Wearing crosses??

Ave Maria · Dec 9, 2004

puriteen18 said:
A graven image is just that a graven image. A crucifix is a graven image. It is meant to represent God. And even if you do consider that to only be speaking of ancient pagan idols, there are other verses.

Please provide the other verses. Ask any Bible scholar and most pastors and they will gladly tell you that a graven image is an idol that the Ancient Pagans worshipped and not religious jewelry.

puriteen18 said:
Leviticus, though not speaking of religious jewelry directly, many times speaks against susperstitions:observing times and omens.

What is so superstitious about wearing a cross? Maybe people who wear one for protection against demonic forces is a bit superstitious but most people wear one just because they like them and think they're pretty.

puriteen18 said:
We are not to be a superstitious people. We are to trust in God alone.

I'm not sure I've heard of this before. The idea that we're supposed to trust in God alone sounds familiar but not the one about superstition. Bible verses?

puriteen18 said:
We are living under the New Covenant. Things which were consealed in the old are now revealed.

What exactly do you mean?

puriteen18 said:
The ceremonial law is no more effect because we know the Truth revealed. It is not hidden. Why must we add fetishes to our pure faith?

Sacrifices are no longer required for forgiveness of sins. Yes, ceremonial law is no longer in effect.

puriteen18 said:
We have God the Father through God the Son and by God the Spirit. Why do we need a man-make made peice of medal.

We don't necessarily need the cross necklace. It's just nice to have.

puriteen18 said:
What is the difference from putting hope in a medal cross, a rabbit's foot, or a bronze idol? We should only hope in God, anything else is an idol.

As far as I know, most people don't put their hope in a cross necklace or any other trinkets such as a rabbit's foot.

puriteen18 said:
I was not speak of specifically crosses here, but of adorning the body. Actually, the example I gave (post #12) was about my own sin of vanity with a hemp bracelet.

Hey, if you felt it was wrong, then maybe it was wrong for you. I feel that wearing religious jewelry is a matter of personal conscience.

puriteen18 said:
Please return to earlier in this thread and read post #12. In it I exlained the reasoning.

I'd rather address this post for now. I'll address that one later if I get the time.

puriteen18 said:
Just to clarify my opinion, I do not think the sin is in the wearing of a cross. I myself wear a small pewter medalion with a cross on it.

Then what exactly are you condemning? The wearing of a cross or what? I'm thoroughly confused now.

Personally, I think that things like saying a person can't wear jewelry are just legalistic things that Jesus would not want us to have a part of.

God Bless,
Holly :wave:

feo · Dec 9, 2004

puriteen18 said:
It is the "jesus", the corpas, which, yes, is intended to represent God.

Yes Jesus was God- although I'd like to think the Jesus on the cross represents atonement.

puriteen18 · Dec 9, 2004

Holly3278 said:
Please provide the other verses. Ask any Bible scholar and most pastors and they will gladly tell you that a graven image is an idol that the Ancient Pagans worshipped and not religious jewelry.

The other verses were the ones from Leviticus. It tells us not to observe times, omens, and to not practice magic.

It seems that we may deduce that other superstitions would also be not uniform to Christian practice.

Fetishes are superstitious, idolatrous, and in a sense an attempt at magic.

Yes, I'm sure most modern "pastors" and "scholars" would not object to a great many things.

Holly3278 said:
What is so superstitious about wearing a cross? Maybe people who wear one for protection against demonic forces is a bit superstitious but most people wear one just because they like them and think they're pretty.

Did you not read post #24, the one you commented on in post #26?

Holly3278 said:
I'm not sure I've heard of this before. The idea that we're supposed to trust in God alone sounds familiar but not the one about superstition. Bible verses?

The verses in Leviticus. Plus, putting trust in something other than God is idolatry.

Holly3278 said:
What exactly do you mean?

That which was hidden in the ceremonial law, was revealed in the work of Christ.

Holly3278 said:
Sacrifices are no longer required for forgiveness of sins. Yes, ceremonial law is no longer in effect.

Then why must we add things, like hoping in crosses.

