> ...pray that you may be able to escape...
Note that Jesus is speaking to the same people in Luke 21:8-35 that he is speaking to in Luke 21:36.
I believe we will escape the entire tribulation and stand before the Son of Man (Luke 21:36) only if we die before the tribulation starts (Isaiah 57:1, 2 Corinthians 5:8, Philippians 1:21-23). Many of us will go through the great tribulation (Luke 21:31; Revelation 6:11, 7:14, 9:4, 12:17, 13:7-10, 14:12-13, 15:2, 18:4, 20:4).
Isaiah 57:1 says "the righteous perish." It is in their dying that the righteous are "taken away from the evil to come" (Isaiah 57:1). To die is gain for a Christian (Philippians 1:21).
> ...GOD ALWAYS REMOVED HIS FAITHFUL ONES BEFORE HE
> SHOWED HIS WRATH KEEP LOOKING UP...
Note that nobody in heaven says God's wrath "is come" until after the 7th trumpet (Revelation 11:15, 18), in the 7 vials (Revelation 15:1).
The vials contain God's wrath, yet not one of them is directed at Christians. I believe we are even blessed at the 6th vial (Revelation 16:15), that we might endure to the 1,335th day (Daniel 12:12).
> ...In Revelations 19, The Armies of Heaven are following him...
Most of the church will be returning "with" Christ from the 3rd heaven (1 Thessalonians 4:14), as most of it will have died before or during the tribulation. But in Revelation 19:14 "heaven" is the 1st heaven, the sky, where Jesus is revealed to the nations, as in Matthew 24:30's "heaven."
I believe the purpose of the rapture is to gather the resurrected dead and the transformed living (1 Corinthians 15:51-52, 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17) all together in the sky with Jesus so that we can be judged (Psalms 50:4-5, Mark 13:27) and married (Revelation 19:7) in the clouds, before Armageddon.
This is why the wedding's consummation isn't announced until immediately before we descend with Christ at Armageddon (Revelation 19:7-14). I believe that after we've been judged and married, we'll all get on our white horses, the clouds will part, "heaven" will be "opened" (Revelation 19:11), and we'll all descend with Christ to the battle (Revelation 19:14-15), and then land in Jerusalem for the supper (Revelation 19:9, Isaiah 25:5-9).
> ...instead of a shout which raises the dead and calls those who
> are alive to meet Him, a Sword proceeds from His mout smiting
> the Nations...
Note that every description of the 2nd coming and rapture doesn't include every element of it. For example, we don't find the shout or the voice of the archangel of 1 Thessalonians 4:16 anywhere in 1 Corinthians 15:52, nor do we find the white horse of Revelation 19:11 or Jesus' setting foot on the Mount of Olives of Zechariah 14:4 anywhere in Matthew 24:29-31. Do some then believe that Revelation 19 and Matthew 24:29-31 are two separate events?
> ...Rev.17:6-" I saw the women was drunk with the blood of the
> saints, the blood of those who bore the testimony to Jesus.
> When I saw her, I was greatly astonished." >>> Some
> protection this would be, no thanks, you can keep your
> protection. The people that believe this have no hope,
> because they give it away...
What is our blessed hope?
"In hope of eternal life"
"That blessed hope"
"The hope of eternal life"
(Titus 1:2, 2:13, 3:7)
How can the blessed hope be mutually exclusive with going through tribulation?
"We glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; And patience, experience; and experience, hope" (Romans 5:3-4).
"Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation" (Romans 12:12).
"If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable" (1 Corinthians 15:19).
Don't lose the blessed hope (Titus 2:13) when the rapture doesn't happen before the tribulation. Don't lose the hope even if you find yourself at the point of death in the great tribulation, for our hope for eternal life in Jesus Christ goes beyond any suffering in this life and any dread of death (Philippians 1:21-23, 1 Corinthians 15:19, John 12:25, Revelation 2:10, Hebrews 2:15).
> ...they should have trusted Jesus when the grace of God was
> free. It's not free if you have to give up your mortal
> life....
Some believe Revelation 14:13 means that Christians in the tribulation will be saved only by dying. But is this what the verse itself says? Isn't Revelation 14:13 saying that those who die in the Lord will be blessed because they can rest from their earthly labours for the Lord? Do some believe people who die unsaved can be saved after death? And do they apply the same saved-only-by-dying standard to those in Revelation 2:10? If not, why not?
> ...is the tribulation a literal seven-year period of time to take
> place in the future?...
Regarding the length of the coming tribulation, most Christians believe it will be 7 years. But I don't believe the Bible itself says this, and that Daniel 9:27 only refers to a 7-year peace treaty.
I believe Daniel 11:23 refers to this same treaty, and that the great Middle East war of Daniel 11:13-19 has to happen before this treaty is signed. I expect this war to begin about 3 years before the treaty, so that the tribulation could last about 10 years. This war could be the 2nd seal in Revelation 6:3-4, beginning the tribulation.
A 10-year tribulation may be represented in Revelation 2:10, where Jesus says "ye shall have tribulation 10 days," and typified in Daniel 1:14, where Daniel was "proved for 10 days." I believe each day could stand for a year, as in Ezekiel 4:6, where God says "I have appointed thee each day for a year," and in Numbers 14:34, where he says "each day for a year."
