What does it mean to say God is male?

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Over in Official Polls, people have overwhelmingly decided that God should be referred to as a male. Mostly the reasons stated are that (a) Scripture refers to God as Male and (b) Jesus was male and (c) Jesus referred to His 'Father'.

My question is what does it mean to refer to God as male? What is male about God? If God is male, do females have less of a likeness to the very nature of God? Are there theological reasons why we should consider God as male? Does a view of God as male lead us to clearer view of God or does it limit God?

There are a few scriptures which give God female characteristics:

Isaiah 66:13 As a mother comforts her child, so will I comfort you . . .

Matthew 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing.

Isaiah 42:14 “For a long time I have kept silent, I have been quiet and held myself back. But now, like a woman in childbirth, I cry out, I gasp and pant. I will lay waste the mountains and hills and dry up all their vegetation; I will turn rivers into islands and dry up the pools.

James 1:18 He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of all he created.

Genisis 1 says 27 So God created man in his own image,in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.

That sounds like God's image is both male and female.

Genisis 2 says 20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field. But for Adam no suitable helper was found. 21 So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man's ribs and closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man. 23 The man said, "This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called 'woman,' for she was taken out of man."


Upon this story rests the idea that the female is derivative or secondary.


I'd be interested in what purpose the supposed maleness of God serves.
 
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I only see one out of the 3 Godheads as being male, that being the Son, othewise the Father and the Holy Spirit are neither male or female. God is spirit however He does call Himself the Father and He does portray Himself as a Father.

I also am a father and can share some of the characteristics of being a mother just like mothers can share some fatherly characteristics. It's called being a parent and sometimes the jobs and duties overlap.

Now because Jesus Christ came as a man we can at least say that the Son is male because Jesus is God and therefore many do see themselves as being correct in saying God is male.
 
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raphael_aa said:
Over in Official Polls, people have overwhelmingly decided that God should be referred to as a male.

The only reason God is referred to as male is due to a weakness in the language when dealing with pronouns. The single pronouns only give you three choices: he, she and it. We can discard the impersonal "it". After that it's pretty much a coin flip, but convention has settled on "he". We use "father" and "son" for about the same reasons. (Even though the Incarnation was male, I don't see why that masculinity should be transferred to the Godhead.)

In any case, there's always Genesis:
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. Genesis 1:27 (NIV)
That pretty much says it. "Man" as the image-bearer of God, was created male and female.
 
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I'm reading a good book that talks about the idea of God/the truth about God being revealled in Scripture in 4 different ways (starting Obvi. with the Gospels)

The author says that El Shaddai (or Shaddai) being translated as the Almighty is a (largley acknwleged) inaaproprate trans & no-one can no what it means for sure...

...but he says that the Hebrew word for breasts is shad, so one poss trans for Shaddai is 'breasted'. And as El is a shortened version of Elohim (God), El Shaddai could mean the 'breasted God'.

Apparantly the name El Shaddai is mostly used in the OT to talk of God's provision.
 
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Labayu said:
I'm reading a good book that talks about the idea of God/the truth about God being revealled in Scripture in 4 different ways (starting Obvi. with the Gospels)

The author says that El Shaddai (or Shaddai) being translated as the Almighty is a (largley acknwleged) inaaproprate trans & no-one can no what it means for sure...

...but he says that the Hebrew word for breasts is shad, so one poss trans for Shaddai is 'breasted'. And as El is a shortened version of Elohim (God), El Shaddai could mean the 'breasted God'.

Apparantly the name El Shaddai is mostly used in the OT to talk of God's provision.

I've heard this myself: That it means 'full breasted one'. I wasn't sure enough to post it though.
 
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Vigil said:
Forgive my humor on this, but what it means for God to be male is that once a month he won't wipe out the human race.
God Bless
Vigil.

Oh now, that's not very nice. Just because we get moody and tempermental on a regular basis, doesn't mean that obliterate everything in our paths. :eek:

:idea: That would be like saying God was haviing a 'female moment' when he created the earth, and a 'male moment' when he obliterated Sodom and Gomorrha.
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Bizzlebin Imperatoris said:
If God is not male, then the Church is not the Bride of Christ, and the Bible, and Jesus too apparently, is wrong.

Possibly but that's not answering the question. When we say God is male, what does that mean? What is male about God?
 
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raphael_aa said:
Possibly but that's not answering the question. When we say God is male, what does that mean? What is male about God?

What do you mean what does that mean? I think you are looking for the definition of male?

What is male about God? Jesus is male, the Father is male, etc. Males were made in God's image, and then females from man.

If you are asking if there is something wrong with females because God is male, the answer is no. God choose to be male for whatever reason, and that's the way it is.
 
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Bizzlebin Imperatoris said:
What do you mean what does that mean? I think you are looking for the definition of male?

What is male about God? Jesus is male, the Father is male, etc. Males were made in God's image, and then females from man.

If you are asking if there is something wrong with females because God is male, the answer is no. God choose to be male for whatever reason, and that's the way it is.

No, I mean God. God is Spirit. What is male about that Spirit? What male characteristics does God have? Is God male and has He NO female characteristics? That doesn't seem scripturally true. Consider the verses I posted in the OP.
 
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It seems that many people do not confront the conceptual problem of reconciling male physical characteristics with that of God as Spirit.

