Left Behind

engrapho- that stuff makes a lot of sense. I will have to do a real study on the end times (i've been putting that off for a while ) but you have given verses that firmly support what you are saying, I have yet to see pre trib verses that are more than vauge at best. Thank you for the verses, I will go and read Daniel around those and see what I can find

aforchrist33

I figured out where the post # is and yes. I thought because it was under that thread it was understood. You know if I say 'go', it is understood 'you go'. I'm not sure what you call that, reciprocal clause maybe? Anyway I am sorry if I have offended you. Please forgive me. One can not be sure of any emotions behind typed words, and I think I have posted sometimes in the wrong place. Anyway I'm asking God to help me not attack people's character just because they are at a different place with their walk in the Lord. (Not to say I am at the best 'walk'.

I Remember in about 1980 +/-, That I was a King James only (a big one I carried), anti-tongues, anti-calvanist (still wrestle with calvin) I was mean and went around crushing anyone who I thought was in error. Believe me I am still capable! God forgive me. I have things pop in my head to say... and the Holy Spirit is grieved, I wish I was perfect. I'm not poking @ King James only, but my attitude.

Again I ask you to forgive me; for any insult or offense. The 'false doctrine' you think I have I got much of it as I believe the Lord woke me from my sleep and taught me, ie., death being destroyed and other things. I saw your home page, let me warn you brother that you should be careful not to be so quick on your view about the Gifts of the Spirit. Remember what Jesus said when the Pharisees said Jesus did what He did by the power of Satan. That is an unpardonable sin when you attribute to power of God to the Devil. I wrestled with that myself, and I think the Lord forgave because because I did it in ignorance. I wish I could take back the things I had said to people.

I'm still learning, I don't want to be tossed 'to and fro with every wind of doctrine', but I do want to be willing for God to teach me. That's why I still talk to others who have a different oppion. Because I have come to realize maybe I don't have all the truth. But I remember when I thought I did. I hated it. I was only selling never buying.

Here (out of the internet) my teaching and preaching is not in word only, but also in the demonstration of the Power of God.


Love you bother.

lisa03wilson


Thanks for that comment. I hope if you learn anything new you'll share it. Iron sharpens Iron. I know there has to be a lot of things the body of Christ has missed.

I 100% believe the Glorious Appearing and Rapture are seperate events. Why? Well among scriptures and many things, I am pre-trib. For many reasons and many scriptural back up. But heres why I think....

Jesus said he will come when we least expect it. No one knows the date.

While the second coming, all believers will know when it will occur. Immdeiately after the vial judgements have been released.

I love discussions like this, it really helps me grow!

I used to be so confused on the subject, but recently read a book called "Are We Living In The End Times?" by Tim Lahaye/Jerry B. Jenkins. Wow, is all I can say. Turned me pre-trib, pre-millinalist, and awaiting the "blessed hope".

Jesus said he will come when we least expect it

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I believe Matthew 24:44 is a warning against our becoming unfaithful, for Christ will come like a thief for us only IF we fall asleep spiritually (Revelation 3:3, 1 Thessalonians 5:4-6). Otherwise you're saying that as long as we're looking for him he can't possibly come.

No one knows the date

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"But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be" (Matthew 24:36-37).

Here I believe Jesus is referring to the same "coming of the Son of man" as when he said "immediately after the tribulation of those days... they shall see the Son of man coming" (Matthew 24:29-30). I don't believe he taught a 3rd coming.

Note that Jesus didn't say "no one will know the day" (future tense) but "no one knows the day" (present tense).

Note the exact correlation of the phrase "knoweth no man" in Matthew 24:36 and 1 Corinthians 2:11-12: "Even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God." See also: "When he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth... and he will shew you things to come" (John 16:13).

Jesus said his coming would be "as the days of Noah were" (Matthew 24:36-37). God told Noah when the flood would come shortly before it came: "For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights" (Genesis 7:4). He told him because: "Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets" (Amos 3:7).

Shortly before the 2nd coming, I believe the Lord will likewise through his Spirit reveal to his prophets in the church the day of his coming. I believe those of us alive and still faithful at the abomination of desolation will know that we'll have to wait only 1,335 days until Jesus comes: "From the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days" (Daniel 12:11-12).


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