Coming Monday -Could it be bad news for Kerry?

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Whyzdom said:
Ok... more digging today from the Blogs, it appears that the big Washington Post news story that is gonna break is....


Osama Bin Laden is dead.

This isn't fully confirmed, but that is the main bet from those inside with loose lips.

That means I win my bet: that Osama bin Laden would either be captured, or found dead within four weeks of the election.

I do so love the lobster bisque and the rabbit cooked three ways at The Mansion!
 
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jameseb said:
I doubt there's much to it either. Just hyped rumor. However, I could be eating my foot in the next 24 hours, but I honestly doubt it.

Foot is very tough, and there's not a lot of meat on it.

Also, you have to marinate it FOREVER... ;)
 
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elanor said:
I just heard on the Today Show: This morning the Washington Post endorsed Kerry for President.
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Kerry!

Oh and ... if that "Kerry donated money to terrorists" thing was true (which i doubt it is) - who the heck do yu think has the bestest of ties with the bin laden family and other countries (Saudi Arabia) which sponsors terror? - Bushy does!;)
 
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And not just a "nice" liberal, but one who gets right up into people's faces and tells them that they're wrong when they're wrong!

And actually, God -- if I haven't thanked You for giving me that purpose, please allow me to do it now!

Speaking as a diabetic who could benefit from stem cell research: I know it's far more noble for diabetics like me to have our heart attacks, our kidney failures, and to have our limbs amputated one by one so that we can die betwen the age 60 and 70 than it is to do the research using stem cells so that we don't HAVE to die these lingering deaths -- but then again, I've also been told by probably not-so-well-meaning conservatives that diabetes is "God's punishment" for my being a liberal; and I've also received email from CF members wishing me a slow, agonizing death! (Thanks, guys. I love you, too.)

You want a President who "chooses life". What about the 153 people your President killed by lethal injection in Huntsville while he was governor of Texas (six of whom were later found to be innocent). What about the 20,000 Iraqi civilians who have been killed, even though NO weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq. What about allocating money for AIDS prevention in Africa -- and then withdrawing the money from the budget? Frankly, I don't think a person like that is "Godly", at all.

And as far as the "legality" of homosexuality -- is it just possible that homosexuals could have the unmitigated gall to believe that THEY have a right to life just as much as us; that they think they are human beings every bit as much as us; and maybe they'd like to be left alone just as much as us?

Let's take a hypothetical case -- but one which is likely to come up in the next very few years. A test is developed which shows if a fetus's eventual sexual orientation will be heterosexual or homosexual. The test shows that the baby will be homosexual.

Does a baby whose sexual orientation is determined, embyronically, to be homosexual have a "right to life" and a "right to be homosexual" if allowed to come to term? Or should the parents have the right to abort such a baby?

Whether we like it or not, science and morality DO work together. We may have the science to play with our genes, but considering the number of people who were killed in the 20th century world wars and genocides, I don't think we may be morally developed enough to risk playing with our genes.

Finally, if I WERE a test tube baby, I'd hope I'd grow up to be a liberal!

Liberal, liberal, liberal: I just LOVE the word "liberal"!

Les Grands Pieds said:
What about comprimising his "strong convicitions". The life of a baby is not precious. He believes that science is more important than morality. That isn't the kind of president that I want running my country. I want a president who chooses life, not death.
That's a really hateful thing to say. I think that Bush has a lot of Godly reasons for the things that he does and you should notice that. What about saying that homosexuality and embryonic stem cell research should both be legal. That's messed up. I want a president who has a problem with killing babies, I don't care if they come from a test tube, God still created them and they still have the right to have a life. Just because their womb is glass does not mean that God doesn't weave them together just like any other baby.
What if YOU were a test tube baby and nobody ever told you. Would you be okay with being aborted at your current age? After all, you should have been aborted, lets just do it now. Would you have a problem with that? If you are okay with this embryonic stem cell research, technically you should be perfectly fine with it.
Just because you weren't born in a real womb doesn't mean you can't be a real person. You are blessed to have been born for a greater purpose than just to die before you had a chance to change the world.
 
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UberLutheran said:
Speaking as a diabetic who could benefit from stem cell research: I know it's far more noble for diabetics like me to have our heart attacks, our kidney failures, and to have our limbs amputated one by one so that we can die betwen the age 60 and 70 than it is to do the research using stem cells so that we don't HAVE to die these lingering deaths -- but then again, I've also been told by probably not-so-well-meaning conservatives that diabetes is "God's punishment" for my being a liberal; and I've also received email from CF members wishing me a slow, agonizing death! (Thanks, guys. I love you, too.
Why not go with the research that has already proven promising? Instead of placing your hopes on the destroyed remains of a human?