Holly3278 said:
We don't necessarily need the cross necklace. It's just nice to have.

Never made an argument against this.

Holly3278 said:
As far as I know, most people don't put their hope in a cross necklace or any other trinkets such as a rabbit's foot.

Once again, did you not read post #24? Putting hope in the man-made trinket of a medal cross is wrong.

Holly3278 said:
Hey, if you felt it was wrong, then maybe it was wrong for you. I feel that wearing religious jewelry is a matter of personal conscience.

The argument of "personal conscience" is many times perverted and just used as an excuse for sin.

Holly3278 said:
Then what exactly are you condemning? The wearing of a cross or what? I'm thoroughly confused now.

I was condemning nothing. The Bible teaches that vanity, idolatry, and religious pride are all wrong.

Please read post #12 in this thread so that my reasoning, and my purpose may be explained.

Holly3278 said:
Personally, I think that things like saying a person can't wear jewelry are just legalistic things that Jesus would not want us to have a part of.

It was not the wearing of jewelry I spoke against.

Wearing expensive, flashy jewelry, and taking too much concern with your appearance are both sins of vanity.

Wearing the cross out of religious pride is wrong.

Putting trust in anything other than God is idolatry.

Making a graven image of "god" is wrong.

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And since you brought out the word "legalistic"......

Remember I Timothy 2:9

In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array.

It appears that Jesus, through his Apostle, would teach against wearing expensive things.

Claiming that something is "legalistic" is many times just another way of excusing sin.

Legalism is wrong, but obedience does not equal legalism.

Legalism says "You must be this good."

Obedience, on the other hand, is a product of Grace, in which a person, acknowledging their wickedness, nevertheless strives to please God.

puriteen18 · Dec 9, 2004

feo said:
Yes Jesus was God- although I'd like to think the Jesus on the cross represents atonement.

I used to have the same idea. But it doesn't matter what we'd like to think. It matters what we are commanded to do. We are commanded not to make any graven image of a god.

Angel of Harmony · Dec 9, 2004

I have worn a necklace with a cross on it frequently since I was a child. I own about three necklaces with crosses on them.

SumTinWong · Dec 9, 2004

Angel of Harmony said:
I have worn a necklace with a cross on it frequently since I was a child. I own about three necklaces with crosses on them.

By the way welcome Angel of Harmony

Ave Maria · Dec 9, 2004

Nevermind, I think I accidently responded to the same post twice. :o

Ave Maria · Dec 9, 2004

puriteen18 said:
The other verses were the ones from Leviticus. It tells us not to observe times, omens, and to not practice magic.

What does any of that have to do with wearing a cross?

puriteen18 said:
It seems that we may deduce that other superstitions would also be not uniform to Christian practice.

How is wearing a cross a superstition?

puriteen18 said:
Fetishes are superstitious, idolatrous, and in a sense an attempt at magic.

Sorry but I fail to understand your reasoning here.

puriteen18 said:
Yes, I'm sure most modern "pastors" and "scholars" would not object to a great many things.

I was referring to all scholars which includes both Fundamentalist and Conservative scholars. Even they agree with that.

puriteen18 said:
Did you not read post #24, the one you commented on in post #26?

Yes, I read it.

puriteen18 said:
The verses in Leviticus. Plus, putting trust in something other than God is idolatry.

Please quote these verses.

puriteen18 said:
That which was hidden in the ceremonial law, was revealed in the work of Christ.

What exactly are you referring to and what relevancy does this have to this discussion?

puriteen18 said:
Then why must we add things, like hoping in crosses.

Never in my life have I met someone who put their hope in a metal cross.

puriteen18 said:
Never made an argument against this.

OK.

puriteen18 said:
Once again, did you not read post #24? Putting hope in the man-made trinket of a medal cross is wrong.

Yes, I read it. Perhaps you should quote it and explain what you're talking about because apparently I'm missing something.

puriteen18 said:
The argument of "personal conscience" is many times perverted and just used as an excuse for sin.

The argument of personal conscience is logical and can be practically and rightly applied to this situation.

puriteen18 said:
I was condemning nothing. The Bible teaches that vanity, idolatry, and religious pride are all wrong.

