Jerusalem At The Time Of The End

brother daniel · Dec 26, 2004

Isnt the subject of the thread Jerusalem at the time of the end?

"Historically and today the MERCHANTS of the world, "UNION of NATIONS", have centeralized privite control of Land, Labor, Sex, Religion, Murder and Economy by the use of deception and deadly force.
Babylon at the time of Nebuchadnezzar and Daniel the prophet was the most absolute efficent example of such a centerlized international MARKET. The following ruling commercial dynestys of Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome are each more degenerite than the one proceding it. The CHRISTIAN ROMAN and ORTHODOX religious CONTROL over economies of the east and west legs of the Roman market franchise system have destroyed the most souls up to the present day.
Mystry Babylon the great is a religius system based on the Hiero Gamos,
http://www.dhushara.com/book/hieros/hieros.htm and incorporated into the Roman Catholic, Protestent, and Eastern orthdox rites.Even more so now as a "New Age litergy is introduced as is revealed by the above website.
But even more outragous is it's blatent apperance as the main sit for International Law.
http://www.hg.org/
The point I am attempting to make is that both "Western Democricy and eastern Socialism claim to give power to the people. And the people cannot bare to make and enforce law's against themselves. So every day we have more laws and more rich and poor law breakers. These two systems are the feet of clay of Rome, the UN/EAU., and the political State of Israel.
Remember Satan was kicked out of Heaven for his much merchindising.
And who weeps when the GREAT Global Religious system of MONEY LOVE falls?
Only the merchants with ships at sea carring things nobody is buying will weep for the GREAT harlot that made them rich..
The answer, trust Jesus and let him guide you in the way of rightousness. The wicked powers will continue until Jesus himself returns from above.
Its time for the "Voice of Many Waters to speak the message of Jesus Christ through all of us.
Jerusalem is the KEY. Should I ever go there I must expect to be killed for preaching and teaching the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Praise OUR FATHER in HEAVEN, learning from HIS SON, JESUS Christ is not boring.
Holy Holy Holy

Hitch · Dec 26, 2004

Notice God does not send these two witnesses/prophets to a city in Iraq or to Rome or to any other city in the world exept Jerusalem , so why do you think God will send these two prophets to Jerusalem at the time of the end , what is happening there that ticks God off to the point that he will again send prophets unto the nation of Israel.

Rev 1:1
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
(KJV)

Since you can find more than two thousand years in things which must shortly come to pass; make up anything you want, what possible difference could it make?

Take care

Hitch

Brain Damage · Dec 27, 2004

Just The Facts said:
Hi Brain

I do understand what you are saying I just find NO SCRTIPTURE to back that this is for the jews .WHERE THE BEEF................... so to speak.

Just answer this question.......why address it to Christian Churches in Asia Minor ...................if it is for Jews in Israel.

I can only guess that there will be jews in Israel turning to christ at that time .

Hey try this one! ....when the angel tells Daniel that the prophecies are for his people at the time of the end , does the angel mean christian jews or orthodox jews ? ....because both groups have Daniels prophecies in their bibles/Tora .

christianfilmcrew · Dec 27, 2004

roflol... BD you're awesome man...!

Did you know that the Chinese Christians are planning on taking the gospel back to Jerusalem?

This news came straight from Voice of the Martyrs... The Gospel has travelled around the world headed west... The latest wave of revival is in China, and the Chinese Christians want to take the Gospel message back to the Jewish people in Israel!...

I'll have to dig up the info for it, but that is their goal...

Also China now has about 200,000,000 men of military age now... Just an interesting piece of trivia... Their army is not big right now, but with all the money from the west pouring into China's economy right now the nation is changing very very rapidly. They do have the population to build an army of 200,000,000

Just The Facts · Dec 27, 2004

Hi Brain

Na that doesn't explain why warn asia minor and christian churches ...all I ask is you keep it in mind the Truth will eventually shine through.(smile)

I have maintained all along that there are more Jews that are Christian then there are Jews that live in Israel Millions upon millions of Jews have become Christian over the centuries ...................I bet there are 50 million people in the world that have Jewish blood in them and they are Christian.............why can the sealed Jews at the end time be these Jews .........where does it say they have to be Jewish in faith...........

