Do liberal Christians have a leg to stand on?

Brimshack said:

Actually, I already snuck a milk dud, three of them in fact (I'm a bad man). But I'd like another, please. I just don't know about that yeast thing. One could suggest that taking figurative speech literally was just as much dodging God's word as the other way around, but I'm obviously mistaken about these things.

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Here you go. I used to think that, too, until I found out I was a liberal backlider like Karl, here. (Thanks for the tart, Karl!) Now I'm worried.

I feel quite certain in any event, that there must be some passage in which Jesus goes out of his way to tell someone there love of another is not sufficient; that they must do something else. There MUST be such a scripture.

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All Karl can find is a scripture that says the opposite, plus St. Augustine, and I don't know if you've noticed, but Karl is smart!

I guess we'll have to wait until Sean gets back?

Karl, you want some of my Dr. Pepper? I think Brimshack spit in it, but I'm not sick yet.

I didn't spit in the Dr. Pepper. But I did finish it off. I'll go get some more refreshments and stuff. I'll be back in a jiffy. You guys be sure and fill me in if I miss anything, okay?

OKay I'm back. Here's your popcorn. Did I miss anything?

Shoot! I can't remember which one of these is the diet soda.

Badfish said:

Yeah, I am trying to figure out how and why they think Gods words are errant, when God said they weren't.

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Whoa! 1. Who said God's words are errant? 2. Where exactly does God say they are inerrant? 3. Is I Corinthians 7:12 God's word? 4. Is Mark 3:22?

Then do liberals think the bible was inspired by the author of confusion, Satan?

This is the thing, so far the liberals seem to deny the sovereignity and power of God, and it seems they follow their own ideas instead of submitting to the fullness of Gods word as instruction in righteousness.

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Nice! JFTR, and I consider it a minor insult you even need to ask:
1. No, the Bible was not "inspired by Satan."
2. It is the work of men who had come to know God and His will. But sometimes not perfectly -- that is why Jesus has to correct how people of His day were reading the Torah.
3. I acknowledge the sovereignty and power of God. I do not acknowledge that some self-appointed pulpit pounder has aunthority to speak for Him.
4. Jesus is my Savior and Lord. He said explicitly what He commanded as the most important thing to do, and the second most important, and amplified that teaching with parable after parable to explain how to do it. And nothing anybody can dredge out of Paul's advice to individual churches supersedes what Jesus said.
5. The fullness of righteousness? See Micah 6:8 or James 1:27, or Philippians 2:1-13.

DOWN IN FRONT!!!

(We're still waiting for te show to begin. We haven't gotten an answer to the last question. So, have some popcon and chill.)

Come sit with us, Polycarp.

Plan 9 said:

Come sit with us, Polycarp.

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Are you saying "Resistance is futile"?

Pass the Milk Duds, please.

And still no quotes from Jesus teaching the message that Sean has attributed to him.

Badfish said:

We are commanded to love one another, but thats not sufficient for salvation, we cannot earn salvation through works, loving one another while leading to good works, is works in and of itself, that was my point.

Sorry, not much of a show.

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And still no quotes from Jesus teaching the message that Sean has attributed to him.

Badfish said:

In Titus 3:5, Paul excludes works of righteousness (which would include all facets of acts of love) from the gospel.

How could a work done without faith or apart from God's enabling grace be a work of righteousness? Obviously, Paul is excluding all works, including good works, from the gospel.

So simply we are to love one another within the grace of Christ, love without faith is fruitless. And will not merit salvation.

The other point I was making is that many liberals deny the fact that God is wrathful and has done heinous (our definition) acts against humanity, like killing the whole world.

When liberals realize that God is a wrathful God, and that his judgement of said sins will result in said punishment, and realize that these atributes do not negate his immeasurable love, then they are getting close IMO.

But obviously with or without faith, love is by far the greatest attribute of all.

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Actually badfish, the question was, "where does God say the bible is inerrant" You have given us an example of where paul says it is inerrant, but Paul is not God, that is his opinion on the bible. Are there any verses where Jesus says, my apostles are going to right about me, and my works, and everything they right will be completely true and represent everything that I am about. I enjoy the bible, but I think it has been twisted through translations. I believe that people have taken things out of context, and fit today's society, today's values and norms, people once used the bible to justify slavery? Why is that no longer happening? Now they use it to justify poor treatment of other minority groups. The interpretations of the bible change with the culture, which makes it very hard to determine whose interpretation is the correct one.

And still no quotes from Jesus teaching the message that Sean has attributed to him.

Badfish said:

There are a lot of strange liberal Christian concepts IMO.

One that seems prevalant is that a lot of doctrine, like the doctrine of hell, doctrine of Gods sovereignity, doctrine of the judgement, and etc. can be dismissed as long as they are a loving person.

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“Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all they heart, and with all they soul, and will all thy mind and with all thy strength and to love thy neighbor as thyself”. (Mark 12:30-31).

When we look at this requirement of God, we must declare that we have sinned and come short of the glory of God, for we have never, do not now, nor will ever love God and our neighbor in every thought, word and deed. Therefore we have come short of the glory of God and stand beneath the curse of His broken Law.

So then loving thy neighbor alone will not merit salvation, works are dead without faith. Faith requires believing in the gospel of Christ in its fullness, Just loving your neighbor but dismissing other doctrines is not acceptable, That was my point, more precisely. IMO

Of course this concept doesn't apply to the popcorn munching green guy...yet

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And alas! …still no quotes from Jesus teaching the message that Sean has attributed to him.

Badfish said:

1. Good

2. Wrong, Paul wrote to Timothy: "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work" (2 Timothy 3:16,17).

IOW, the Bible is the plenary, verbally inspired, infallible, Word of God.

3. Doesn't take a pulpit pounder, it is not for private interpretation, scripture reveals scripture, ask for the spirit while studying.

4. Nobody said it did.

5. Ok, so?

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Badfish said:

“Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all they heart, and with all thy soul, and will all thy mind and with all thy strength and to love thy neighbor as thyself”. (Mark 12:30-31).

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Interestingly enough, Sean did quote Jesus here, saying the opposite of what you asked for, Brimshack, and then he had a long passage supposedly proving that the quote doesn't count somehow?
Come sit with us, Jill. This is obviously going to take some time and we have food!

*takes a seat*

I'm hear cause I have the munchies

JillLars said:

*takes a seat*

I'm hear cause I have the munchies

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Let's see; I have the candy coated almonds, Polycarp has the Milk Duds, Brimshack has the popcorn and the bag of M&Ms and Karl has the bakery goods, which I highly recommend.
Nice sig, Jill.

Sean has yet to provide any real proof for his assertions and, consequently, both my legs are functioning adequately (that was meant literally, I assume). Still, I find his opinions of some interest.Go on, please, Sean. You were saying?

Yes, but all sorts of interesting theological assumptions and assorted dogmas were asserted in his posts, so I think he is under the impression that Jesus meant somethign else when he commanded people to love. One might wonder if he was putting other people's words on par with those of his blessed savior. But that couldn't be. Surely, there must be some text in which JESUS himself said exactly what Sean said he said.

Hey Jillars, did you bring any snack money. I'm all out and Karl ate all the red licorice.