Movie "Birth"--entertainment or inappropriate?

Status
Not open for further replies.

ZiSunka

It means 'yellow dog'
Jan 16, 2002
17,005
284
✟38,767.00
Faith
Christian
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/28/earlyshow/leisure/celebspot/main652136.shtml

In a nutshell, Nicole Kidman plays a grieving widow who meets a ten year old boy and falls in love with him she thinks he is the reincarnation of her dead husband. In one scene, they are in the bathtub together. Kidman claims it is non-sexual, but really, in the bathtub together and it isn't sexual? :rolleyes:

Do you think this movie is harmless entertainment about the supernatural, or do you think it is child inappropriate content?
 

jcright

Truth Seeker
May 27, 2004
499
40
50
Michigan
Visit site
✟917.00
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Republican
lambslove said:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/28/earlyshow/leisure/celebspot/main652136.shtml

In a nutshell, Nicole Kidman plays a grieving widow who meets a ten year old boy and falls in love with him she thinks he is the reincarnation of her dead husband. In one scene, they are in the bathtub together. Kidman claims it is non-sexual, but really, in the bathtub together and it isn't sexual? :rolleyes:

Do you think this movie is harmless entertainment about the supernatural, or do you think it is child inappropriate content?
Up until you mentioned a bathtub scene I would have thought it was silly entertainment. However, I now have to wonder how that experience effects the 10 year old boy.
 
Upvote 0

d0c markus

The harvest is plentiful, but the laborers are few
Oct 30, 2003
2,474
77
40
✟3,060.00
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Single
jcright said:
What's that? Kid inappropriate content or the idea of reincarnation?
lets live on the wild side - BOTH, though I think Kiddie inappropriate content would be the more likely as we are moving away from the spiritual.
 
Upvote 0

Gold Dragon

Senior Veteran
Aug 8, 2004
2,134
125
47
Toronto, Ontario
✟10,460.00
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
lambslove said:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/28/earlyshow/leisure/celebspot/main652136.shtml

In a nutshell, Nicole Kidman plays a grieving widow who meets a ten year old boy and falls in love with him she thinks he is the reincarnation of her dead husband. In one scene, they are in the bathtub together. Kidman claims it is non-sexual, but really, in the bathtub together and it isn't sexual? :rolleyes:

Do you think this movie is harmless entertainment about the supernatural, or do you think it is child inappropriate content?
I don't know why I know this since I haven't been up on current movies in a long time, but I read that it is the ten year old boy that claims to be her dead husband and loves her. The kid announces he is a reincarnation of the dead husband on the night she announces her engagement to what was supposed to be her 2nd husband. I assume he knows all sorts of details and secrets that nobody else should know and it freaks her out.

Anyway, I don't plan on seeing this mostly because it sounds like a bad movie trying to capitalize on the "shock factor" of this bathtub scene and will surely raise questions about pedophilia. Not to mention bordering if not being over the line on kiddie inappropriate content. No thanks.
 
Upvote 0

ZiSunka

It means 'yellow dog'
Jan 16, 2002
17,005
284
✟38,767.00
Faith
Christian
Gold Dragon said:
I assume he knows all sorts of details and secrets that nobody else should know and it freaks her out.
I saw a interview with Kidman on Wednesday after the game and she said that the character Anna falls in love with the little boy because she wants to believe that he is her dead husband. He doesn't have any convincing details of their lives or anything, he merely observes her life and the pictures she has around of her and the Dead Hubby, then tells her what she needs to hear.

The interviewer, who saw the movie, said that he couldn't believe that an adult would fall for the child based on his claim to be the DH's reincarnation, but Kidman said she can totally identify with the idea, because when a woman really loves and man then loses him, she will believe anything that might return that lost love to her. She said that on some level Anna knows the boy is not her husband but she wants him to be so she lets the deception take hold in her heart.

She said over and over that the tub scene is not supposed to be sexual, just an expression of the love she still has for the DH and that the character needs to do the scene because she has unresolved feelings for the husband. I don't think a nude scene between a boy and an unrelated woman can be anything other than sexual, even if the movie's makers didn't intend it to be that way. Several theaters are saying they are reluctant to show the film for fear of breaking the laws against kiddie inappropriate content.
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

Ave Maria

Ave Maria Gratia Plena
May 31, 2004
41,090
1,993
41
Diocese of Evansville, IN
✟108,361.00
Country
United States
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Republican
Upvote 0

ZiSunka

It means 'yellow dog'
Jan 16, 2002
17,005
284
✟38,767.00
Faith
Christian
Holly3278 said:
I definitely won't be seeing the movie! This is just way overboard in my opinion. :sigh: Here is a good Christian review of the movie:

http://christiananswers.net/spotlight/movies/2004/birth2004.html
Good article, especially the ten points refuting reincarnation from a Christian perspective.

