Why Rabbinic Messianic Judaism?

The Thadman · Oct 12, 2003

Just a quick question,

Why do most modern Messianic Jews follow Rabbinic Law in addition to Biblical Law? For example, keeping kosher when they're not going to go to the Temple, mostly because there is no Temple, as well as keeping Talmudic Kosher as opposed to Biblical Kosher (i.e. Talmudic Kosher = No meat and cheese, PERIOD where Biblical Kosher = No goat-kids cooked in it's mothers milk).

Back in Biblical times, the average Jew wouldn't even worry about ritual cleanliness unless he or she was going to the Temple, while during the 1st Century, the beginnings of the Talmud and Mishnah were being compiled, and were later written down (approx 500AD). Jesus' teachings seem to teach against Rabbinic Laws, while keeping Biblical Laws stricter.

I'm curious

Shlomo,
-Steve-o

Henaynei · Oct 12, 2003

Dear Thadman,

While I have not your level of education I will venture a reply:

The Thadman said:
Why do most modern Messianic Jews follow Rabbinic Law in addition to Biblical Law?

Ah, Thadman, the repetitive lament is that most MJ don't follow Rabbinic Law - indeed a great many don't follow any Law at all - except what you generously call Biblical Kosher and the Talmudic traditions that make them feel Jewish (kippot, tallit, Torah ark and scroll, etc.).

The Thadman said:
For example, keeping kosher when they're not going to go to the Temple, mostly because there is no Temple, as well as keeping Talmudic Kosher as opposed to Biblical Kosher (i.e. Talmudic Kosher = No meat and cheese, PERIOD where Biblical Kosher = No goat-kids cooked in it's mothers milk).

Those who keep what you call biblically kosher rarely (I know of none) avoid eating in restaurants where their "kosher" foods are cooked in utensils and in fats that have had treif cooked in them. Also, scripture states we are to slaughter the animals "as you have been instructed," however, such instruction does not exist IN scripture; only in the Oral traditions does this instruction exist. Those who keep biblically kosher rarely ensure they are eating animals that were properly slaughtered.

The Thadman said:
Back in Biblical times, the average Jew wouldn't even worry about ritual cleanliness unless he or she was going to the

The Thadman said:
Temple,

Where do you get this impression?

Archeology has shown that a great many homes of the time had mikvot in the home. Sounds like they used the mikvah quite a lot.

Also, we have the witness of two well-known persons that they NEVER ate treif - whether they were going to the Temple or not. That would be Kefa and Sha'ul. Even Ya'acov the elder encouraged Sha'ul to demonstrate that he "walks orderly (kept the traditions) and kept the Law."

Nowhere in Torah is there any indication that ritual purity was an on and off thing. These instructions were clearly presented as perpetual and were rarely if ever specifically connected to entry into the Temple. The only place such was the case that I can recall is where an even higher level of purity was required of the priests.

The Thadman said:
while during the 1st Century, the beginnings of the Talmud and Mishnah were being compiled, and were later written down (approx 500AD). Jesus' teachings seem to teach against Rabbinic Laws, while keeping Biblical Laws stricter.

I am quite sure you already know that the Oral traditions are the "how to" the "what to" instructions of Torah.

Mishna had been compiled long before Yeshua arrived. It was Oral and was transmitted and kept orally. As Halakah it certainly had determinations added well after Yeshua's time - right up until it was codified when it's written form somewhat limited additions. Gamarah certainly was one layer of those additions, but since Gamarah was closed little has been added.

Yeshua kept all of Torah (as I am sure you agree) and the greater majority of the Oral traditions. There were a very few of the traditions that He corrected or clarified or put back on track.

I am sure there are holes in my commentary through which your learned expository could drive a truck

I look forward to your reply.

Shalom,
Henaynei

Noa · Oct 12, 2003

Hello Thadman,

The Thadman said:
Just a quick question,

Why do most modern Messianic Jews follow Rabbinic Law in addition to Biblical Law? For example, keeping kosher when they're not going to go to the Temple, mostly because there is no Temple, as well as keeping Talmudic Kosher as opposed to Biblical Kosher (i.e. Talmudic Kosher = No meat and cheese, PERIOD where Biblical Kosher = No goat-kids cooked in it's mothers milk).

Back in Biblical times, the average Jew wouldn't even worry about ritual cleanliness unless he or she was going to the Temple, while during the 1st Century, the beginnings of the Talmud and Mishnah were being compiled, and were later written down (approx 500AD). Jesus' teachings seem to teach against Rabbinic Laws, while keeping Biblical Laws stricter.

I'm curious

Shlomo,
-Steve-o

I´ll be short 2

The most Rabbi´s have also the inspiration of haSjem (not only the reborn-christians

) Most of the Talmudic laws keep us from doing wrong (muq´tza) with respect 2 the Thora. Yeshua Himself did use the Talmud.

:wave:

shalom!

Noa.

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