What day is the Sabbath?
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geocajun said:
Hi Geocajun,
Yes according to the Bible we will even be keeping the TRUE Sabbath (Saturday) in Heaven.
The verse again:
Isaiah 66:22,23 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
A "new moon" in the Bible represents a "new month". So every week on the Sabbath (Saturday) day and every month, all flesh will worship God in Heaven.
Here's the original Hebrew:
2320 chodesh kho'-desh
from 2318; the new moon; by implication, a
month:--month(-ly), new moon.
see HEBREW for 02318
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TheTruthSeeker
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geocajun said:
Hi Geocajun,
The verse again:
Isaiah 66:22,23 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
A "new moon" in the Bible represents a "new month". So every week on the Sabbath (Saturday) day and every month, all flesh will worship God in Heaven.
Here's the original Hebrew:
2320 chodesh kho'-desh
from 2318; the new moon; by implication, a
month:--month(-ly), new moon.
see HEBREW for 02318
Yes, Isaiah 66:22,23 is showing perpetual worship to Jesus. That perpetual worship will fall on every Sabbath (Saturday) day and every month throughout eternity, according to the Bible.
Your brother in Christ,
TheTruthSeeker
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The question is why would worship in heaven not be on the 7th day? When Jesus said that as long as their is heaven and earth that not one jot or tittle would change in the law (Ten Commandments). Worship on the 1st day of the week in heaven would pay homage to a creation of the Antichrist powers of Pagan and Papal Rome, which would be unimagable in heaven where God's law (e.g. Ten Commandments) forms the very foundation of his throne.
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thetruthseeker said:
It seems very obvious that "Sabbath to sabbath, New moon to new moon" is like saying "week to week, month to month" - and it is simply the style of writing which has confused you.
Do you Seventh day adventists worship on new moon days?
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BrightCandle said:
well why not every day? It is heaven after all. I think your question is not about worship, but about rest. and then the question is what to rest from? worship?
What can we rest from in heaven. . .
can you show me where Jesus said that? especially regarding the 10 commandments.
So no one should worship on Sunday? are we all going to hell?
your theology is very shallow and weak.
Thanks be to God for the Catholic Church.
If Sunday worship was good enough for the Apostles, its good enough for me.
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Dear Bro. Geo,
In heaven we will not need to rest because we will not get tired or sick, etc.
Isa. 66:23 makes it clear that the Sabbath is an eternal institution. When Jesus recreates this earth and restores it to its Edenic perfection in a similar way as described in Genesis 2, all flesh will come together in corporate worship before the Son as the re-Creator of the new heavens and the new earth of righteousness and holiness. And according to Isa. 66:23 there will be an added monthly corporate worship on the new moons, following the solar pattern the moon. The Sabbath is different in that aspect, in that it is not based on any solar patterns of the Sun, Moon, or Stars, it is based on a divine 7 day weekly cycle.
Regarding Matthew 5:17-19, Jesus, the great Iam that Iam, was the One who proclaimed the Ten Commandments at Mount Sinai. The moral law is as permanent as God is. And they literally form part of the foundation of his throne in heaven. In the book of Hebrews (Heb. 8:5), it states that Moses was shown the pattern of the earthly sanctuary based on the true sanctuary in heaven. In the earthly sanctuary the presence of God, was right above the arc of the testament, between the two cherubims, with the Ten Commandments below. This was a miniature of the heavenly throne room of God the Father, and God the Son. Who would even think of taking God off his throne and trying to change even one of his Commandments, written with his own finger, in tablets of stone?
One can worship God everyday personally, including Sunday, but the point of the Commandment is that the 7th Day, or Sabbath, has been blessed by the God himself, and deserves our worship corporately, personally, and also entails the cessation of secular activities. Basically, there is a special blessing on the Sabbath, that is not given to the other 6 days, namely the 1st day, Sunday. Remember the number 7 symbolizes perfection, 1, 6, or 8 have never been blessed with the special blessings and requirements that the 7th day has.
You mentioned that: If Sunday worship was good enough for the Apostles, its good enough for me.
The Book of Acts alone gives a records of his holding 84 evangelistic and worship meetings upon the Sabbath. (See Acts 13:14, 44; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4, 11).
While the first day of the week is mentioned only eight times in all the New Testament. (Matthew 28:1; Mark 16:2, 9; Luke 24:1; John 20:1, 19; Acts 20:7; 1 Corinthians 16:2). Six of these texts refer to the same first day of the week. Paul directed the saints to look over their secular affairs on that day. (1 Corinthians 16:2) In all the New testament we have a record of only one religious meeting held upon that day, and even this was a night meeting. (Acts 20:5-12) There is not an intimation that they ever held a meeting upon it before or after that.
From the above texts, you should be able to see the biblical evidence in the NT for Sabbath observance by the Apostles shows a pattern of Sabbath keeping, not Sabbath breaking. Which is in harmony with the literal Greek translation of Hebrews 4:9 So then a Sabbath-keeping has been left behind for the people of God.
In heaven we will not need to rest because we will not get tired or sick, etc.
Isa. 66:23 makes it clear that the Sabbath is an eternal institution. When Jesus recreates this earth and restores it to its Edenic perfection in a similar way as described in Genesis 2, all flesh will come together in corporate worship before the Son as the re-Creator of the new heavens and the new earth of righteousness and holiness. And according to Isa. 66:23 there will be an added monthly corporate worship on the new moons, following the solar pattern the moon. The Sabbath is different in that aspect, in that it is not based on any solar patterns of the Sun, Moon, or Stars, it is based on a divine 7 day weekly cycle.
