Modern day prophetic utterances

Be careful - This guy sounds more like a psychic wanna be than he does a prophet. For one thing, Bin Laden has nothing to do with this man, Clements. And second, most prophecy is centered around Israel. God has never gone around announcing which of the missing were dead, but psychics have been doing it forever it seems. It also has nothing to do with Gods Word. See ya !!

And the National Enquirer psychics are right, every now and then.

Amen, 2002!

Listen brothers, to what the Lord would have you know on this subject. The Lord does not want those who belong to Him into such things. Psychics and mediums are of the father of lies. Don't be deceived.

Deuteronomy 18: 10-13 - "Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the Lord, and because of these detestable practices the Lord your God will drive out those nations before you. You must be blameless before the Lord your God."

And yes - this also includes your daily horoscope, stick with your daily bread and hold on to your blessings.

I am familiar with the prophecies of Kim Clement. I first saw him in 1993 on TBN.

I know that a lot of his prophetic words deal with great movements of God. I also know that he is wrong often.

I think the test still stands true for a prophet of today. 100% accurate. If the prophecies are truly of God how can God be wrong? God would not make a mistake.

I have also heard him say that he has trouble sometimes knowing if it is God speaking or his own thoughts. All I can say to that is I myself would be 100% sure it was God before I shared my prophecies with others.


Just some thoughts.


God bless,
Roberta

Does this guy have a site?? I would just like to take a small peak at some of these utterances. It sounds like he is making a profit, instead of being one.

i don't know the names of the folks being quoted... but i do like this quote best i think "making a profit, instead of being one."

Originally posted by libbyincal
I am learning that modern day prophecies are not like the words of the prophets in the Bible--who were people seriously used by God, who could not utter one false prophecy and still have the prophetic title.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there at least 1 prophet in the biblical times who made wrong predictions not once but many times, but he was truly chosen by God?

Pat Robertson has been warning of a larger event than 9/11 that would come early in 2002. Now he is saying March 15 is a date he has been concerned about for a while. He doesn't seem absolutely perfectly positive that he has heard accurately from God, evidently, but he is willing to risk declaring that he thinks something will happen.

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I think this is enough of a reason to discount all of Pat Robertson's "prophetic utterings."

He is confusing his own fear with a message from God.

He is so wanting to be important that he is willing to speak for God when he doesn't know for sure that his words actually come from God.

In my opinion, this closes the book on Pat Robertson.

>>I think the test still stands true for a prophet of today. 100% accurate.

Yes, 100%. We have 50 years of prophecy's recorded in our church, and not one of them has ever been proved to be wrong. I am not saying the pastor is not ever wrong, but when he says: "thus sayeth the Lord", no one has ever been able to prove him wrong.

I am going to paste in a part of a prophecy, because sometimes people want to see one. Usually they say, of course it's true, because it's so generalized. Whatever, but here is a part of a prophecy given right after the "One Drop of Mercy" series.

"Yea, saith the Lord, I am in the midst of my people, and my glory is here to deliver you. Look unto me and I will set you free. Delight in me and I will do great and mighty things for you. Believe all that I have said and I will use you in this final hour of the Gentiles, saith the Lord. Look not to the left nor to the right. Close your ears to doubt and open your hearts to my faith. You will behold my mighty hand, and you will know what I am doing in this land today. You will know my prophecies for tomorrow. You will walk without fear and torment. Your message will be: Redemption draweth nigh. Your message will be: No power can stand before the power of God. No sin can dwell in His presence. His people are a holy people. His people have clean hands and clean hearts. And you will declare this to the peoples on planet earth. You will reveal the knowledge of God unto them, so that they can walk holy and be holy."

There is more, but this is good for now. Thanks, JohnR7

The Ides of March? Is that the best he could come up with?!

Originally posted by JohnR7

"Yea, saith the Lord, I am in the midst of my people, and my glory is here to deliver you. Look unto me and I will set you free. Delight in me and I will do great and mighty things for you. Believe all that I have said and I will use you in this final hour of the Gentiles, saith the Lord. Look not to the left nor to the right. Close your ears to doubt and open your hearts to my faith. You will behold my mighty hand, and you will know what I am doing in this land today. You will know my prophecies for tomorrow. You will walk without fear and torment. Your message will be: Redemption draweth nigh.
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reply by GW:
Hi John. I have highlighted in blue two errors in your leader's prophetic utterance. First, let me say that I believe the Holy Spirit gifts are for this present age and can be used in the way we see all through the book of Acts. Let me also suggest that sound doctrine is what allows the prophetic utterances to be helpful and not off in false teachings and la-la land.

Your pastor has erred in a large way here, and the sound doctrine of scripture shows it. Brother, we are NOT in the "final hour of the gentiles." There is no such thing. The Church age is throughout all generations world without end (Eph 3:21).