And how is wearing a cross exhibiting any of those traits? I can see how you might get the religous pride thing but I honestly have never met someone who seemed to be prideful and who also wore a cross. In fact, most of them seem to be quite humble.

puriteen18 said:
Please read post #12 in this thread so that my reasoning, and my purpose may be explained.

I've already read that post.

puriteen18 said:
It was not the wearing of jewelry I spoke against.

Then what was it because I don't recall or understand.

puriteen18 said:
Wearing expensive, flashy jewelry, and taking too much concern with your appearance are both sins of vanity.

Define vanity. The definition I read says having excessive pride in one's accomplishments or appearance. Maybe this is just my experience but I honestly don't think I've ever met a Christian who had "excessive pride".

puriteen18 said:
Wearing the cross out of religious pride is wrong.

I agree.

puriteen18 said:
Putting trust in anything other than God is idolatry.

Once again, I have never met anyone who put their trust or hope in a cross.

puriteen18 said:
Making a graven image of "god" is wrong.

A cross is not an image of God. It is an image of an empty cross.

puriteen18 said:
And since you brought out the word "legalistic"......

Remember I Timothy 2:9

In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array.

It appears that Jesus, through his Apostle, would teach against wearing expensive things.

Claiming that something is "legalistic" is many times just another way of excusing sin.

Legalism is wrong, but obedience does not equal legalism.

Legalism says "You must be this good."

Obedience, on the other hand, is a product of Grace, in which a person, acknowledging their wickedness, nevertheless strives to please God.

The legalistic argument still stands. Saying that women cannot wear jewelry or that wearing a cross is a sin or whatever you are trying to argue is legalism.

I cannot remember exactly how the 1 Timothy 2:9 argument is addressed but there is an explanation for it. A Fundamentalist Baptist pastor explained this to me once. If I find the explanation, I'll try and remember to post it here.

puriteen18 · Dec 10, 2004

Holly3278 said:
What does any of that have to do with wearing a cross?.

It has to do with thinking that a cross can protect you from evil.

Holly3278 said:
How is wearing a cross a superstition?.

If you think that wear it will protect you from evil, it is a superstition.

Holly3278 said:
Sorry but I fail to understand your reasoning here..

Putting hope in any object, other that God, to protect you from evil is superstitious and a form of idolatry.

Holly3278 said:
I was referring to all scholars which includes both Fundamentalist and Conservative scholars. Even they agree with that..

"Modern" includes any who deny historical interpretation of Scripture. Most fundamentalists and "conservative" persons are not consisdent with historical Christianity. They reinterpret scripture and will have nothing to do with an endeavor to study what the Church has taught for years.

Holly3278 said:
Yes, I read it..

Well, this is what I am speaking against. Putting hope in a bit of metal.

Holly3278 said:
Please quote these verses..

Lev. 19:26,

Holly3278 said:
What exactly are you referring to and what relevancy does this have to this discussion? .

God has revealed Himself to us. We need not return to Jewish ceremony or pagan superstition.

Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods. But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.

Holly3278 said:
Never in my life have I met someone who put their hope in a metal cross..

You met someone in post #24 that did.

Holly3278 said:
Yes, I read it. Perhaps you should quote it and explain what you're talking about because apparently I'm missing something..

The author said that she thought that the cross protected her from certain "forces", one can only assume that she means demonic.

Holly3278 said:
The argument of personal conscience is logical and can be practically and rightly applied to this situation..

Logic and practically do not over ride the orthodox teaching of the Scriptures.

Holly3278 said:
And how is wearing a cross exhibiting any of those traits? I can see how you might get the religous pride thing but I honestly have never met someone who seemed to be prideful and who also wore a cross. In fact, most of them seem to be quite humble..

In Jesus's day, the Scribes walked about in their long religious robes hoping for men to see them as super religious.

Today the "scribes" walk about in Christian T-shirts and crosses.

Is it a sin to wear a robe? No.

Is it a sin to wear a cross? No.

Is it a sin to be prideful about religion? Yes.