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Note that Jesus is speaking to the same people in Luke 21:8-35 that he is speaking to in Luke 21:36.
I believe we will escape the entire tribulation and stand before the Son of Man (Luke 21:36) only if we die before the tribulation starts (Isaiah 57:1, 2 Corinthians 5:8, Philippians 1:21-23). Many of us will go through the great tribulation (Luke 21:31; Revelation 6:11, 7:14, 9:4, 12:17, 13:7-10, 14:12-13, 15:2, 18:4, 20:4).
Isaiah 57:1 says "the righteous perish." It is in their dying that the righteous are "taken away from the evil to come" (Isaiah 57:1). To die is gain for a Christian (Philippians 1:21).
> ...GOD ALWAYS REMOVED HIS FAITHFUL ONES BEFORE HE
> SHOWED HIS WRATH KEEP LOOKING UP...
Note that nobody in heaven says God's wrath "is come" until after the 7th trumpet (Revelation 11:15, 18), in the 7 vials (Revelation 15:1).
The vials contain God's wrath, yet not one of them is directed at Christians. I believe we are even blessed at the 6th vial (Revelation 16:15), that we might endure to the 1,335th day (Daniel 12:12).
> ...In Revelations 19, The Armies of Heaven are following him...
Most of the church will be returning "with" Christ from the 3rd heaven (1 Thessalonians 4:14), as most of it will have died before or during the tribulation. But in Revelation 19:14 "heaven" is the 1st heaven, the sky, where Jesus is revealed to the nations, as in Matthew 24:30's "heaven."
I believe the purpose of the rapture is to gather the resurrected dead and the transformed living (1 Corinthians 15:51-52, 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17) all together in the sky with Jesus so that we can be judged (Psalms 50:4-5, Mark 13:27) and married (Revelation 19:7) in the clouds, before Armageddon.
This is why the wedding's consummation isn't announced until immediately before we descend with Christ at Armageddon (Revelation 19:7-14). I believe that after we've been judged and married, we'll all get on our white horses, the clouds will part, "heaven" will be "opened" (Revelation 19:11), and we'll all descend with Christ to the battle (Revelation 19:14-15), and then land in Jerusalem for the supper (Revelation 19:9, Isaiah 25:5-9).
> ...instead of a shout which raises the dead and calls those who
> are alive to meet Him, a Sword proceeds from His mout smiting
> the Nations...
Note that every description of the 2nd coming and rapture doesn't include every element of it. For example, we don't find the shout or the voice of the archangel of 1 Thessalonians 4:16 anywhere in 1 Corinthians 15:52, nor do we find the white horse of Revelation 19:11 or Jesus' setting foot on the Mount of Olives of Zechariah 14:4 anywhere in Matthew 24:29-31. Do some then believe that Revelation 19 and Matthew 24:29-31 are two separate events?
> ...Rev.17:6-" I saw the women was drunk with the blood of the
> saints, the blood of those who bore the testimony to Jesus.
> When I saw her, I was greatly astonished." >>> Some
> protection this would be, no thanks, you can keep your
> protection. The people that believe this have no hope,
> because they give it away...
What is our blessed hope?
"In hope of eternal life"
"That blessed hope"
"The hope of eternal life"
(Titus 1:2, 2:13, 3:7)
How can the blessed hope be mutually exclusive with going through tribulation?
"We glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; And patience, experience; and experience, hope" (Romans 5:3-4).
"Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation" (Romans 12:12).
"If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable" (1 Corinthians 15:19).
Don't lose the blessed hope (Titus 2:13) when the rapture doesn't happen before the tribulation. Don't lose the hope even if you find yourself at the point of death in the great tribulation, for our hope for eternal life in Jesus Christ goes beyond any suffering in this life and any dread of death (Philippians 1:21-23, 1 Corinthians 15:19, John 12:25, Revelation 2:10, Hebrews 2:15).
> ...they should have trusted Jesus when the grace of God was
> free. It's not free if you have to give up your mortal
> life....
Some believe Revelation 14:13 means that Christians in the tribulation will be saved only by dying. But is this what the verse itself says? Isn't Revelation 14:13 saying that those who die in the Lord will be blessed because they can rest from their earthly labours for the Lord? Do some believe people who die unsaved can be saved after death? And do they apply the same saved-only-by-dying standard to those in Revelation 2:10? If not, why not?
> ...is the tribulation a literal seven-year period of time to take
> place in the future?...
Regarding the length of the coming tribulation, most Christians believe it will be 7 years. But I don't believe the Bible itself says this, and that Daniel 9:27 only refers to a 7-year peace treaty.
I believe Daniel 11:23 refers to this same treaty, and that the great Middle East war of Daniel 11:13-19 has to happen before this treaty is signed. I expect this war to begin about 3 years before the treaty, so that the tribulation could last about 10 years. This war could be the 2nd seal in Revelation 6:3-4, beginning the tribulation.
A 10-year tribulation may be represented in Revelation 2:10, where Jesus says "ye shall have tribulation 10 days," and typified in Daniel 1:14, where Daniel was "proved for 10 days." I believe each day could stand for a year, as in Ezekiel 4:6, where God says "I have appointed thee each day for a year," and in Numbers 14:34, where he says "each day for a year."
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