Next, St. John announced that HE was in the final hour of the last days period way back in the 1st century! (1 John 2:18-19). So WE are not in that final hour, but, rather, St John was in that final hour and was speaking about the antichrists heresy of his day that signaled the final moment of the Old Testament Age.

And last, we are not yet waiting for redemption to take place -- Christ has finished the work and we are THE REDEEMED. We are saved. We are righteous. Praise God we NOW have these realities and that your pastor just didn't quite understand these realities. What a sad thought to imagine that Christ didn't finish the work of his redemption so that the Church could be blameless in his sight.

I suppose that your pastor's "we-are-in-the-last-days" presuppositions are tainting his ability to communicate the voice of God's Spirit without additional noise and interference. Christ's riches to you and your pastor anyway! Truly. Grace and peace be unto you.

For me anyway and maybe this is going outside of the discussion a bit, anyone focused on modern day prophetic prophecy of the End-Times isn't living with the freedom that was bought for us on the cross. The battle has been fought and won. As i wake up this Easter morning and realize what the message of the Resurrection means for me i know that i have no fear and that i belong to Christ. Who could ask for anything more ?

Blessings to everyone

Originally posted by Phoenix
..... anyone focused on modern day prophetic prophecy of the End-Times isn't living with the freedom that was bought for us on the cross.

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Excellent insight!
I'd only add that not only are they living without the freedom, they are also living without the authority given to us as victors.

We've won!

....now lets start acting like it.

He is risen!! Amen.
I am free to discuss prophecy in this prophecy forum provided for such. NO one is forced to participate or insult those who do. I do not go into other threads & insult folks there for participating in their threads.
WE were given freedom, authority, & victory to discuss any aspect of the Bible we wish. SOme would prefer to censor even the Word of God, in the name of Jesus!! It's like "I declare this part of the Word to be unchristian". Makes no sense. BUt yet, make sure you read all the posts, & post one yourself to complain about the thread. If I'm not interested in a thread, I don't post. The complainers are obviously interested.
Rev.19:10- "... for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy".
LIbbyincal-- scripture has to be your final authority & scripture says prophets have to be 100% correct.
TBN preachers & Pat robertson were wrong because March has come & gone with no major moves of the church or satan. The difference as you pointed out though, was that the TBN preachers, which I also heard,
said,"God told me...", whereas Pat Robertson wasn't saying God told him specifically. THerefore you cannot condemn Robertson for that one account because he wasnt claiming prophecy, but TBN preachers were.
THere is nothing in scripture which says a prophet cannot be told of events that are not of a biblical nature.
There are many things God can tell them which are not about the church or Bible, and still do not classify as sorcery or witchcraft. Telling of the presidential election is not forbidden in scripture by the prophets or denied as sorcery. Therefore it is possible.
I know someone who has the gift, & it involves about everything but end times.
JOhn 4:19- Jesus told a woman how many times she had been married, & that the man she lived with was not her husband. She replied-you must be a prophet.
1John 4:1-tells us to test prophecy to see if it is of God.
1Cor12:8, Acts15:28 are the other 2 types of prophecy which are different than,"Thus saith the Lord".
Humans make mistakes, but God doesn't. Robertson did the right thing by saying he wasnt sure it was from God. Also though, 100% accuracy is not a definite sign it is of God, for satan mimics the gifts of God & can also sometimes be 100% correct, especially if it is a future event he has a hand in promoting.

Originally posted by Debbie
100% accuracy is not a definite sign it is of God, for satan mimics the gifts of God & can also sometimes be 100% correct, especially if it is a future event he has a hand in promoting.

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Actually, 100% acuracy is the litmus test for whether or not a prophesy comes from God.

Deuteronomy 18:20-22
"20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. 21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? 22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

People who claim to be providing God given revelation have only one chance to get it right.
There is no room after a non ocourrance of a supposed "prophetic event" for the self proclaimed "prophet" to save face by saying "maybe God told me this, or "I didn't understand correctly at first, now I do so here'e the "true" version......

Hal Lindsay is my favorite abuser of Deuteronomy 18.
First it was 1948 that was the beginning of "this generation" and the rapture would be in 1988, now it's 1967, and 2007....I am confident that in 2008 after yet another "non ocourrance" Hal will pick yet another "starting point" to profess in yet another best seller, all the while raking in the millions on the gullibility of those who are so willing to forget his past failures in favor of gobbling up as much end times sensationalist propaganda as they can get their checkbooks on.

Well, good for Hal, He needs a new Rolls, and swimming pool, and summer ranch anyway. Might as well get us to pay for it.
(I'll take a pass however)

I have never even heard of Pat Robinson or whatever his name is so I guess he isn't that good...

After 25 years of following Christian prophecy, especially of an end-time nature, I've come to the conclusion that the most accurate words are coming out of the Catholic prophetic world.

The book, "Fast Lane to Heaven" by Ned Dougherty is perhaps the best one out there currently. He has been shown terrorist trouble in Italy and Natural disasters in the US as being the next things to watch for.

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