and the waters below the firmament. The firmament is heaven. This is the figurative heaven, not the literal heaven. The literal heaven was in Genesis 1:1.
Figurative heaven - Acts 14:17 - "gave us rain from heaven"
Literal heaven - I Peter 3:22 - "Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God ; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him "
Elisha knew --- II Kings 2:16 - "ye shall not send" -- the sons of the prophets wanted to go and find the body of Elijah, but Elisha knew they would not find the body, because finding the body of Elijah was not what was important. What was important , was where the Spirit of the Lord was, and it was upon Elisha now.
Elijah still awaits one of the two resurrections.
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Here in second Kings it is used figuratively, not literally.
People who go up into the heavens when they fly in airplanes come back to earth. Anything above the earth is heaven.
In Genesis chapter one, the firmament is called heaven. The firmament separates the waters above and the waters below the firmament. The firmament is heaven. This is the figurative heaven, not the literal heaven. The literal heaven was in Genesis 1:1.
Figurative heaven - Acts 14:17 - "gave us rain from heaven"
Literal heaven - I Peter 3:22 - "Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God ; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him "
Elisha knew --- II Kings 2:16 - "ye shall not send" -- the sons of the prophets wanted to go and find the body of Elijah, but Elisha knew they would not find the body, because finding the body of Elijah was not what was important. What was important , was where the Spirit of the Lord was, and it was upon Elisha now.
Elijah still awaits one of the two resurrections.
Love IN Christ - Hervey
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Follow ups: but wasn't John the Baptist Elijah? If yes, how did his soul get recycled?
Hervey -- are you saying no one is in heaven now, or only those unblemished who died after Jesus was crucified? Whose teachings do you follow?
Hervey -- are you saying no one is in heaven now, or only those unblemished who died after Jesus was crucified? Whose teachings do you follow?
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David:
I will do my best to answer your questions.
I follow what the Word of God says (.)
Christ is the only one who has been literally raised from the dead "and " has ascended up into heaven.
I Corinth. 15:21 - "But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept"
At the "gathering " -- I Corinth. 15:23 - "But every man in his own order : Christ the firstfruits ; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming (gathering)"
I Thess. 4:16 - "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout , with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God, and the dead in Christ shall rise first"
Love IN Christ - Hervey
I will do my best to answer your questions.
I follow what the Word of God says (.)
Christ is the only one who has been literally raised from the dead "and " has ascended up into heaven.
I Corinth. 15:21 - "But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept"
At the "gathering " -- I Corinth. 15:23 - "But every man in his own order : Christ the firstfruits ; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming (gathering)"
I Thess. 4:16 - "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout , with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God, and the dead in Christ shall rise first"
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Elijah's faith in God made him worthy of being taken directly to heaven,without having to die first. Only Elijah and Enoch enjoyed this kind of ascension.
But it was their faith that got them in, not anything else.
Remember, before Jesus's incarnation, faith in God WAS the same as faith in Christ. They are one in the same, no divisions.
But it was their faith that got them in, not anything else.
Remember, before Jesus's incarnation, faith in God WAS the same as faith in Christ. They are one in the same, no divisions.
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LL:
Everything you just said does not line up with the Word of God ! It is all a myth.
By what you are saying, you are claiming that Elijah and Enoch had greater faith than did King David. And in Acts 2:34 - "For David is not ascended into the heavens : --- verse 29 - "For David is dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day"
No man can have their own faith to get into heaven !!
By your claim, this would mean, that one gets to go to heaven by "their own faith " .
But what it says in Galatians will prove you wrong --->
Galatians 3:22 - "the "promise" by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe"
Verse 24 - "Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster until Christ, that we might be justified by faith"
Verse 25 - "But after that faith is come "
The faith of Jesus Christ had not come until this time, and before, was the faith in God by one's own faith. Read Hebrews chapter 11. Faith pleases God, even one's own faith, but the faith of Christ had not come yet, until the day of pentecost.
Plus what I said in my previous post will also prove what you said to be wrong. Re-read my previous post as well !
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Everything you just said does not line up with the Word of God ! It is all a myth.
By what you are saying, you are claiming that Elijah and Enoch had greater faith than did King David. And in Acts 2:34 - "For David is not ascended into the heavens : --- verse 29 - "For David is dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day"
No man can have their own faith to get into heaven !!
By your claim, this would mean, that one gets to go to heaven by "their own faith " .
But what it says in Galatians will prove you wrong --->
Galatians 3:22 - "the "promise" by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe"
Verse 24 - "Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster until Christ, that we might be justified by faith"
Verse 25 - "But after that faith is come "
The faith of Jesus Christ had not come until this time, and before, was the faith in God by one's own faith. Read Hebrews chapter 11. Faith pleases God, even one's own faith, but the faith of Christ had not come yet, until the day of pentecost.
Plus what I said in my previous post will also prove what you said to be wrong. Re-read my previous post as well !
L I C - Hervey
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~~~~~Hervey -- are you saying no one is in heaven now, or only those unblemished who died after Jesus was crucified? Whose teachings do you follow?
THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO KNOW...I've been trying to find the answer to this for a week or so
THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO KNOW...I've been trying to find the answer to this for a week or so
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If God took Elijah to heaven (meaning the sky), what did he do with him, Hervey? Where is he now? If he is waiting for the resurrection, where is he waiting? I don't understand this at all. I always thought when you died you went to heaven or hell. If that is not true, okay. But, that still doesn't tell me what happened to Elijah. DaveUlchers, do you know the answer to this, and you are just checking to see if we do?
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Christi:
Why are you concerned with where is the body of Elijah ? Is there a reason to know where his body landed ?
When you die, you "wait " for one of the two resurrections to take place.
The dead in Christ shall rise "first " and no one else until after then. In fact , many years after that. Not until the resurrection of the dead .
Ref: I Corinth. 15:23 and verses 29 & 30 & verse 32 and I Thess. 4:16.
The second resurrection - resurrection of the dead, takes place , as recorded in Revelation 20:12 & 13
L I C - Hervey
Why are you concerned with where is the body of Elijah ? Is there a reason to know where his body landed ?
When you die, you "wait " for one of the two resurrections to take place.
The dead in Christ shall rise "first " and no one else until after then. In fact , many years after that. Not until the resurrection of the dead .
Ref: I Corinth. 15:23 and verses 29 & 30 & verse 32 and I Thess. 4:16.
The second resurrection - resurrection of the dead, takes place , as recorded in Revelation 20:12 & 13
L I C - Hervey
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I think what LL is saying is that those of the OT times who believed and had faith in the fact that the Messiah was most definitely coming, are considered "saved" like those of us who accept Christ now, after he had already made His first appearance.
If this isn't what you're trying to say LL, please let me know
Dave, why would you believe that John the Baptist was Elijah in another life? Wouldn't that be incarnation (or whatever the word is)? As far as I've read or have heard during sermons, the only incarnation would have been Jesus.
As far as where Elijah is, I really don't know. The new bodies that will be in heaven one day aren't there yet, but I believe that the deceased souls are. What that looks like exactly, I don't know, nor does anyone else for that matter (IMHO). But, the story of Elijah is different. Isn't that just like God to keep us on our toes?
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Terri
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Well, once upon a time there was this guy names Jesus and he said a lot of things... er... I remember something about nine inch nails and a cross... er... well I forget the rest, but I do recall this guy Jesus saying John the Baptist is Elijah.
OK, I kid, I kid. See Matthew 11:14, Matthew 17:11-13(Mark 9:12-13), Luke 1:17. Jesus said John is Elijah, but oddly, John himself didn't admit to it per John 1:21.
It is confusing!
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Hmm....well, I guess I'm a gonna go look up those scriptures then, aren't I?
Thanks for posting those, I really do appreciate it.
Thanks for posting those, I really do appreciate it.
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Dave U:
Those verses you gave us ---- That was Jesus Christ talking about himself ,not John the baptist.
Figuratively speaking -- Jesus Christ was the Elijah to come, and has already come.
Elijah was know as --- "the Prophet" - that was to return. Malachi 4:5
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Those verses you gave us ---- That was Jesus Christ talking about himself ,not John the baptist.
Figuratively speaking -- Jesus Christ was the Elijah to come, and has already come.
Elijah was know as --- "the Prophet" - that was to return. Malachi 4:5
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If some people wouldn't study their Bibles in a darkroom while wearing sunglasses, I wouldn't have to type so much.OK, here's Matthew 11:6f
Matthew 17:11-13
And finally from Luke 1:
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Dave U:
Elisha also had the power of Elijah, because he had the Spirit of God upon him.
I explained already the other verses, but let me explain to you Luke 1:17
The NT is a mirror image of the OT, and John the bapitst was the Elisha , and Jesus Christ was the Elijah , in the mirror image.
Stop reading what you think you see with your eyes, and start looking at the spiritual !
Remember ! ! Elisha had the same power (doubled) upon him that Elijah had. Read First and second Kings chapters 19 in I Kings, and chapters 2 thru chapter 13 in II Kings.
The Apostle Paul told us that everything written aforetime was for our learning. So start learning by reading the OT. Compare the two prophets to the two prohets in the gospels. John the baptist and Jesus Christ. You will find that John the baptist is the mirror image of Elisha and not Elijah. And you will find, that Jesus Christ is the mirror image of Elijah , and not Elisha.
Matthew 11:14 is Jesus Christ speaking about himself, Not John !!
I can help you with your lack of knowledge in this spiritual area.
Love IN Christ - Hervey
Elisha also had the power of Elijah, because he had the Spirit of God upon him.
I explained already the other verses, but let me explain to you Luke 1:17
The NT is a mirror image of the OT, and John the bapitst was the Elisha , and Jesus Christ was the Elijah , in the mirror image.
Stop reading what you think you see with your eyes, and start looking at the spiritual !
Remember ! ! Elisha had the same power (doubled) upon him that Elijah had. Read First and second Kings chapters 19 in I Kings, and chapters 2 thru chapter 13 in II Kings.
The Apostle Paul told us that everything written aforetime was for our learning. So start learning by reading the OT. Compare the two prophets to the two prohets in the gospels. John the baptist and Jesus Christ. You will find that John the baptist is the mirror image of Elisha and not Elijah. And you will find, that Jesus Christ is the mirror image of Elijah , and not Elisha.
Matthew 11:14 is Jesus Christ speaking about himself, Not John !!
I can help you with your lack of knowledge in this spiritual area.
Love IN Christ - Hervey
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