The reality is NO ONE GETS SEALED unless they are Christian...................read read read

Brain Damage · Dec 27, 2004

Just The Facts said:
Hi Brain

Na that doesn't explain why warn asia minor and christian churches ...all I ask is you keep it in mind the Truth will eventually shine through.(smile)

I have maintained all along that there are more Jews that are Christian then there are Jews that live in Israel Millions upon millions of Jews have become Christian over the centuries ...................I bet there are 50 million people in the world that have Jewish blood in them and they are Christian.............why can the sealed Jews at the end time be these Jews .........where does it say they have to be Jewish in faith...........

The reality is NO ONE GETS SEALED unless they are Christian...................read read read

Like you i also believe that , but there are some things written that i still can't get a grip on , like this :

Then I looked, and behold, a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Father's name written on their foreheads.

I'm pretty sure that you will agree with me that these are not the JWs...lol

It doesn't say that they have jesus name written on their foreheads , it says they have jesus fathers name .

How do you see this ?

brother daniel · Dec 27, 2004

Everything Jesus teaches us is from OUR FATHER.
Jesus tells us we can call OUR FATHER. Abba.
Its all very personal. Jesus Christ is our first born brother and friend.
OUR FATHER likes it that way.
Like Jesus,we must be about OUR FATHER'S BUSINESS

Brain Damage · Dec 27, 2004

brother daniel said:
Everything Jesus teaches us is from OUR FATHER.
Jesus tells us we can call OUR FATHER. Abba.
Its all very personal. Jesus Christ is our first born brother and friend.
OUR FATHER likes it that way.
Like Jesus,we must be about OUR FATHER'S BUSINESS

Yes but this young fella has a name written on the little box on his forehead , and the name is "SHIN" , it's one of many of the God of Abraham , Isacc and Jacobs names.

Justme · Dec 27, 2004

Hi Christianfilm,

Also China now has about 200,000,000 men of military age now... Just an interesting piece of trivia... Their army is not big right now, but with all the money from the west pouring into China's economy right now the nation is changing very very rapidly. They do have the population to build an army of 200,000,000

However, these are 'mounted' soldiers and there are only 11 million horses in China, 66 million in the whole planet. She's not a go, yet.

Justme

visionary · Dec 27, 2004

Gods plan for the salvation of humanity is shown by the seven feasts He gave to ancient Israel in Leviticus 23. God told the people of Israel to celebrate these feasts as "lasting ordinances." The seven feasts are patterns that describe the two comings of Jesus Christ While most Jewish people still celebrate the feasts, its unfortunate that many dont understand Jesus fulfillment of them, and thus miss the Christ that was sent for their salvation. It is also unfortunate that most dont study and learn about the feasts, let alone celebrate the feasts, for if they did then they would more clearly see how the feasts symbolize Jesus work both for His first coming and His second. They could then better understand and praise God and rejoice in His plan for the salvation, for they would see His plan laid out in the feasts.

As we get into more detail, you will understand why so many of these ceremonial sabbaths are called "feasts" as they are truly wonderful spiritual food essential for the last days. Each different and each very beneficial for the body of the bride.

Leviticus 23:4 In addition to the Sabbath, the Lord has established festivals, the holy occasions to be observed at the proper time each year.

The word occasions in this verse in the KJV translation has been translated as convocations in others really means rehearsals. Any time you have rehearsals, you have the appointed time when it will no longer be a rehearsal, it will be the real thing. If you understand the rehearsals, then you will know what is your role is in the last drama that will involve the whole world will be. The reason Jerusalem is so important, it is the appointed place.

You can learn the role that God wants you to have, or you will be caught up in the greatest deception this world has ever seen. The feasts are alluded to in

Colossians 2:16-17 So dont let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new-moon ceremonies or Sabbaths. For these rules were only shadows of the real thing, Christ himself.

