Not under the law

DaTsar said:

First thing I ask:
Whom did the law ever justify?
What changed that makes you think God changed?
Was not Jesus sacrifice to justify all, even the people before him?
How is someone like David any less faithful then us, and yet he followed the law in its correct form?
Surly the Spirit lives in us, but the Spirit has been around since the beginning has it not,and has been in people before?

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I know this wasn't addressed to me but I would like to respond as I have answered these in my post, not directly of course, and would like to now.

Q: Whom did the law ever justify?

Nobody.

Romans 3:20
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law [is] the knowledge of sin.

Q: What changed that makes you think God changed?

God does not change, He does however change His mind from time to time. What changed in this issue is not God but the covenant that Israel did not keep with Him. So they fell out of favor (so to speak) with God.

Hosea 2:23
And I will sow her unto me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to [them which were] not my people, Thou [art] my people; and they shall say, [Thou art] my God.

Q: Was not Jesus sacrifice to justify all, even the people before him?

No, it was to justify all who believe on him. This is the new covenant.

1 John 3:23
And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

Q: How is someone like David any less faithful then us, and yet he followed the law in its correct form?

There is nothing in the Bible that says David followed the law in its correct form. David was righteousness in the eye’s of God because of his faith, not his keeping the law.

Romans 4:6
Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

Q: Surly the Spirit lives in us, but the Spirit has been around since the beginning has it not, and has been in people before?

God would send the Holy Spirit into someone to perform a special task and then the Spirit would leave that person. Under the new covenant the Holy Spirit will abided with us forever.

John 14:16
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

Matthew 5:17-18
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

And so it was that the Christ fulfilled all the law and not one jot or tittle passed until he did so. Jesus Christ fulfilled (completed) the law.

Matthew 5:19
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Very curious isn’t it, that Jesus did not say that if you break one of the least of these commandments that you would not enter the kingdom of heaven? Yet we know that breaking one small part of the law meant breaking all of the commandments and laws. That of course meant you broke the covenant and you would not enter into the kingdom of heaven. So I wonder what were the commandments he was talking about that were called ‘least’? Could it be the commandments he gave on the mountainside? Whatever you may think these commandments were they most certainly were not the commandments and laws of the old covenant.

Matthew 5:20
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed [the righteousness] of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

And what exactly was the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees? It was their own righteousness (not God’s) from the stringent following of the letter of the law.

Matthew 23:23
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier [matters] of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

We do not obtain the promise of salvation through our own righteousness. It is the righteousness of God that we are to take hold of.

Matthew 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

How do we get this righteousness, through keeping commandments and laws?

Romans 3:20-22
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law [is] the knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

Not by keeping the commandments and laws but by faith in Christ.

I have posted quite a few scriptures in this thread that explain the issue we are discussing, and nobody has offered a challenge to my use of them in my rebuttal. I am told that I am confused and that I don’t know the truth, yet none of my accusers can offer an explanation to why the scriptures I used in my rebuttal say the same thing as I am saying. Nobody has addressed the important issue of the scriptures that say ‘we are not under law’ except to answer that with the question; ‘what does it mean to not be under the law?’. I think I am the only one who addressed it fully (Colossians did offer an answer, short and to the point) and nobody offered a rebuttal. Why is that I wonder?

Tawhano said:

Please refer to the post that you asked a question I did not try to answer. I will revisited that post and prepare a reply for you.


Please provide the post number of where I said this. I cannot find it. I will then readdress this issue with you.

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Hi Tawhano,

To make things simple please respond to this post. That way I can determine exactly what you are saying, I am all ears, and then I will respond. Isn't that fair? There is no reason to avoid me. We are talking about Biblical doctrine. The Bible interprets itself so let us let the Bible unravel this mystery of the voided 10 Commandments, okay? Isn't that simple and fair? It is not about my knowledge or your knowledge it is about the word of God, His Bible. It's principles are based on love and I want you to know that this truly is my motive for speaking with you. So let's stop playing "post tag" and get down to "this saith the Lord" okay, Brother in Christ? Please respond.

