Your Thoughts On Kazaa

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After falling into temptation and looking at inappropriate contentography a couple weeks ago, I quickly removed Kazaa off of my system. Ever since, I have not had much desire to go back to inappropriate contentography (and I really scolded myself for doing it before). I get most of my music off of Kazaa though, and software that I cannot pay for as well.

I believe inappropriate contentography is wrong. It is adultry... it is lust... it is pure sin. I'm not even going to touch on that, as I am not going to look at it anymore on any program or movie or magazine or whatever.

About the music and software though, I have been tempted to install it again... not for inappropriate content, but to get the music I want and the files I need.
After thinking it over for a while, I came to a dead end. Does God consider downloading music and files off of Kazaa to be stealing? What is the difference between taking a cd out of a store and downloading? It's the exact same thing for software as well. These are just my feelings, and I wanted to know what some of yours were.

I talked to a friend about it, and here are his responses:

Stealing to me is something physical....not a computer program....where you are getting ripped off if you buy it because half the time it won't work....

To me, companies are stealing more from you when you buy there cheap programs, whos to say that its stealing....people share programs with each other all over the place, they just don't do it via the internet, someone might have a CD and then make a copy and give it to friends

See if you wanna get techinical, taping songs off a radio would be considered piracy..even if you just wanted to listen to it... taping a movie from TV just in case you missed it is piracy, so that argument Kazaa is illegal is stupid.

The RIAA is just a bunch of arrogant people who think they should rule the world.

So what are your opinions on this issue? I'm not going back to look at inappropriate content, but i'd really like to get the music and software I want for free. (If I had a million dollars, things would be different, but I dont.) Before I go back and install Kazaa and download music for my own enjoyment and software to fix my computer, I want to know for sure how serious or not serious this is. I believe(d) that stealing was stealing in God's eyes, but when it comes to digital media, does it really matter? I dont want to be breaking the "Thou Shalt Not Steal" commandment.

Please give me your feedback!

Thanks!
 
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People will give ya a whole bunch of reason why its okay- My favorites are:

"The artist dont need anymore money, they're rich, and too greedy" . (which is absured. Stealing is stealing whether its from the rich or the poor.

"Everyone else is doing it." (Yes, and...?)

So, I would say no. Stick to buying used cds or something. They're cheap, you can often get 3 for the price of one, and if you dont like 'em, you can take 'em back.
 
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Well, honestly...I don't think its a very big deal to cop a few songs from kazaa or any other music d/l program. I mean, I do it too...and, if I didn't use kazaa I would just take someone else's CD and burn one for myself...so there honestly isn't much of a difference. I don't know though, I am not exactly a saint so you probably shouldn't take my advice.
 
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Goldie Lox said:
Well, honestly...I don't think its a very big deal to cop a few songs from kazaa or any other music d/l program. I mean, I do it too...and, if I didn't use kazaa I would just take someone else's CD and burn one for myself...so there honestly isn't much of a difference. I don't know though, I am not exactly a saint so you probably shouldn't take my advice.
C'mon stealing is stealing no matter how you justify it. Just like it's not ok for me to cop a few bucks from your online bank account, because I would just take it from someone else’s account anyway. And I'm sure you don't mind me sharing your account info with my friends either?
 
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Actually I've read the CNET newsletter and to tell you the truth it is not stealing at all to me. Some say it's stealing their sales, but if I didn't have Kazaa Lite then I wouldn't even have the songs and software that I have because I don't have the money for $1000 programs. So in other words, it is infringing a copyright but not stealing at all in any form.
 
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Ryoko Ozaki said:
Actually I've read the CNET newsletter and to tell you the truth it is not stealing at all to me. Some say it's stealing their sales, but if I didn't have Kazaa Lite then I wouldn't even have the songs and software that I have because I don't have the money for $1000 programs. So in other words, it is infringing a copyright but not stealing at all in any form.


It's stealing because you didn't pay for the copyright.

That's like saying I didn't steal a car, I just didn't have the money to pay for it so I took it.
 
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Hmmm... ok. Here's a new idea. Suppose I downloaded some software or music off Kazaa because I cannot pay for it now... but later, I plan on buying it, is that ok? In other words, i'd be downloading the software and saying to the companies "i'll pay you back ASAP (whenever I have enough money to invest in whatever I have downloaded).

Is that ok?

Like for example, I plan(ned) on downloading Microsoft Office 2003... which is $450 software. I dont have $450 on me right now, but in a few months I would have enough to go out and buy a box with the legit software. Though the companies would not like this, it wouldn't exactly be stealing would it? It'd be "i'll pay you back for this later. mkay?".

Any thoughts?

Edit: I've done this before with games I have downloaded. I have downloaded full games off of Kazaa. Once downloaded, I have played them and have said to myself "WHOA! This game is sweet!! Lemme see if I have enough money yet to go out and buy it!" If I didnt have money at the time, i'd make it my goal to save up enough to get it... a legit $50 copy of the game from a store, versus the free one I downloaded.