I will try to show the accuracy in which Jesus fulfilled the spring feasts at His first appearance. It should lead you to believe the fall feasts will also have their fulfillment with His second coming. In understanding the rehearsals of the fall feasts and the implied implications of the reality involvement dealing with His second coming, we should then be better prepared for the end times, having a better understanding of where we are to spiritually be, spiritually better prepared for what is to come upon the earth, and truly closer to the Lord that He may protect us from what is soon to come upon the earth.

The Lord made a special announcement regarding three of the feasts in which there is a demand for everyone to attend and not miss.

2 Chronicles 8:13 Even after a certain rate every day, offering according to the commandment of Moses, on the sabbaths, and on the new moons, and on the solemn feasts, three times in the year, even in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles.

The basic meaning of the three festivals where it is mandatory for all men to appear before the temple of God are for the blessing contained within.

Pesach or Passover is known as the festival of freedom from bondage. Freedom from the bondage of the Pharoahs of our life. Through the sacrifice and blood of our Lord Jesus on the cross, we have freedom from sin. Sin, the leaven that we are to no longer partake of.

Shavuot better known as the Feasts of Weeks or Pentecost is the festival of walking in freedom towards the promised land. At the first Pentecost people were given the Laws of God that are to govern our day to day life, as shown to Moses on Mount Sinai. This is also the time of the first fruits of the harvest of believers that received the Holy Spirit.

Sukkot or Feast of Tabernacles is the festival of fellowship and union with God, with a God with us understanding. As was illustrated in the forty years in the wilderness, with God dwelling with his people in the tabernacle and latter in the temple at Jerusalem, it is the ultimate goal of God to be with us. In the great ingathering at the end of time, where the believers are raptured as the wife of the Lamb. It is forever that God wishes to have this union with man.

As we have mentioned, the Sabbath is not included in the cycle of seven festivals. The weekly Sabbath runs through the year. The weekly Sabbath stand alone as one of the commandments that is written in stone, as immutable as the other nine commandments. It is the unifying underlying significant commandment that God tells His People to Remember because of its significant role in the ultimate plan of Gods salvation for His people.

Ex: 31:13: Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily MY Sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between you and ME throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am God that doth sanctify you.

The Sabbaths are not called the Jewish Sabbaths, God calls them MY Sabbaths.

We have significant reasons for studying the festivals as they are of God and are considered Holy Convocations. Convocations are like conventions where people are called to be at a certain time and place, and assembled with the understanding that they are to learn something that is important for their future health and welfare. All festivals are a memorial of the historical events, prophetic indicating they have a future complete fulfillment, teach about the Jesus our Redeemers work, and are agricultural in content representing Jesuss crop from the planting of seed to the last great harvest. All of the festivals teach you about your personal relationship with God and how a believer should grow in the knowledge of Jesus, growing into maturity and into His likeness.

Jerusalem is the place where all the spring time feasts were fulfilled, and Jerusalem is also the place where the all kingdoms will gather to battle over. Jerusalem is the place where Satan wants to rule from, where the temple will be rebuilt. Jerusalem is where the controversies will have their climax.

brother daniel · Dec 27, 2004

From where I sit, we are before the JUDGEMENT SEAT OF OUR FATHER in HEAVEN at this moment. Jesus Christ our Lord has shed his own BLOOD for us.
We are called to pray for the peace of Jerusalem. Jesus the Christ is the PEACE OF JERUSALEM. There will be no peace in the seven hilled city of Jerusalem until our Lord Jesus returns.
This forum has high visibility. The time is short. Make the best of it, Redeem the time.