I am saying that you appear to be confused because you are contradicting yourself continuously in your effort to make the Bible do away with the 10 Commandments. This will continue to happen because the Bible does not do away with the 10 Commandments therefore complex "theories" must be devised in order to try to still keep the harmony of the Bible. The truths of the Bible are simple. What can be more simple to understand then:

Matthew 14:15 If you love me keep my commandments.
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In fact you can tell that there is a mis-interpretation of a text or thought if it becomes very complex because the Bible has all of the answers for the questions that it poses. However, it is impossible for the Bible to be consistant if one of the basic principles is mis-interpreted. The Pharasees of Jesus' day did just this. They made the law of God so complex and burdensome that they did not keep it themselves. They made the word of God appear to be a mystery whereas it was very simple. Jesus made it clear to the people that love was the foundation of the 10 Commandments and that they were to be kept in the spirit of love. For instance, He showed that love is the motive behind 6th Commandment.

Matthew 5:21, 22 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

In other words Jesus showed that hating is the spiritual equivalent to breaking the 6th Commandment. If the 6th Commandment is not a law, how is it that breaking it physically or spiritually places you "under the judgement of the law?"

I have been asking you simple questions all along and, in fact, you have been evading the issue. The question above is a simple question isn't it? You have not given me a direct answer to any of my questions, Tawhano.

Do you remember, I asked you what laws remain and you told me that the laws of Jesus in the New Testament remain. You said that the two great commandments of Jesus remain, remember?

I will ask you again to show me the Commandments of Jesus of the New Testament and tell me how they are any different from the Commandments in the Old Testament. This is a simple, un-complex thing to ask, right? I will then answer any question that you have for me to answer. I will show you were you are un-intentionally mis-interpreting the word.

Your brother in Christ,
TheTruthSeeker

Matthew 5:17-18
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

And so it was that the Christ fulfilled all the law and not one jot or tittle passed until he did so. Jesus Christ fulfilled (completed) the law.

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Did he? Are not you the one who said Christ is a sinner and broke the Sabbath? I believe I read a post from you stating such.

How then could he have fulfilled all of the law, in your opinion?

And how does the word fulfill, suddenly change into abolish at christs death. He said he did not come to Abolish. Simply implying that he fulfilled it so it's no longer relevant is the same as abolishing it. Contrary to his own words.

Also, note the part that says till heaven and earth pass. I still see the heavens and earth all about us.

Matthew 5:19
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Very curious isn’t it, that Jesus did not say that if you break one of the least of these commandments that you would not enter the kingdom of heaven? Yet we know that breaking one small part of the law meant breaking all of the commandments and laws. That of course meant you broke the covenant and you would not enter into the kingdom of heaven. So I wonder what were the commandments he was talking about that were called ‘least’? Could it be the commandments he gave on the mountainside? Whatever you may think these commandments were they most certainly were not the commandments and laws of the old covenant.

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They most certainly were. The very context of the entire passage is the law of the so called old testament. The commandments given on the mountainside are just an extension of what God has already said.

Matthew 5:20
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed [the righteousness] of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

And what exactly was the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees? It was their own righteousness (not God’s) from the stringent following of the letter of the law.

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No. not from following the law. From adding to it. Ad making their doctrines supercede the Word of God. The Pharisees were never once rebuked for observing the teachings of God.

Matthew 23:1-12
1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, 2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: 3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

And what did they say to observe? The laws of God.

Matthew 23:23
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier [matters] of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

We do not obtain the promise of salvation through our own righteousness. It is the righteousness of God that we are to take hold of.

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This verse does nothing to help your opinion. Note the end of it. NOT TO LEAVE THE OTHER UNDONE.

Romans 3:20-22
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law [is] the knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

Not by keeping the commandments and laws but by faith in Christ.

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Faith without works is dead.

One can have faith in Yeshua and observe the law today, just as HIS Apostles did till their dying days.

Tawhano,

Q: Whom did the law ever justify?
Nobody.

Well so far we are in agreement

Q: What changed that makes you think God changed?
God does not change, He does however change His mind from time to time. What changed in this issue is not God but the covenant that Israel did not keep with Him. So they fell out of favor (so to speak) with God.

I respect your view of this; however I have another, so I would appreciate you to hear me out, and do not completely disregard my unique view.

The convents to me have less to do with salvation, and more do with teaching of a concept that can be looked at from many angles.

Since Adam it has always truly been the same contract to me, it is only the wording of that contract which has changed from time to time.


I welcome your questions on the matter.

Q: Was not Jesus sacrifice to justify all, even the people before him? No, it was to justify all who believe on him. This is the new covenant.

I differ with you again.

