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Greetings,

I love studying the end times and can't wait to leave this wretched world.

It's true, the Bible makes it look as though the US won't be a very big player in the middle east, especially when Russia attacks. I'm thinking something terrible will happen here, or perhaps something as simple as getting cut off from all foreign oil.

I'm facinated with the world's attitude toward us now. Who would have guessed the whole world would turn against us. Therefore, it's no surprise they have turned against Bush as well. But he's a strong guy and guess what? I think he's read the book too. lol.

What an awsome responsiblity to be the President, to know what the Bible says will happen and to make such enormous decisions. And what an honor to be counted among Israel's friends.

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Originally posted by Terri
I know Jesus came 2000 years ago. :bow:

I believe that he is coming again! :clap:

Do you believe he is coming again? :pray:

G'day Terri!

I'm not waiting any longer for Jesus to return, He's already come back when He destroyed all vestages of the Old Covenant in the destruction of Jerusalem in AD70. Nor do I see our world as hoplessly lost. There are many in it who are hopelessly lost and in need of coming into covenant with God through faith in Christ -and that's where we come into the picture in sharing God's goodness.

However we will never effectively do this if we have a negative view of God's good world i.e., "I can't wait to leave this wretched world" etc. This world's problem is SIN not SATAN, and Jesus already defeated him -you'll find that in the Bible.

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Hi davo, :wave:

I really like talking to you davo. You seem to have such a kind spirit. And I love “G’day”. It makes me smile. I’ve always thought Australia sounded like a great place. It would be on the top of my list for places to visit if I could. But, lets get down to studying—

I would ask you davo, to reconsider you position that the Lord is not going to return. I also believe that for believers in Christ the Old Covenant is no longer in effect. I also agree with you that there are many in the world who are hopelessly lost and need to come to know the Lord. I also agree with you that the Lord has already defeated Satan.

The trouble is that no matter what you do, some people are going to go their own way and refuse to know the Lord. In Revelations 11:18 it says that these people are destroying the world and the Lord has to stop them. Mark 13:20 seems to indicate to me that all of mankind would be killed in the Lord doesn’t step in and stop people from destroying the world.

It seems to me with all of the modern weapons we have in the world it is not hard to see how man will almost destroy the world. Revelations 8:7 says that a third of the trees and all of the green grass was burned up. I don’t believe this has happened in the past and is a future event.

I am certainly no prophecy expert—I just study the bible for myself and try to let the Lord lead me into understanding. I really think everyone has to study for themselves. We can’t just take someone else’s word for things. But, I believe that just as the Old Testament foretold the Lord’s first coming, the bible (old and new testaments) foretell his second coming—to stop those who are destroying the world.

The saying of “peace and security” was even predicted in the bible—I believe to alert us to the times in which we live. Never before has mankind been able to bring “sudden destruction” on themselves as we are today.

I pray that the Lord will lead you into all understanding as you study his Word. Hope you will say a prayer for me too!

Love you in the Lord

Terri



 
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G'day Terri :wave:

Thanks for those kind words -I do have my moments when I am less charitable, but I'm working on it :)

I'm not denying Christ's 2nd Coming -what I'm saying is that its already happened, in AD70 in the destruction of Jerusalem. So the real difference between us is actually in the "nature and timing" of Christ's 2nd Advent.

I see the "End of the World" (Matt 24) as being the end of the "age" (as it actually is in the Greek). Jesus was not talking about the end of our physical universe, He was talking about the end of the age of the "Old Covenant world of Judaism." The old covenant which was typified by Jerusalem and its Temple WAS the whole world to the 1st century Jews -and it was this that was to come to an end.

Does that make sense?

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Hi davo, :D

What you are saying does make sense.

Guess we just disagree. I think the Lord's return is yet to happen.

Do you believe that the world will get better and better as people come to know the Lord?

Do you not believe that man is going to almost destroy the world?

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Originally posted by Terri
Hi davo, :D

What you are saying does make sense.

Guess we just disagree. I think the Lord's return is yet to happen.

Do you believe that the world will get better and better as people come to know the Lord?

Do you not believe that man is going to almost destroy the world?

Terri


Terri,

I don't believe 'man' will destroy this world as I believe God alone has his hand firmly on the controls of history. Man certainly has great potential to do great harm, yet also great good -it is our God given role as Christ's ambassadors in this OUR world to influence toward the latter. Yet this becomes almost non-existant if our mind-set or world veiw is one of doom and gloom and "can't wait to get raptured out of this hell-hole" mentality, that "futurism" tends to engender. We're supposed to make a difference, not abandon ship.

If Christian don't get involved with planning for the future then we're ripping our future generations off, IMO.

What do you think?