Holly3278 said:
I've already read that post. .

Then do you just want to argue with me?

I really don't understand why you are asking all these questions that my first post seemed to be pretty complete on.

Holly3278 said:
Then what was it because I don't recall or understand..

It is not a sin to wear a plain, simple cross.

It is not right to wear one of expensive, flashy material. That is vanity.

It is not right to hope that it will protect you from evil. That is a fetish, a superstition, and basically idolatry.

It is not right to wear one in the hopes of looking like a super-Christian or something.

Holly3278 said:
Define vanity. The definition I read says having excessive pride in one's accomplishments or appearance. Maybe this is just my experience but I honestly don't think I've ever met a Christian who had "excessive pride"..

Weary expensive jewelry or putting alot of worth in material items to show them off to make you look good is vanity.

Holly3278 said:
Once again, I have never met anyone who put their trust or hope in a cross..

You did in post #24.

Holly3278 said:
A cross is not an image of God. It is an image of an empty cross..

I'm sorry I did not clarify. That one sentence was dealing specifically with crucifixes.

Holly3278 said:
The legalistic argument still stands. Saying that women cannot wear jewelry or that wearing a cross is a sin or whatever you are
trying to argue is legalism..

I did not say that one must not wear any jewelry or that wearing a cross was wrong. If you would please go back and actually read post #12 you would see that I never argued wearing a cross was wrong.

However, there are somethings which the Bible teaches are to ritzy for a Christian person. Such as the quote from I Timothy.

Are you saying that the Scripture is legalistic.

Holly3278 said:
I cannot remember exactly how the 1 Timothy 2:9 argument is addressed but there is an explanation for it. A Fundamentalist Baptist pastor explained this to me once. If I find the explanation, I'll try and remember to post it here.

This is exactly what I am talking about with modern "pastors". They explain away the Bible so that we can permit what we want.

We can wear fancy jewelry now.

Men can wear hats during times of reverence, and women don't have to cover their heads anymore.

Women and divorced men can be ordained as ministers now.

We don't have to observe the LORD's Day anymore.

Hey, and we can even "get saved" now just by reciting some "magic" prayer after a preacher ( a practice not found ONE place in the entirety of the Bible and Church history) .

The point is that just because some one reinterprets the Bible how they want to today does not make it a right interpretation.

There must be proof of it as an historically orthodox interpretation. How did the Apostle's disciples interpret Scriptures, the Church Fathers, the Reformers?

Ask a "preacher" today what this verse means, and ask a minister from 400 years ago and you get a very different answer.

Most modern "theology" has been corupted by modern philosophies of feminism, neo-humanism, liberation movements, "tolerance" movements, and other such anti-Christ nonsense.

LostnFound · Dec 10, 2004

Holy SMOKES, this has gotten complicated. I don't worship my cross. I just wear it. It's a lot lighter than carrying my bible around everywhere. It has no underlying meaning. Simply a small statement of faith. It's also started a few very productive conversations!

Angel of Harmony · Dec 10, 2004

Uncle Bud said:
By the way welcome Angel of Harmony

Thanks!

Ave Maria · Dec 10, 2004

puriteen18 said:
It has to do with thinking that a cross can protect you from evil.

Now maybe this is just my experience but I have never met someone with that mindset.

puriteen18 said:
If you think that wear it will protect you from evil, it is a superstition.

I don't think that and I don't know anyone who does either. Oh, and please quote book, chapter, and verse where the Bible explicitly says superstition is wrong.

puriteen18 said:
Putting hope in any object, other that God, to protect you from evil is superstitious and a form of idolatry.

Possibly. I always assumed that it was the worship of an object that is idolatry. At least that's what the dictionary says:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/idolatry said:
i·dol·a·try (

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)(Religion)
n. pl. i·dol·a·tries 1. Worship of idols.
2. Blind or excessive devotion to something.

puriteen18 said:
"Modern" includes any who deny historical interpretation of Scripture. Most fundamentalists and "conservative" persons are not consisdent with historical Christianity. They reinterpret scripture and will have nothing to do with an endeavor to study what the Church has taught for years.