You see, since Jesus said that the only way to enter the kingdom of heaven was through him, and that none had come before him except those who had first come from heaven. I think that his sacrifice was for all and he is the gate to which all come through.

How did they know who Jesus was before he came to earth? Think about it. Do you think those like king David (or Job), did not act a lot like you would expect a Christian of today to act like.

Well I do! Jesus is the only gate and the old and new only get salvation from him.


Q: How is someone like David any less faithful then us, and yet he followed the law in its correct form?
There is nothing in the Bible that says David followed the law in its correct form. David was righteousness in the eye’s of God because of his faith, not his keeping the law.


I agree, you see I put this here to show something about the old covenant.



You see that is just it David did not follow the laws to a T, yet is justified in faith. So why are people saying here that the law is a trap. For clearly David tried his best to follow the law and fell short, but was it the law that tripped him or the flesh? For clearly he is the same is us, justified in something greater then the covenant, which the law does nothing against.



Q: Surly the Spirit lives in us, but the Spirit has been around since the beginning has it not, and has been in people before?

God would send the Holy Spirit into someone to perform a special task and then the Spirit would leave that person. Under the new covenant the Holy Spirit will abided with us forever.

True! What am I trying to prove? That the spirit and the law can in fact go hand and hand.


Thank you for your time,
God bless,
Datsar

Colossians,

I know we have already agreed to disagree, and I said I would let
things stand, but you ask some questions or argumentative statements,
I felt I should answer them, but I will try to keep the explanations
short.

Answers to your questions:

That is to beg the question. How do you know Jesus was from God?
I know because I put all my trust in the God of Abraham, the God of
Isaac…
And by his mercy I received wisdom, on this matter.

But of the true God the scripture says "Love does not seek its own".
Would your wife feel very loved if you said to her: "If you love me
you'll ..(do such and such)"? Would you feel she loved you if she
said similar to you?

I do not know about my wife, but as for me I would feel she love me
if she did this to me, you see not all requests are bad in nature? That is what you seem not to get, if my wife told me to eat healthy because she loves me and cares for me or not to drive because she was is worry I would
kill myself, why would I not. If my wives asked me to do something
sinful, of course I would see your point, but the law is not sin.

Answers to your comments:

To keep the 10 commandments is to trangress the greatest commandment,
for in keeping it, your eyes are off the Lord, and on to your own
performance. You cannot be Mary while you are Martha. To keep the
Sabbath externalises God, and therefore transgresses God. It is not
to worship God once a week, but to reject Him once a week.

About the Ten Commandments, you assume I have my eyes on them more
then God, but perhaps I see them in God, and it is not the written
laws that tell me this at all.

As for the Sabbath day, I would hardly expect you to understand. But
I do not hold this day above any other. I set it apart, there is a
difference but I understand if you do not understand that.

It is for your benefit, not mine. You should have a relationship with
an honest God, not a semantic trick of the SDA church.
See what you seem to miss is that, I am not saying that God will run away or stop loving me because of the act of not setting the Sabbath apart, The problem is at the root in testing God to save no one and benefit no one. This is an act which is truly a killer of the spirit.



You see the fruits are just to be burned up, what do I care about them, but it is not the fruits that makes me grieved with this request. It is the mindset I must enter in order to complete it.
You think that by ignoring my statement that Jesus did not change the
law, that I will forget I said it? No. You are diminishing the law,
and that is transgression of the law.



I responded by saying “let him who has committed no sin cast the first stone”, that was Jesus teaching plain and simple. By following I am not transgressing the law, but following what it surly teaches.



What you are misunderstanding?:

It is not Gods pure love that I am challenging, for it is all forgiving and all loving. I am challenging my love which is not pure and in threat all the time of corruption. For if I do not love the lord, then I shall be ashes under your feet, plain and simple.


God bless,
DaTsar

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God bless,
Datsar

My friend it is just a shame. Why? Because your own people are being mislead and causing great divide. I really don't know what to do with you brother., Take care and may God bless you. Bye for now.

KelsayDL said:

Did he? Are not you the one who said Christ is a sinner and broke the Sabbath? I believe I read a post from you stating such.

How then could he have fulfilled all of the law, in your opinion?

And how does the word fulfill, suddenly change into abolish at christs death. He said he did not come to Abolish. Simply implying that he fulfilled it so it's no longer relevant is the same as abolishing it. Contrary to his own words.

Also, note the part that says till heaven and earth pass. I still see the heavens and earth all about us.