Ten Refutations of Reincarnation

  1. It is contradicted by Scripture (Heb 9:27).
  2. It is contradicted by Biblical witness in all Christian churches.
  3. It would reduce the Incarnation (referring to Christ’s incarnation) to a mere appearance, the crucifixion to an accident, and Christ to one among many philosophers or great thinkers. It would also confuse what Christ did at Calvary.
  4. It implies that God made a mistake in designing our souls to live in bodies, that we are really pure spirits in prison or angels in costume.
  5. It is contradicted by psychology and common sense, for its view of souls as imprisoned in alien bodies denies the natural psychosomatic unity.
  6. It entails a very low view of the body, as a prison, a punishment.
  7. It usually blames sin on the body and the body’s power to confuse and darken the mind. This is passing the buck from soul to body, as well as from will to mind, and a confusion of the reality of sin with ignorance.
  8. The idea that we are reincarnated in order to learn lessons we failed to learn in a past earthly life is contrary to both common sense and basic educational psychology. I cannot learn something if there is no continuity of memory. I can learn from my mistakes only if I remember them. People do not usually remember these past “reincarnations.”
  9. The supposed evidence for reincarnation, ‘rememberings’ from past lives that come out under hypnosis or “past life regression” can be explained—if they truly occur at all—as mental telepathy from other living beings, from the souls of dead humans in purgatory or hell, or from demons. The real possibility of the latter should make us absolutely terrified about opening our souls to “past life regressions.”
  10. Reincarnation cannot account for itself. Just why are our souls imprisoned in bodies? Is it the just punishment for evils we committed in past reincarnations? But why were those past reincarnations necessary? For the same reason. But the beginning of the process that justly imprisoned our souls in bodies in the first place—this must have antedated the series of bodies. How could we have committed evil in the state of perfect, pure, heavenly spirituality? Further, if we sinned in that paradise, it is not paradisical after all. Yet that is the state that reincarnation is supposed to lead us back to after all our embodied yearnings are over.
 
Upvote 0

NicodemusPrime

Sola scriptura
Sep 9, 2004
76
8
42
Baton Rouge, Louisiana
✟7,738.00
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Republican
What do you think people would be saying if the genders were reversed. If it was a middle aged man nude in a tub with a pre-pubescent girl. There would be almost universal outrage directed at this film. This is disgusting and as close to child inappropriate content as we have come in the mainstream media in recent memory.

Anyone remember the movies Blue Lagoon, Pretty Baby, or Lolita. The reincarnation issue is minor in this case, I think in Hollywood's mind it is just plausible context for a little experimentation with pedophelia. Hollywood will continue to push the boundary of decency until we push back.

In my opinion the true measure of a society's corruption is not murder or crime rates, warmongering, etc. The real measure is sexual immorality. When the rules regarding appropriate sexual behavior are blurrred/discarded, all other morality is dragged down with them.
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

Matthan

Veteran
Aug 21, 2004
1,450
214
Upstate New York
✟2,689.00
Faith
Baptist
People, look at the broader issue here. This is obviously just another attempt by the godless Hollywood "elite" to desensitize American culture. They will call it "just entertainment" and claim it is the director's own expression of his (or her) free speech and interpretive license. They will forever deny that it contains anything that any "real" person would object to. And, worst of all, there will probably be tens of thousands of individuals that view it and end up taking away their own views, each and every one of which is just a little farther from God's Truth. Satan is alive and well, and living in Beverly Hills.

Matthan
 
Upvote 0
F

~Forgiven~

Guest
They are in a bathtub together........

Hello! Right there. They had to act this scene to begin with. No matter what is showed on film, they had to be in there together to film it. Would not this act to begin with be illegal?

Obviously the parents of this child see money more important than selling out their child's innocense. The all might buck prevails yet once again! I wouldn't be surpirsed if this little boy grows up to have social problems. Parents are supposed to guide their children in the right path and the law is supposed to protect them. Seems like both ends have failed in this.

It is the shock factor they are looking for. Things get more and more accepted the more they expose it. I hate to see what comes of this soon.

Well.....Kidman is definately off of my must see movies lists in the future. How can I ever watch her in any movie after this?


Forgiven
 
  • Like
Reactions: ZiSunka
Upvote 0
Status
Not open for further replies.