Brain Damage · Dec 27, 2004

visionary said:
Gods plan for the salvation of humanity is shown by the seven feasts He gave to ancient Israel in Leviticus 23. God told the people of Israel to celebrate these feasts as "lasting ordinances." The seven feasts are patterns that describe the two comings of Jesus Christ While most Jewish people still celebrate the feasts, its unfortunate that many dont understand Jesus fulfillment of them, and thus miss the Christ that was sent for their salvation. It is also unfortunate that most dont study and learn about the feasts, let alone celebrate the feasts, for if they did then they would more clearly see how the feasts symbolize Jesus work both for His first coming and His second. They could then better understand and praise God and rejoice in His plan for the salvation, for they would see His plan laid out in the feasts.

As we get into more detail, you will understand why so many of these ceremonial sabbaths are called "feasts" as they are truly wonderful spiritual food essential for the last days. Each different and each very beneficial for the body of the bride.

Leviticus 23:4 In addition to the Sabbath, the Lord has established festivals, the holy occasions to be observed at the proper time each year.

The word occasions in this verse in the KJV translation has been translated as convocations in others really means rehearsals. Any time you have rehearsals, you have the appointed time when it will no longer be a rehearsal, it will be the real thing. If you understand the rehearsals, then you will know what is your role is in the last drama that will involve the whole world will be. The reason Jerusalem is so important, it is the appointed place.

You can learn the role that God wants you to have, or you will be caught up in the greatest deception this world has ever seen. The feasts are alluded to in

Colossians 2:16-17 So dont let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new-moon ceremonies or Sabbaths. For these rules were only shadows of the real thing, Christ himself.

I will try to show the accuracy in which Jesus fulfilled the spring feasts at His first appearance. It should lead you to believe the fall feasts will also have their fulfillment with His second coming. In understanding the rehearsals of the fall feasts and the implied implications of the reality involvement dealing with His second coming, we should then be better prepared for the end times, having a better understanding of where we are to spiritually be, spiritually better prepared for what is to come upon the earth, and truly closer to the Lord that He may protect us from what is soon to come upon the earth.

The Lord made a special announcement regarding three of the feasts in which there is a demand for everyone to attend and not miss.

2 Chronicles 8:13 Even after a certain rate every day, offering according to the commandment of Moses, on the sabbaths, and on the new moons, and on the solemn feasts, three times in the year, even in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles.

The basic meaning of the three festivals where it is mandatory for all men to appear before the temple of God are for the blessing contained within.

Pesach or Passover is known as the festival of freedom from bondage. Freedom from the bondage of the Pharoahs of our life. Through the sacrifice and blood of our Lord Jesus on the cross, we have freedom from sin. Sin, the leaven that we are to no longer partake of.

Shavuot better known as the Feasts of Weeks or Pentecost is the festival of walking in freedom towards the promised land. At the first Pentecost people were given the Laws of God that are to govern our day to day life, as shown to Moses on Mount Sinai. This is also the time of the first fruits of the harvest of believers that received the Holy Spirit.

Sukkot or Feast of Tabernacles is the festival of fellowship and union with God, with a God with us understanding. As was illustrated in the forty years in the wilderness, with God dwelling with his people in the tabernacle and latter in the temple at Jerusalem, it is the ultimate goal of God to be with us. In the great ingathering at the end of time, where the believers are raptured as the wife of the Lamb. It is forever that God wishes to have this union with man.

As we have mentioned, the Sabbath is not included in the cycle of seven festivals. The weekly Sabbath runs through the year. The weekly Sabbath stand alone as one of the commandments that is written in stone, as immutable as the other nine commandments. It is the unifying underlying significant commandment that God tells His People to Remember because of its significant role in the ultimate plan of Gods salvation for His people.

Ex: 31:13: Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily MY Sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between you and ME throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am God that doth sanctify you.

The Sabbaths are not called the Jewish Sabbaths, God calls them MY Sabbaths.

We have significant reasons for studying the festivals as they are of God and are considered Holy Convocations. Convocations are like conventions where people are called to be at a certain time and place, and assembled with the understanding that they are to learn something that is important for their future health and welfare. All festivals are a memorial of the historical events, prophetic indicating they have a future complete fulfillment, teach about the Jesus our Redeemers work, and are agricultural in content representing Jesuss crop from the planting of seed to the last great harvest. All of the festivals teach you about your personal relationship with God and how a believer should grow in the knowledge of Jesus, growing into maturity and into His likeness.