They most certainly were. The very context of the entire passage is the law of the so called old testament. The commandments given on the mountainside are just an extension of what God has already said.



No. not from following the law. From adding to it. Ad making their doctrines supercede the Word of God. The Pharisees were never once rebuked for observing the teachings of God.

Matthew 23:1-12
1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, 2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: 3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

And what did they say to observe? The laws of God.



This verse does nothing to help your opinion. Note the end of it. NOT TO LEAVE THE OTHER UNDONE.



Faith without works is dead.

One can have faith in Yeshua and observe the law today, just as HIS Apostles did till their dying days.

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Hi KelsayDL,

Amen!!! Well said.

You know, it's one thing to quote a verse and another thing to truly understand AND accept its full meaning.

Must God change or should we change when we find something that is uncomfortable to follow in the BIble? Of course, we must change.

The Bible is consistent from the Old Testament (Covenant) to the New Testament (Covenant) and back and forth. This is part of the evidence that shows that the Bible is an inspired book.

Paul said:

1 Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

and

Romans 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Your brother in Yeshua,
TheTruthSeeker

Sp0ck said:

We do not obtain the promise of salvation through our own righteousness. It is the righteousness of God that we are to take hold of.

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Yay to that brother , yay to that.

Why are you afraid? My fathers fathers fathers..more,,.. . Washington himself and faith held here.

Colossians,

"Salvation, and loving God, are synonomous."
I could not agree with you more.

As I see it,our debate has gone to the farest ponit it can go.I believe at this ponit each side has made themsleves clear, and their statements can stay on their own merit.

God Bless,
DaTsar

A Prayer I Say in the Open:
Our Father,
Most holy is your name,
My only wish is for your will to be done,
May we turn from our own conscience to you,
May all be lead in Spirit to do as you do,
May the false teachers go mute,
May your wisdom be upon us for all the days of our lives,
May confusion turn to understanding,
And hate to love,
Burying in our hearts O lord the words you taught us,
And may all enter into your kingdom,
Praise be the Lord, for he is the only one deemed Good.



Food for Thought (Please Take With a Grain of Salt): ...To hate one is too hate all, but to love all is the only way to love one. For either you know Love or you know Hate. Keep this in your mind and in your heart, all the days of your life, for as it has been said to me, so to I say to you, he who hates has always hated, but he who loves shall love forever... Rameod the First, a letter to the consult

Tawhano: Q: Was not Jesus sacrifice to justify all, even the people before him? (question by DaTsar)

No, it was to justify all who believe on him. This is the new covenant. (Tawhano's answer)

me: What was the old covenant if Jesus did not die to justify the people before them. It couldn't be the law, since Abraham was seen as righteous before God before the law was given, right?

DaTsar said:

Colossians,

"Salvation, and loving God, are synonomous."
I could not agree with you more.

As I see it,our debate has gone to the farest ponit it can go.I believe at this ponit each side has made themsleves clear, and their statements can stay on their own merit.

God Bless,
DaTsar

A Prayer I Say in the Open:
Our Father,
Most holy is your name,
My only wish is for your will to be done,
May we turn from our own conscience to you,
May all be lead in Spirit to do as you do,
May the false teachers go mute,
May your wisdom be upon us for all the days of our lives,
May confusion turn to understanding,
And hate to love,
Burying in our hearts O lord the words you taught us,
And may all enter into your kingdom,
Praise be the Lord, for he is the only one deemed Good.



Food for Thought (Please Take With a Grain of Salt): ...To hate one is too hate all, but to love all is the only way to love one. For either you know Love or you know Hate. Keep this in your mind and in your heart, all the days of your life, for as it has been said to me, so to I say to you, he who hates has always hated, but he who loves shall love forever... Rameod the First, a letter to the consult

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Hi Datsar, Colossians,

It is impossible to love Jesus and not be obedient to His Commandments.

I know that I've said this before but all the servants of God in the Bible have always been saying the same thing. Paul is often quoted as saying that the 10 Commandments are nailed to the cross. This is a lie that started in the Catholic church and spread to Protestant churches alike. To keep Sunday is to pay homage to the Catholic church, the Pope. Every Catholic priest will tell you the same thing without flinching. Did Paul every say that the 10 Commandments are void? No. On the contrary He lifted up the 10 Commandments.


