Who were the most overrated and the most underrated presidents in US history?

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Milla said:
This is going to sound kind of weird coming from me, but I think Bush senior is pretty underrated. Not the MOST underrated, but I don't think he gets nearly enough credit for his international relations skills. His reaction to the fall of the Berlin Wall was quite skillful, I thought - instead of throwing a big stupid bombastic party that would have been insulting, he was quietly friendly. And I know that he promised not to raise taxes, but let's face it, taxes needed to be raised...he basically sacrificed his political career to do the right thing for American economics. Not bad.


I agree somewhat. Bush senior, does appear to be much more sensible than his son.
Its quite amusing really, but in a recent interview, Bush senior told the press that he really doesn't offer his son too much advice. Which is just as well, perhaps, because otherwise we would not be able to make fun of Bush junior so much. :)
 
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kurabrhm said:
Thanks for pointing that out Matt.

But maybe a point can still be made that the media was all too keen on portraying Reagan as this simple humanistic person with all the desire to do good and had not an inch of evil in his blood.

Obviously, the Nicaraguan scandal does somewhat put the media to shame.
The media to shame? The Reagan White House was jumping through hoops to help a band of torturers and murderers. Ronald Reagan should be put to shame.
 
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MatthewG215 said:
The media to shame? The Reagan White House was jumping through hoops to help a band of torturers and murderers. Ronald Reagan should be put to shame.


Its a bit late for that. Reagan is now dead. He was very old and very senile when he died. One should forgive and forget the poor man rather than make him a criminal posthumously.

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kurabrhm said:
Its a bit late for that. Reagan is now dead. He was very old and very senile when he died. One should forgive and forget the poor man rather than make him a criminal posthumously.

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If the shoe fits. Just because someone is senile or dead doesn't mean discussion of the naegatives of their public life should be off limits.

Most underrated: I'm going to go out on a limb here and say Gerald Ford. Please don't kill me. That doesn't mean I think that Gerald Ford was the best president, not even close, but most people think he was just that goose that resided in office after Nixon resigned. But I think Gerald Ford saved the presidency and restored faith of the US public in the president. Carter and Reagan also played their parts, but Ford layed down the foundation.

Most Overrated: Washington. Please don't kill me again. I'm not saying Washington was all that bad, he was what every president since has wanted to be (hell, I'm sure they would love to be half of what Washington was). But he had a situation that would never be repeated again, and it wasn't entirely the force of his will that guided the young America through the first few years. As JFK later said "Every American mother wants her boy to grow up and be president without becoming a politician first" - Washington was the only man who achieved that. Any problems during the Washington administration was blamed on the politicians around him, Washington was above politics. So I think his status as god among men isn't entirely deserved, and I think comparing him to other presidents is unfair. So he won't make my list of best presidents, even though I've love him at the top.

Top five:
1. Abe Lincoln - Saw the US through the hard times of the Civil War, not perfectly, but did the best of a hard time. Without that victory, the presidency wouldn't have reasserted itself over the South.
2. Andrew Jackson - took the US from an elitist virtual aristocracy to a popular democracy.
3. Harry Truman - Made the best of an inherited Administration he knew little about at the end of WWII, and held his ground to challenges to presidential authority in the Korean War.
4. Ronnie Raygun - as much as I hate this fellow, I guess the popular view of him that he made Americans proud of themselves and their past again holds some water. And he trusted experts and advisors that he hired (FDR, the man who I was going to put here, struggled against his advisors for his own vision). Trust me, if I was a politically biased historian, Ronnie wouldn't have made it to the list.
5. Grover Cleveland - An honest politician, who can find?

There is a discussion of American presidents here. Feel free to take part.
 
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Most Overrated: JFK, Lincoln, and Dubya

JFK didn't do much and Lincoln overstepped his authority during the War of Northern Aggression, he couldn't select a good General to counter Lee (remember that the President is also the Commander-in-Chief of our armed forces), etc., etc., etc. I don't even want to start with Dubya-he was a horrible Governor and even worse President! The blood of many is already on his hands. :sigh:

Most Underrated: General Eisenhower-the most recent Commander-in-Chief to have a great military record I believe
Jimmy Carter-like Reagan after him he had respect for the Office.

Top 5
1. LBJ
2. Ronald Reagan
3. FDR
4. George Washington
5. Eisenhower

indeep said:
Erm... I really don't know... I'm not american... Actually, I was watching Newshour the other day - which is about the only real source of american news I can get to - and they were talking about this president who decided to give an hour long+ inauguration speech, and he caught a cold, and died a few weeks later. I found it amusing, but I don't remember who it was. I was hoping Dubyah's speechwriters were feeling particularly verbose today. :p

That may have well been caretaker President William Henry "I died in thirty days" Harrison (got to give a salute to the Simpsons).

Mediocre Preidents' Song
 
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