Then what human on this earth is qualified to interpret that verse or even the entire Bible? Is it only you or your pastor?

puriteen18 said:
Well, this is what I am speaking against. Putting hope in a bit of metal.

Lev. 19:26,

This is what Leviticus 19:26 states in multible Bible translations:

(NIV) Leviticus 19:26 " 'Do not eat any meat with the blood still in it. " 'Do not practice divination or sorcery.

(NASB) Leviticus 19:26 'You shall not eat anything with the blood, nor practice divination or soothsaying.

(KJV) Leviticus 19:26 Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, nor observe times.

(ESV) Leviticus 19:26 "You shall not eat any flesh with the blood in it. You shall not interpret omens or tell fortunes.

(HCSB) Leviticus 19:26 "You are not to eat [anything] with blood [in it]. You are not to practice divination or sorcery.

I fail to understand how wearing a cross could be eating anything with blood in it or the practice of divination and/or sorcery.

puriteen18 said:
God has revealed Himself to us. We need not return to Jewish ceremony or pagan superstition.

I am guessing that you are referring to God's trip to the earth as the fully human Jesus. As for the Jewish ceremony, I agree with that. As for superstition, BCV please.

Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods. But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.

Which verse is this and what translation did you use?

puriteen18 said:
You met someone in post #24 that did.

Who am I to judge her?

puriteen18 said:
The author said that she thought that the cross protected her from certain "forces", one can only assume that she means demonic.

Just because one person believes this doesn't mean that everyone who wears a cross believes it.

puriteen18 said:
Logic and practically do not over ride the orthodox teaching of the Scriptures.

This is a gray area in scripture. God gave us brains for a reason. When it comes to gray areas, it's a matter of personal conscience and prayer.

puriteen18 said:
In Jesus's day, the Scribes walked about in their long religious robes hoping for men to see them as super religious.

That was in Jesus day, not today. Some people today may express vanity over their religion but I have not yet met someone who does. Just because some are wrong doesn't mean all are wrong.

puriteen18 said:
Today the "scribes" walk about in Christian T-shirts and crosses.

And I see absolutely nothing wrong with that. In fact, it can be used for the glory of God. God says to let our light shine. He says not to hide it under a bushel. I cannot recall which Bible verse it is that says this but I know it exists. Maybe someone else will know what verse it is.

puriteen18 said:
Is it a sin to wear a robe? No.

Agreed.

puriteen18 said:
Is it a sin to wear a cross? No.

Agreed.

puriteen18 said:
Is it a sin to be prideful about religion? Yes.

Perhaps. I believe it depends on how much pride you exhibit. If you exhibit too much pride and are not humble, that is wrong.

puriteen18 said:
Then do you just want to argue with me?

I really don't understand why you are asking all these questions that my first post seemed to be pretty complete on.

I am not arguing. I am debating. I like to debate. But since you have finally cleared yourself up over this whole thing, the debate can end. It seemed all along that you were implying that wearing a cross is a sin.

puriteen18 said:
It is not a sin to wear a plain, simple cross.

I would venture to say that it's not a sin to wear any cross. It's the motives behind the wearer of the cross that matters.

puriteen18 said:
It is not right to wear one of expensive, flashy material. That is vanity.

Are you going to offer blanket judgements to all who wear expensive and flashy crosses? Just because someone wears a cross that is expensive and falshy doesn't mean they are exhibiting vanity.

puriteen18 said:
It is not right to hope that it will protect you from evil. That is a fetish, a superstition, and basically idolatry.

I don't hope it will protect me from evil.

puriteen18 said:
It is not right to wear one in the hopes of looking like a super-Christian or something.

I have never met anyone who had this mindset about wearing a cross.

puriteen18 said:
Weary expensive jewelry or putting alot of worth in material items to show them off to make you look good is vanity.

It depends on the motives of the person wearing it, not the jewelry itself.

puriteen18 said:
I'm sorry I did not clarify. That one sentence was dealing specifically with crucifixes.