Some Christians would have us to believe that the servants of God in the Old Testament were saved by works whereas the servants of the New Covenant are just now saved by grace through fatith. Nothing could be furthest from the truth. Like I've said before, this is not something that just started in the New Testament (testament means covenant by the way). The BIBLE shows that we were always saved by grace through faith (in the both the Old and New Testaments). The people in the Old Testament looked forward to the sacrifice of Jesus while the people in the New Testament looked back to the sacrifice of Jesus.

Paul said the following:

Hebrews 11:4-31 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh. By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God. But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith. By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God. Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised. Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable. These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city. By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called: Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure. By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come. By faith Jacob, when he was a dying, blessed both the sons of Joseph; and worshipped, leaning upon the top of his staff. By faith Joseph, when he died, made mention of the departing of the children of Israel; and gave commandment concerning his bones. By faith Moses, when he was born, was hid three months of his parents, because they saw he was a proper child; and they were not afraid of the king's commandment. By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter; Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season; Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward. By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible. Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them. By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned. By faith the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about seven days. By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.

Now my questions to you is this: Did these men keep the 10 Commandments of Jesus, yes or no? Is commandment keeping contrary to faith in Jesus?

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Your brother in Christ,
TheTruthSeeker

Hi colossians,

Would your wife feel very loved if you said to her: "If you love me
you'll ..(do such and such)"?

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you find yourself fighting scripture many many times- yet you find some way to justify yourself by your OWN means.

john 14:25 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

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this sounds exactly like what you speak against.
Everytime i read your posts i am reminded of the pharisees. not that your a hypocrite (even though i do consider your teaching a direct heresy against G-D himself) but that in your "interpretations" set down as "LAW" you make the messiah himself fall short.
What do you think the pharisees were doing when they were blaming him and his disciples on the sabbath for doing that whih was 'unlawful'. "Unlawful for who", for G-D or for your own traditions?
Do not compare what you THINK is right to what actually is RIGHT.
AND THE TORAH IS RIGHT!
find anywhere is scripture were it says that the law is bad! you wont find it. It does not exist like a pig's fist.
And Messiah CONCERNING HIMSELF completed the necessary righteousness CONCERNING HIS FIRST ADVENT, the peaceful messiah who dies.
But TORAH CONSTANTLY LOOKS FOR PERSON(s) to fulfill it.
IT ONLY OPENS for the INDIVIDUALS who has the KEY!
MESSIAH WAS ALREADY THE KEY AND DOOR HIMSELF.

notice, "I AM THE DOOR"
in hebrew daleth.
daleth means door- but also HANG(ING)
because doors used to be put on tents and they would HANG.
AND SO THE TORAH AND PROPHETS HANG(daleth) ON THE TWO(greatest commandments from the Torah)!

In other words, all of these are connected, it cannot function properly without the other. Try out a sincere man- who loved his wife- and his wife loved him. and lets say that the wife died- the man wouldnt be able to function properly for years- ESPECIALLY if they were greatly attached.
SEE, how was David after G-D's own heart?
read Psalms 119 and you will see.
Notice what it is David loves.
WHO infact is G-D's heart?
Who is it that lives in your heart after you are 'saved'?
Is that the sign of G-D's New covenant with you individually?
What is placed into your hearts in accordance with jeremiah 3:31-34?
Is this not the same new covenant or is it a different one?
And if you try to prove whats placed into the hearts of people in Jeremiah 31:31-34 is not the same Torah that has existed, then you are at fault, and you are in need of a change.

What messiah gave way for was a RENEWING of the Torah.
AS G-D at SINAI RENEWED the same covenant at sinai with the people. Having again put down the 10 in stone and having on parchment the details of the ones on stone.
Brit Chadasha is correctly said RENEWAL covnenant. Not just new, foreign covenant.
No one knows the language of Hebrew better than those whose its mother tongue and studies to know all of its roots to the T.
And that is the truth concerning this "new covenant".
Yes, a different doctrine than the one you are accustomed too- however, it is the nitty gritty of the scripture- you can still test me in ignorance or do the studying yourselves for a change (IN YOURSELVES) dig into your hebrew dictionaries, go to school and learn hebrew better than myself, learn the grammar, learn the sexes of each word and pre-fix- then we can have a suitable debate.
Translations LOSE their originals validity UNLESS greatly extensively done correctly- It would take years to TRANSLATE correctly unless beyond very learned in the languages you are translating from and the ones your translating into.

SO learn

shalom u'bracha