Regarding Matthew 5:17-19, Jesus, the great Iam that Iam, was the One who proclaimed the Ten Commandments at Mount Sinai. The moral law is as permanent as God is. And they literally form part of the foundation of his throne in heaven. In the book of Hebrews (Heb. 8:5), it states that Moses was shown the pattern of the earthly sanctuary based on the true sanctuary in heaven. In the earthly sanctuary the presence of God, was right above the arc of the testament, between the two cherubims, with the Ten Commandments below. This was a miniature of the heavenly throne room of God the Father, and God the Son. Who would even think of taking God off his throne and trying to change even one of his Commandments, written with his own finger, in tablets of stone?
One can worship God everyday personally, including Sunday, but the point of the Commandment is that the 7th Day, or Sabbath, has been blessed by the God himself, and deserves our worship corporately, personally, and also entails the cessation of secular activities. Basically, there is a special blessing on the Sabbath, that is not given to the other 6 days, namely the 1st day, Sunday. Remember the number 7 symbolizes perfection, 1, 6, or 8 have never been blessed with the special blessings and requirements that the 7th day has.
You mentioned that: If Sunday worship was good enough for the Apostles, its good enough for me.
The Book of Acts alone gives a records of his holding 84 evangelistic and worship meetings upon the Sabbath. (See Acts 13:14, 44; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4, 11).
While the first day of the week is mentioned only eight times in all the New Testament. (Matthew 28:1; Mark 16:2, 9; Luke 24:1; John 20:1, 19; Acts 20:7; 1 Corinthians 16:2). Six of these texts refer to the same first day of the week. Paul directed the saints to look over their secular affairs on that day. (1 Corinthians 16:2) In all the New testament we have a record of only one religious meeting held upon that day, and even this was a night meeting. (Acts 20:5-12) There is not an intimation that they ever held a meeting upon it before or after that.
From the above texts, you should be able to see the biblical evidence in the NT for Sabbath observance by the Apostles shows a pattern of Sabbath keeping, not Sabbath breaking. Which is in harmony with the literal Greek translation of Hebrews 4:9 So then a Sabbath-keeping has been left behind for the people of God.
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BrightCandle said:
Hi BrightCandle,
Jesus was not tired when He rested on the first Sabbath (Saturday) either. However, He rested.
Genesis 2:2, 3 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
What makes anything devine? Jesus. The verse above says that Jesus (God) made the Sabbath (the 7th day, Saturday) devine. Anything outside of the word of God is a stretch or human philosophy. The 7th day (Sabbath, Saturday) was devine even before sin entered this Earth and so will it be when sin leaves this Earth.
I agree on your understanding of continuance of the Sabbath (Saturday) in the New Testament.
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Godzman said:
Hi Godzman,
Where does it say in the Bible that "Sunday is for the Christians?" Remember, we are talking about the Bible here not theories or philosophies.
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thetruthseeker said:
never did I say that the bible said it, but the Christian Jews would go to the temple and the synagogues, but also meet on Sunday to celebrate the resurection, as I have said in the other thread, I believe in honoring him everyday, of course it could be a big long discussion, but here is something every Christian should do....
Monday...Sunday honor the Lord, Sunday or Saturday go to church to be with fellow believers, and if you have service the rest of the week go then to.
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Godzman said:
Hi Godzman,
Then Godzman, if the Bible says that Saturday is the Sabbath why are you rejecting what the Bible says?
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thetruthseeker said:
I aint rejecting what the bible says, I see it as a minor issue, shouldn't we celebrate as Christians on the resurrection day as well as everyday of the week.
Sabbath could be a Saturday or a Sunday, days are different in different cultures.
I'm just saying those who stress the issue or missing the point that all week we should be honoring God, that day was a day for the Jews to lay aside for God, as Chrisitians it is our duty to devote everday to our Lord and SAviour Jesus Christ
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Godzman said:
Hi Godzman,
Who told you that it is minor to disobey Jesus?
A other cultures following the Bible if they replace Sunday with the true Sabbath (Saturda)?
I worship Jesus every morning and evening. I encourage everyone to worship God daily. However, Jesus asks that we give Him a complete day on the Sabbath (Saturday).
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thetruthseeker said:
I imagine your a seventh day adventist right, I don't feel that God is crying over not meeting on Saturday, I'm pentecostal, a/g in fact and I have been to services on saturday, but going to church doesn't make me honor him, actually serving him does.
See maybe I see that my relationship with God is important everday of the week, and I am attending Central Bible College, I have church all week, but my devotions and prayer time with God, is how I honor him.
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Hi Godzman,Godzman said:
Again, opinions have absolutely nothing to do with the Bible. I worship Jesus everyday (morning and evening) however, I give to Jesus my entire Sabbath (Saturday) day. Why? Because He asked for it. This is loyalty. This is love. This is duty.
According to the Bible:
Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
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thetruthseeker said:
Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, and mind and Love your neighbor as yourself.
The sabbath is a day, a day on the calender, ok I will honor God on Saturday too.
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Hi Godzman,Godzman said:
The Sabbath is more than just a day. It is the 7th day, a Holy day, according to the Bible.
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Hello, I don t consider myself a bible scholar, but I do have some knowledge of God's word. Can you can explain the following verses from the book of Romans?thetruthseeker said:
Romans 14:5-6
One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers everyday alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his mind. He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God, and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.
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