Thank you for clarifying.

puriteen18 said:
I did not say that one must not wear any jewelry or that wearing a cross was wrong. If you would please go back and actually read post #12 you would see that I never argued wearing a cross was wrong.

Maybe you didn't. All I know is that it appeared to me and others I am sure that you were saying that wearing a cross is wrong.

=puriteen18]However, there are somethings which the Bible teaches are to ritzy for a Christian person. Such as the quote from I Timothy.

OK.

puriteen18 said:
Are you saying that the Scripture is legalistic.

No, it's the interpretations of many people that is legalistic.

puriteen18 said:
This is exactly what I am talking about with modern "pastors". They explain away the Bible so that we can permit what we want.

No, they take it into context so that they have a proper understanding of the Bible. You can take verses out of the Bible and condemn just about anything without taking the verse into context.

puriteen18 said:
We can wear fancy jewelry now.

I agree.

puriteen18 said:
Men can wear hats during times of reverence, and women don't have to cover their heads anymore.

I agree.

puriteen18 said:
Women and divorced men can be ordained as ministers now.

I agree.

puriteen18 said:
We don't have to observe the LORD's Day anymore.

I disagree but I don't think that God is going to strike someone dead for going to work on Sunday or sleeping in or something.

Hey, and we can even "get saved" now just by reciting some "magic" prayer after a preacher ( a practice not found ONE place in the entirety of the Bible and Church history) .

The whole sinner's prayer thing is debatable and even I am not certain as to what I believe concerning all of that. Personally, I feel like it's an act of faith in Jesus that saves us and not some prayer.

(NKJV) John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

puriteen18 said:
The point is that just because some one reinterprets the Bible how they want to today does not make it a right interpretation.

It also doesn't automatically make that interpretation wrong.

puriteen18 said:
There must be proof of it as an historically orthodox interpretation. How did the Apostle's disciples interpret Scriptures, the Church Fathers, the Reformers?

That's debatable and is for a different thread.

puriteen18 said:
Ask a "preacher" today what this verse means, and ask a minister from 400 years ago and you get a very different answer.

Are you certain of that? Did you live 400 years ago?

puriteen18 said:
Most modern "theology" has been corupted by modern philosophies of feminism, neo-humanism, liberation movements, "tolerance" movements, and other such anti-Christ nonsense.

That's debatable and is for another thread. I will not debate anything else in this thread besides the cross issue. I have offered my comments but I do not wish to debate on those. I do not want to hijack this thread. If you have concerns about the other issues then start another thread please. I do respect your opinions and want you to know that you are a very good debater.

May God richly bless you!
Holly :wave:

puriteen18 · Dec 10, 2004

My point and reasoning summed up:

On the wearing of crosses-

There is NO sin in the wearing of a cross in itself.

On the wearing of a crucifix-

These ought not be worn because they are a graven image of "god".

On the sins that may include the wearing of a cross-

Vanity-Wearing expensive jewelry or attire is commanded against in the Scriptures. (I Tim 2.9) We ought to adorn ourselves with godliness, not gold and silver.

Religious Pride- Trying to dress or act in such a manner in hopes that others would see you as a religious big-shot is wrong. (Luke 20.46, Matt.23.5 & 6, Mark 12.38 & 39)

Fetishism-The superstitous belief that a cross would poccess supernatural powers is wrong. This is no less than a form of idolatry, putting hope in something which is not God. (Exod 20.4 & 5, Lev. 19.26, Deut. 18.9 & 10, Gal 4.8, 9, & 10)

On the others verses in Lev about superstitious practice-

Earlier I mentioned other verses in Lev., other than 19.26. I apologize, I was recalling more verses in Deut. Mainly 18.9 & 10. I was certain that this passage was in Lev., but they are in Deut. Sorry for the confusion on my part. However, Lev does have other verses that refer to the sins of the practice of magic. The use of a trinket to protect from evil spirits would seem to employ an idea in magic, and an attempt at it.

On the Interpretation of these things-

Biblical interpretation must be subject to what has been historically understood, what is orthodox. If we will not have any authority in our interpretation we may pervert Scripture in whatever way our depraved minds can find.