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Originally posted by davo



Terri,

I don't believe 'man' will destroy this world as I believe God alone has his hand firmly on the controls of history. Man certainly has great potential to do great harm, yet also great good -it is our God given role as Christ's ambassadors in this OUR world to influence toward the latter. Yet this becomes almost non-existant if our mind-set or world veiw is one of doom and gloom and "can't wait to get raptured out of this hell-hole" mentality, that "futurism" tends to engender. We're supposed to make a difference, not abandon ship.

If Christian don't get involved with planning for the future then we're ripping our future generations off, IMO.

What do you think?

davo

davo,

I agree with you that God has total control of what happens in the world. But, I believe that God is letting mankind have their way with the world to show them what the end result of doing things "their way" will be.

I also agree with you that we are to make a difference--be the light of the world. I believe you can still make a difference while at the same time looking forward to being with the Lord. We are not suppose to sit idly by and wait for the Lord's return. We are suppose to keep busy until he comes.

It seems that about the only thing we disagree about is whether the Lord will return again in the future. Guess we will just have to agree to disagree. My concern for you is that if the way I see things turns out to be right and things get really bad in the world it might hurt your faith. But, just remember if things do get bad in the world the Lord still loves us and everything will work out no matter how bad things get. If you turn out to be right--I guess we have nothing to be concerned about!

Terri
 
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Originally posted by Terri


davo,

I agree with you that God has total control of what happens in the world. But, I believe that God is letting mankind have their way with the world to show them what the end result of doing things "their way" will be.

I also agree with you that we are to make a difference--be the light of the world. I believe you can still make a difference while at the same time looking forward to being with the Lord. We are not suppose to sit idly by and wait for the Lord's return. We are suppose to keep busy until he comes.

It seems that about the only thing we disagree about is whether the Lord will return again in the future. Guess we will just have to agree to disagree. My concern for you is that if the way I see things turns out to be right and things get really bad in the world it might hurt your faith. But, just remember if things do get bad in the world the Lord still loves us and everything will work out no matter how bad things get. If you turn out to be right--I guess we have nothing to be concerned about!

Terri

Who was it who said:
"It was the best of times, it was the worst of times."

I'm sure we've had both, we have both, there will be both -not too worry. "ALL THINGS" says Paul work for our benefit. And "The Lord knows those who are His." :wave:

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Originally posted by Terri
Didn't hear it but was told by a reliable source (my hubby) that President Bush said "peace and security" in his weekly radio message yesterday.

Keep watching!!! :)


Terri, are you saying your husband said "peace and security?" :confused:
I guess you had better "keep watching him!" :D

your servant in Messiah, Jesus,
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Originally posted by davo
G'day Terri :wave:

Thanks for those kind words -I do have my moments when I am less charitable, but I'm working on it :)

I'm not denying Christ's 2nd Coming -what I'm saying is that its already happened, in AD70 in the destruction of Jerusalem. So the real difference between us is actually in the "nature and timing" of Christ's 2nd Advent.

I see the "End of the World" (Matt 24) as being the end of the "age" (as it actually is in the Greek). Jesus was not talking about the end of our physical universe, He was talking about the end of the age of the "Old Covenant world of Judaism." The old covenant which was typified by Jerusalem and its Temple WAS the whole world to the 1st century Jews -and it was this that was to come to an end.

Does that make sense?


davo:
I am in agreement with you. The Greek does say "end of the age." The KJV has "end of the world." It has led a lot astray. :clap:

your servant in Messiah, Jesus,
charlesj


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Originally posted by charlesj



Terri, are you saying your husband said "peace and security?" :confused:
I guess you had better "keep watching him!" :D

your servant in Messiah, Jesus,
charlesj :sleep:

Sorry charlesj that you can't read any better than that--could be the source of some of your problems!! :p

I will be happy to break the sentence down for you if you need me to! :)
 
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Originally posted by Terri


Sorry charlesj that you can't read any better than that--could be the source of some of your problems!! :p

I will be happy to break the sentence down for you if you need me to! :)

Don't take it so hard Terri.... :(

Is is "peace and security," or is it "peace and safety?"

He (your husband) had to have said it. Right?

Or, did he say, "Bush said, xxxxxx and xxxxx." :D

your servant in Messiah, Jesus,
charlesj
 
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Me, too. I like to hear that we have a leader that prays for God's wisdom and guidance before making decisions. Of course, just like us non-presidential Christians, he will make mistakes at times, but I think his heart is in the right place.


You actually believe that he prays before making decisions. So I suppose bombing afghan. was God will.

What GOd do you think he prays too?
 
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You actually believe that he prays before making decisions. So I suppose bombing afghan. was God will.
What GOd do you think he prays too?

If you read the Bible, you will see that God has lead many of His people into war and made them victorious.
 
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Well, I have never been invited to the White House to witness this. I've read in many interviews that he does. I can't prove it to you, but I believe he does seek God's will.
But StogusMaximus is right, God has lead many leaders to war, many much more brutal than this one. Read about King David.
 
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