What it means to call God male is to say God has ordained patriarchal society, and this inherently contradicts Jesus' Freedom through Salvation because patriarchy is an oppressive insitution.

To state God is male is to say men rule over women, just as God rules over everything. I whole heartedly believe that if women were the ones who wrote Biblical text then God would have been referred to primarily as She instead of He.
 
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raphael_aa said:
No, I mean God. God is Spirit. What is male about that Spirit? What male characteristics does God have? Is God male and has He NO female characteristics? That doesn't seem scripturally true. Consider the verses I posted in the OP.

God is certainly spirit, but what is to say that spirit is not masculine? Anyways, what we do know is that when God was incarnate, He was a man, and that even the Holy Spirit was incarnate as something other than a neuter being. Whether he has the characteristics of a male or female is irrelevant. He wanted us to see Him as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
 
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It seems that many people do not confront the conceptual problem of reconciling male physical characteristics with that of God as Spirit.

What it means to call God male is to say God has ordained patriarchal society, and this inherently contradicts Jesus' Freedom through Salvation because patriarchy is an oppressive insitution.

To state God is male is to say men rule over women, just as God rules over everything. I whole heartedly believe that if women were the ones who wrote Biblical text then God would have been referred to primarily as She instead of He.

It is unnecessary

Mixing philospohy and politics with religion will certainly give some problematic results. However, God created man to rule over women. Man must love his wife, but the wife must still submit her will to his. It is not about equality, but about hierarchy. Heaven is NOT a democracy.

The holy women throughout history would certainly disagree. Only in recent times has such nonesense come out. One cannot simply change the God-created order of the universe because a few people disagree.
 
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Bizzlebin Imperatoris said:
It is unnecessary

Mixing philospohy and politics with religion will certainly give some problematic results. However, God created man to rule over women. Man must love his wife, but the wife must still submit her will to his. It is not about equality, but about hierarchy. Heaven is NOT a democracy.

The holy women throughout history would certainly disagree. Only in recent times has such nonesense come out. One cannot simply change the God-created order of the universe because a few people disagree.

Of course it's unnecessary when doing so would be damaging to one's argument.:thumbsup:

Who was the first person that took the Gospel to France (that region)? It was a woman. Women saved Moses' life FIVE times before the Exodus. Ever notice something when reading Mark? Not only were the women the only ones who NEVER made a mistake, but they were also the only ones who understood Jesus, the first ones to find the empty tomb, and the FIRST to proclaim the Risen Jesus.

Galatians 3:28 explicitly negates hierarchy in regards to men and women.

I know God, and the Christ I know did not create men to rule over women. That is the beauty of growing in Christ, we can all have different views, but we should still be able to love one another.

Women and men are children of God and should submit to Christ only because to say a woman is to submit to a man is to place a sinner above God. That just does not make any sense to me.
 
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Bizzlebin Imperatoris said:
God is certainly spirit, but what is to say that spirit is not masculine? Anyways, what we do know is that when God was incarnate, He was a man, and that even the Holy Spirit was incarnate as something other than a neuter being. Whether he has the characteristics of a male or female is irrelevant. He wanted us to see Him as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

I don't think you're getting my question. I must not be very clear. If we say a spirit is masculine what does that mean about that spirit? How would it be different from a female spirit? What revelation about God does it give us to say He is exclusively 'male'? If God does want us to see Him as male, why does He?

Another issue: The 'wisdom' of God as personified in the scripture as 'Sofia'. Isn't that female? Isn't there a good case to be made that this is identical to the Holy Spirit?
 
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I don't see any reson to refer to God a male except it is tradition and people wont look down on you or what you say.
How about for no other reason than that is how God referred to Himself? He inspired the writers of the Bible to describe Himself and all we have to do is take it on faith He meant it for a purpose. Further, Christ is the "husband" of the church (bride) which is in submission to Him.
 
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Neverstop said:
Of course it's unnecessary when doing so would be damaging to one's argument.:thumbsup:

Who was the first person that took the Gospel to France (that region)? It was a woman. Women saved Moses' life FIVE times before the Exodus. Ever notice something when reading Mark? Not only were the women the only ones who NEVER made a mistake, but they were also the only ones who understood Jesus, the first ones to find the empty tomb, and the FIRST to proclaim the Risen Jesus.

Galatians 3:28 explicitly negates hierarchy in regards to men and women.

I know God, and the Christ I know did not create men to rule over women. That is the beauty of growing in Christ, we can all have different views, but we should still be able to love one another.

Women and men are children of God and should submit to Christ only because to say a woman is to submit to a man is to place a sinner above God. That just does not make any sense to me.

Actually, it has nothing to do with the arguement. Seperating God as you propose it heretical, even by CF standards I believe.

Hmm, I know Irenaeus was in Frace very early on, around 100, and Paul went through it(?) earlier. What woman do you speak of?

I hope you are not saying that women are not in the Bible, they are. Women actually contributed parts of the Bible. This, however, is not being called into question.

Then who rules the family? From 1 Cor 11:3 "and the head of the woman is man"

Of course women are to submit to Christ, but in their proper place. God didn't come talk to Mary, and angel did. The same with many other happenings. God's will is ultimately done, through the proper chain of hierarchy.
 
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