If an interpretation does not match up to the sum of what has been taught in Church History then it is not orthodox and is wrong. We are warned of new doctrines that will creep into the Church by means of false prophets.

The whole meaning of being Protestant is to strive to return to the uncorrupted faith of the early church.

Many practices have changed, such as headcoverings, men's and women's roles in the church, wearing of "costly array", the path of conversion, and many, many other new practices which are contrary to the orthodox understanding of things.

We can't just change a practice to suite our culture and times. We are to rise upon culture and times and keep constant to our faith. No matter how it goes against the worldly ideas of the modern "church".
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That is all I can say. I cannot make it anymore clear. I lack the skill.

Nevertheless, please read my first post, #12, and see that I never said that wearing a cross was a sin, but that a person's motive in wearing it may well be a sinful motive, in which they ought not wear one.

I meant never to judge anyone. I am nothing but a wretch that cannot even begin to understand the depth of my digusting rebellion in the eyes of our God.

However, where the Bible speaks, and where orthodoxy and orthopraxis speak, there too so must I. This is the truth, and as a Christian I must proclaim the truth. And always in love, I hope I have not done so otherwise. Please forgive me if it seemed so. Many times you cannot plainly express yourself just typing on a message board.

May Grace abound.

Ave Maria · Dec 10, 2004

puriteen18 said:
My point and reasoning summed up:

On the wearing of crosses-

There is NO sin in the wearing of a cross in itself.

On the wearing of a crucifix-

These ought not be worn because they are a graven image of "god".

No, wearing a cross is not idolatry. What is the difference between wearing a cross and a crucifix? Why is wearing a cross OK but wearing a crucifix is not?

BT · Dec 11, 2004

I wear a fedora with a KJV (full sized) bible tucked into the band. That way everyone knows what I stand for. This often causes trouble for me when I get on the bus, once or twice I've knocked myself backwards and fell back out again and for some reason the driver quickly slams the door and drives off.

prettyrose436 · Dec 11, 2004

wow-- when i posted this question i had NO IDEA that it would get this intense!! I personally think that it is okay to wear a cross that does not have an image of Jesus on it (so just the cross). I wear a small white gold cross with a diamond in it that I got for my 16th birthday. I think it is fine to wear jewlry other than a cross too. (I bring that up only because I read it elsewhere in this thread.) I think that it is a form of legalism when one judges that a Christian person cant wear a discreet cross. Okay thats my thoughts from this. I could say a lot more but I don't have enough time to go through every thing and comment (wish I could though).
God bless you and remember 1 Corithians 13:4-7 :-D

labellady · Dec 11, 2004

I personally do not wear one. It is a personal choice.

Ave Maria · Dec 11, 2004

labellady said:
I personally do not wear one. It is a personal choice.

Amen! It is indeed a personal choice.

FreeinChrist · Dec 12, 2004

BT said:
I wear a fedora with a KJV (full sized) bible tucked into the band. That way everyone knows what I stand for. This often causes trouble for me when I get on the bus, once or twice I've knocked myself backwards and fell back out again and for some reason the driver quickly slams the door and drives off.

okay.... You don't mention getting a concussion....so is it just the fact that the fedora is so tall or that the Bible is so big that is in the band? :scratch:

I'm picturing this in my min.....don't think I have ever seen a person wear a full sized Bible on their head before.........

feo · Dec 12, 2004

prettyrose436 said:
wow-- when i posted this question i had NO IDEA that it would get this intense!! I personally think that it is okay to wear a cross that does not have an image of Jesus on it (so just the cross). I wear a small white gold cross with a diamond in it that I got for my 16th birthday. I think it is fine to wear jewlry other than a cross too. (I bring that up only because I read it elsewhere in this thread.) I think that it is a form of legalism when one judges that a Christian person cant wear a discreet cross. Okay thats my thoughts from this. I could say a lot more but I don't have enough time to go through every thing and comment (wish I could though).
God bless you and remember 1 Corithians 13:4-7 :-D

I personally wear a beautiful gold crucifix... and I think it is a form of legalism when one judges that a Christian person cant wear such a thing

Wearing crosses??

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