The discovery, by Dr. Mehboob A. Hussain and colleagues at the New York University School of Medicine, emerged from experiments with mice, but the same is very likely to be true of people, too, Hussain said. It raises the possibility of treating diabetics with stem cells from their own bone marrow, relieving them of the chore of regular insulin injections.

Bone marrow has long been recognized as the home of the progenitor cells that ceaselessly replenish the new red and white cells of the blood. But it harbors more than blood stem cells: Its cells recently have been found to repair the liver, the heart and now the pancreas
http://www.defeatdiabetes.org/Articles/stemcell030319.htm

Scientists at Massachusetts General Hospital have successfully turned adult stem cells into insulin-producing cells that could reverse diabetes
http://www.stemcellresearch.org/stemcellreport/scr-2002-fall.htm
 
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UberLutheran said:
And not just a "nice" liberal, but one who gets right up into people's faces and tells them that they're wrong when they're wrong!

And actually, God -- if I haven't thanked You for giving me that purpose, please allow me to do it now!

Speaking as a diabetic who could benefit from stem cell research: I know it's far more noble for diabetics like me to have our heart attacks, our kidney failures, and to have our limbs amputated one by one so that we can die betwen the age 60 and 70 than it is to do the research using stem cells so that we don't HAVE to die these lingering deaths -- but then again, I've also been told by probably not-so-well-meaning conservatives that diabetes is "God's punishment" for my being a liberal; and I've also received email from CF members wishing me a slow, agonizing death! (Thanks, guys. I love you, too.)
First off, you seem a bit melodramatic here. With proper care diabetes can be handled. As for members of CF doing this, if they did, I would hope that you report them.

You want a President who "chooses life". What about the 153 people your President killed by lethal injection in Huntsville while he was governor of Texas (six of whom were later found to be innocent).
Do you have data to back this up? I looked and I couldn't find any to back this claim up.


What about the 20,000 Iraqi civilians who have been killed, even though NO weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq. What about allocating money for AIDS prevention in Africa -- and then withdrawing the money from the budget? Frankly, I don't think a person like that is "Godly", at all.
The U.S. Soldiers haven't killed 20,000 Civilians and you know it. Blame it on the terrorist cells that are there, blame it on Saddam old regime..the remnants... but you can't say that the U.S. has caused 20,000 Civilian Deaths.

And as far as the "legality" of homosexuality -- is it just possible that homosexuals could have the unmitigated gall to believe that THEY have a right to life just as much as us; that they think they are human beings every bit as much as us; and maybe they'd like to be left alone just as much as us?
Is that what you will say to God when you have to give an accounting of your deeds and works? But God... homosexuals have a right to marry as well.

Let's take a hypothetical case -- but one which is likely to come up in the next very few years. A test is developed which shows if a fetus's eventual sexual orientation will be heterosexual or homosexual. The test shows that the baby will be homosexual.

Does a baby whose sexual orientation is determined, embyronically, to be homosexual have a "right to life" and a "right to be homosexual" if allowed to come to term? Or should the parents have the right to abort such a baby?
Right to life isn't discriminate. A right to life is just that..

Whether we like it or not, science and morality DO work together. We may have the science to play with our genes, but considering the number of people who were killed in the 20th century world wars and genocides, I don't think we may be morally developed enough to risk playing with our genes.

Finally, if I WERE a test tube baby, I'd hope I'd grow up to be a liberal!

Liberal, liberal, liberal: I just LOVE the word "liberal"!

So are you for... or against Stem Cell? You state you are for it... but your sentence here says you are against playing with our Genes? Can't have both.
 
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Kerry's only strong convictions are the belief that he should not have convictions. No baby killing, no surrender to terror, it's about doing what's right, not what's popular. Liberals can say all they want, but God has problems with both homosexuality and abortion. They're NOT good things and they should not be seen as acceptable in our society. There are few things worse than abortion and few things more perverse than homosexuality. Come on, human sexuality is a 2 piece puzzle. It's not a hard puzzle to put together!

Kerry is an antichrist. He claims to be an "alter boy" when the only altering going on is his side on the important issues! He's obviously very conflicted with himself and he needs to seek psycological help.

He has no idea how much his "plan" is going to cost. It should be obvious to the masses that this is a fatal plan for the economy if there ever was one.