So is that ok?
 
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C'mon stealing is stealing no matter how you justify it. Just like it's not ok for me to cop a few bucks from your online bank account, because I would just take it from someone else’s account anyway. And I'm sure you don't mind me sharing your account info with my friends either?

Woah...

Don't get your boxers in a bunch...my goodness, BREATHE.

I still think downloading songs off the internet is fine, I don't care if you call it stealing or if you call it borrowing, or whatever you call it. It doesn't bother me one bit. Do what you do...You could probably justify it stealing and not stealing...either way, you need to chill out...lol, sorry but...holy cow.
 
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Goldie Lox said:
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Woah...

Don't get your boxers in a bunch...my goodness, BREATHE.

I still think downloading songs off the internet is fine, I don't care if you call it stealing or if you call it borrowing, or whatever you call it. It doesn't bother me one bit. Do what you do...You could probably justify it stealing and not stealing...either way, you need to chill out...lol, sorry but...holy cow.
Ok I wasn't really freaking out. I just want you to understand that the music, software, picture and so on, belong to the person or persons that made it. The only thing different you have from a shoplifter is you use an anonymous screen name and program on the Internet. You wouldn't carry it of the store with out paying for it, so how is downloading any different; you still took it for free.
 
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I only download music that it is impossible for me to buy, i.e. import music. Buying the CDs secondhand is stealing just as much, because the artists get nothing that way.

And it's not the same as, say, stealing a European car because you can't buy them in the U.S. If I stole the music, you wouldn't have it any more, right?
 
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Inspired said:
It's stealing because you didn't pay for the copyright.

That's like saying I didn't steal a car, I just didn't have the money to pay for it so I took it.

That's a faulty analogy. Stealing a car would be comparible to shoplifting a CD directly from the store.

Downloading a copyrighted song would be like magically cloning a car without paying for it.
 
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Phleace said:
Hmmm... ok. Here's a new idea. Suppose I downloaded some software or music off Kazaa because I cannot pay for it now... but later, I plan on buying it, is that ok? In other words, i'd be downloading the software and saying to the companies "i'll pay you back ASAP (whenever I have enough money to invest in whatever I have downloaded).

Is that ok?

Like for example, I plan(ned) on downloading Microsoft Office 2003... which is $450 software. I dont have $450 on me right now, but in a few months I would have enough to go out and buy a box with the legit software. Though the companies would not like this, it wouldn't exactly be stealing would it? It'd be "i'll pay you back for this later. mkay?".

Any thoughts?

Edit: I've done this before with games I have downloaded. I have downloaded full games off of Kazaa. Once downloaded, I have played them and have said to myself "WHOA! This game is sweet!! Lemme see if I have enough money yet to go out and buy it!" If I didnt have money at the time, i'd make it my goal to save up enough to get it... a legit $50 copy of the game from a store, versus the free one I downloaded.

So is that ok?

LOL is it ok if you steal a car then go back and pay for it later?
 
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Pete Harcoff said:
That's a faulty analogy. Stealing a car would be comparible to shoplifting a CD directly from the store.

Downloading a copyrighted song would be like magically cloning a car without paying for it.


Either way you know the material is stolen, you know you should be paying for the song, but you don't because you can get away with it.

Now as far as Metallica whinning about it, their last couple of albums haven't sold as much well because they were horrible, not because someone was downloading them, but it really does hurt independent artists who depend on that $15 bucks for that CD just to make rent the next month.

Doesn't matter what the analogy is, it's stealing, you are aware of it and you do it anyway.

Not judging anyone, it's a choice you have to make for yourself.
 
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hmmm.....well, personily I think that it's ok to use kaaza as long as you don't put the music on a blank CD.....also I think you should just download only from the artist that you plan on buying a CD from......but that's just me......but I do think that buring a CD on to a blank CD is stealing....but I'm sorta weird.....so yeah...*shuts her mouth*
 
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During the 70's I sunk a small fortune in 8-track tapes. They no longer play. So instead of playing the music industry's money game by buying my music again and again because they introduce a new and improved format (remember LPs?) I started to rebuild my music library by down loading music that I had already bought and payed for. P2P file sharing should not be illegal unless the person expects to make money by using the file for personal profit. To use it for my own personal use is not stealing. For the most part the original copy of the file being shared was probaly purchased by the original owner. Of course if the file being shared is a pirated copy then the one that originaly shared it is the one that is guilty of wrong doing.

The music, movie, gaming and computer programing industry are into promoting a new and improved product to keep you spending your hard earned money while they take it to spend on their sex, drugs and rock n roll life styles. Has anyone ever noticed how many times P&G has remarketed Tide?

Think about it and you will see the racket that is going on to seperate you from your hard earned money. Just mark my word there is a new format around the corner that will be touted as better than CD, DVD or MP3 wait and see.

"A fool and his money are soon parted" Ben Franklin.
 
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