Jerusalem is the place where all the spring time feasts were fulfilled, and Jerusalem is also the place where the all kingdoms will gather to battle over. Jerusalem is the place where Satan wants to rule from, where the temple will be rebuilt. Jerusalem is where the controversies will have their climax.

Absolutely exellent post visionary....10 out of 10 bro....

And i particulary like what Paul had to say about them , "THESE ARE A SHADOW OF THINGS TO COME".

Brain Damage · Dec 27, 2004

brother daniel said:
There will be no peace in the seven hilled city of Jerusalem until our Lord Jesus returns

I like the fact that you said "SEVEN HILLED" ....

brother daniel · Dec 27, 2004

Here is what I find concerning Jerusalem in the end time.
Isaiah 1
1"The vision of Isaiah the son of Amoz, which he saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem"
2Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth: for the LORD hath spoken, I have nourished and brought up children, and they have rebelled against me.
4Ah sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evildoers, children that are corrupters: they have forsaken the LORD, they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone away backward.
9Except the LORD of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant, we should have been as Sodom, and we should have been like unto Gomorrah.
10Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah. (Men with men and women with women)

These words could apply to the three elected horns of the ROMAN BEAST, Isreal,, "CHRISTIAN" England and the United States of today.
12When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?
13Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is
iniquity, even the solemn meeting.
14Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.
16Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;
17Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.
18Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
19If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:

*221How is the faithful city become an harlot! it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers.
23Thy princes are rebellious, and companions of thieves: every one loveth gifts, and followeth after rewards: they judge not the fatherless, neither doth the cause of the widow come unto them.

*Nahum 3:3-5* 4 Because of the multitude of the whoredoms of the well favoured harlot, the mistress of witchcrafts, that selleth nations through her
whoredoms, and families through her witchcrafts.

Sounds like "Mystery Babylon the GREAT harlot"

5Behold, I am against thee, saith the LORD of hosts; and I will discover thy skirts upon thy face, and I will shew the nations thy nakedness, and the
kingdoms thy shame.
Zephaniah 1:3-5****
***4I will also stretch out mine hand upon Judah, and upon all the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and I will cut off the remnant of Baal from this place, and the
name of the Chemarims with the priests;
5And them that worship the host of heaven upon the housetops;(THE SIX POINTED STAR) and them that worship and that swear by the LORD, and that swear by Malcham;

**Malachi 2:10-12
10Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our
fathers?
**11Judah hath dealt treacherously, and an abomination is committed in Israel and in Jerusalem; for Judah hath profaned the holiness of the LORD which
he loved, and hath married the daughter of a strange god.
12The LORD will cut off the man that doeth this, the master and the scholar, out of the tabernacles of Jacob, and him that offereth an offering unto the
LORD of hosts.
And still OUR FATHER will have mercy on a reminent. Praise the Lord.Jesus is Lord.

*

visionary · Dec 30, 2004

Jeremiah 11:5 That I may perform the oath which I have sworn unto your fathers, to give them a land flowing with milk and honey, as it is this day. Then answered I, and said, So be it, O LORD. 6 Then the LORD said unto me, Proclaim all these words in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem, saying, Hear ye the words of this covenant, and do them. 7 For I earnestly protested unto your fathers in the day that I brought them up out of the land of Egypt, even unto this day, rising early and protesting, saying, Obey my voice.

Every covenant is based upon the two covenant parties each doing their part. In order for God to fulfill His part, we have to fulfill ours.

brother daniel · Dec 30, 2004

AMEN with OUR FATHER ALL THINGS ARE POSSABLE.
We are here now in the NAME OF JESUS CHRIST and OUR PRAYERS ARE BEING HEARD.

"I saw the HOLY CITY, the NEW JERUSALEM,Coming down out of HEAVEN from GOD"
We are some of its LIVELY STONES.

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