Kerry's views are secular and if you agree with them you should be ashamed of yourself for conforming to the ways of this world! You liberals need to grow up and look at the consequences of your actions!

A fresh perspective, huh? Well Kerry isn't going to be able to do any better than Bush. Israel and Iran have been at war with each other for thousands of years. A fresh face isn't gonna do anything to change their minds. If anything, terrorists will be disgusted by Kerry's liberal views and their desire to harm us would grow even more!

You liberals are very, very dangerous. Welcome to the real world. It's not all about you!
 
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Les Grands Pieds said:
Kerry's views are secular and if you agree with them you should be ashamed of yourself for conforming to the ways of this world! You liberals need to grow up and look at the consequences of your actions!

I'm secular and very proud of it. The opposite of secularism is to impose one's religion onto others using government power and that's morally wrong. You don't have the moral right to impose your mythology onto others.
 
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Les Grands Pieds said:
Kerry's only strong convictions are the belief that he should not have convictions. No baby killing, no surrender to terror, it's about doing what's right, not what's popular. Liberals can say all they want, but God has problems with both homosexuality and abortion.
Unless He's specifically tasked you with ridding the world of these evils, I'd say you need to let God deal with them. The Constitution says that, too.
They're NOT good things and they should not be seen as acceptable in our society. There are few things worse than abortion and few things more perverse than homosexuality. Come on, human sexuality is a 2 piece puzzle. It's not a hard puzzle to put together!
You're not going to win an anti-homosexuality argument on any front, save perhaps Scriptural. You undoubtedly lack the requisite understanding of biology, as evidenced by your absurdly simplistic comment about human sexuality. I'm just telling you this so your exercise in futility doesn't banish this thread to Philosophy.
Kerry is an antichrist.
You don't have any idea what qualities an antichrist is supposed to have.
He claims to be an "alter boy" when the only altering going on is his side on the important issues! He's obviously very conflicted with himself and he needs to seek psycological help.
You don't have any business suggesting "psychological help" to anyone.
He has no idea how much his "plan" is going to cost. It should be obvious to the masses that this is a fatal plan for the economy if there ever was one.
I dunno. Big tax cuts + two-front war is the runaway leader in economy destruction so far.
Kerry's views are secular and if you agree with them you should be ashamed of yourself for conforming to the ways of this world! You liberals need to grow up and look at the consequences of your actions!
You need to wake up and read the Constitution.
A fresh perspective, huh? Well Kerry isn't going to be able to do any better than Bush. Israel and Iran have been at war with each other for thousands of years.
Or 60. But hey, who's counting?
A fresh face isn't gonna do anything to change their minds. If anything, terrorists will be disgusted by Kerry's liberal views and their desire to harm us would grow even more!
Do you really not have enough reasons to hate Kerry that you need to make up extremely silly ones?
You liberals are very, very dangerous. Welcome to the real world. It's not all about you!
I like good irony as much as the next guy, but this is ridiculous.
 
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Les Grands Pieds said:
Kerry's only strong convictions are the belief that he should not have convictions. No baby killing, no surrender to terror, it's about doing what's right, not what's popular. Liberals can say all they want, but God has problems with both homosexuality and abortion. They're NOT good things and they should not be seen as acceptable in our society. There are few things worse than abortion and few things more perverse than homosexuality. Come on, human sexuality is a 2 piece puzzle. It's not a hard puzzle to put together!

Kerry is an antichrist. He claims to be an "alter boy" when the only altering going on is his side on the important issues! He's obviously very conflicted with himself and he needs to seek psycological help.

He has no idea how much his "plan" is going to cost. It should be obvious to the masses that this is a fatal plan for the economy if there ever was one.

Kerry's views are secular and if you agree with them you should be ashamed of yourself for conforming to the ways of this world! You liberals need to grow up and look at the consequences of your actions!

A fresh perspective, huh? Well Kerry isn't going to be able to do any better than Bush. Israel and Iran have been at war with each other for thousands of years. A fresh face isn't gonna do anything to change their minds. If anything, terrorists will be disgusted by Kerry's liberal views and their desire to harm us would grow even more!

You liberals are very, very dangerous. Welcome to the real world. It's not all about you!

Kerry is an anti-Christ? Liberals are dangerous?

Can we turn up the heated ad-hominems a little more? Yikes! :eek:



In my opinion, Kerry is able to separate his own personal religeous views, from the roll of government. He believes, as I and many others believe, in the constitutional principle of the separation of church and state. Even though I'll probably vote for Bush, I have to give credit to Kerry on this one. :)
 
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