Just my $.02...When I was in high school we could stand up place our hands over our hearts and say the pledge. We also had the option to remain seated and say nothing out of respect for those who wished to do so. I have noticed that some atheists as well as Christians do not have respect for the beliefs of others, and scream at them to be quiet because they are offended. Christ teaches that we are to do unto others as we would do unto ourselves. We are not to spread hate, we are to teach love and set the example. (Just as Jesus Christ is the example of Christians.)DoomMoose said:Just wondering NYJ do the students *HAVE* to say the pledge if they dont agree with it?
"Two small steps for mankind"...Two count. Two exist. None is nonexistant.Philosoft said:You haven't even begun to make a case for a "trend." Like I said, you've got two examples, at best.
I count six examples given, none of them Bork.geocajun said:well we dont have to look far. we can simply quote the OP's link..
“A disturbing trend is under way to remove practicing Catholics from the judiciary. Over the summer, U.S. Senators on the Judiciary Committee sought to employ a de facto religious test against circuit-court hopeful Bill Pryor. Then we had the spectacle last week of Cleveland attorney Jay Milano contending that no Catholic judge should be allowed to sit on a case he is bringing against the Catholic Church. Now we have Newdow trying to silence Justice Scalia for expressing his Catholic views on religion.
dont forget the democrats tryign to stop the appointments of Catholic Judges Miguel Estrada, Carolyn Kuhl and Bill Pryor.
Brimshack said:I don't think Fillibustering is out of line as a means of negotiating these matters.
ahem...Brimshack and I will be exiting from this thread for now. We will doubtless return later...much later, I hope. Brimshack has offered to give me a private demonstration of his fillibustering techniques and we all know much time that can consume.Brimshack said:…or yours.
Hrm, the title of this thread is "Atheist targets Catholic Supreme Court Judge".Brimshack said:I'm curious as to why the thread says "atheists" (note the plural) are targetting Catholics, when only one of the examples involves an atheist.
In my book, anyone who exploits their children is a coward.Ray K said:Michael Newdow may be a man on a misguided mission, but he is certainly not a coward. We should avoid being quick to insult those we disagree with.
My kids are in second grade. They say the pledge every day. I checked with the school and they have not informed the kids that they do not have to say the pledge if they don't want to. This in effect is to tell the kids that they must because all 2nd graders know that they have to do what their teachers tell them to do.nyj said:No, they don't. My sister is a teacher in New York and she has had several students whose parents are Jehovah Witnesses over the past couple years. Their children do not say the Pledge of Allegiance (it's against their religion), so they sit there while the others recite the pledge.
10 minutes?Plan 9 said:ahem...Brimshack and I will be exiting from this thread for now. We will doubtless return later...much later, I hope. Brimshack has offered to give me a private demonstration of his fillibustering techniques and we all know much time that can consume.
Ok, so now we've shared anecdotal evidence, yippee!crazyfingers said:My kids are in second grade. They say the pledge every day. I checked with the school and they have not informed the kids that they do not have to say the pledge if they don't want to. This in effect is to tell the kids that they must because all 2nd graders know that they have to do what their teachers tell them to do.
Perhaps, but the other children will probably inform said child(ren) that not doing certain things will earn them a beating at recess.nyj said:What it comes down to though, is that a parent, if they truly want to act in the best interest of their children, will inform their child(ren) that they have the right not to do certain things.