A failed Israeli society is collapsing

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The International Herald Tribune

Saturday, September 6, 2003 | Avraham Burg

A failed Israeli society is collapsing, The end of Zionism?

JERUSALEM The Zionist revolution has always rested on two pillars: a just path and an ethical leadership. Neither of these is operative any longer. The Israeli nation today rests on a scaffolding of corruption, and on foundations of oppression and injustice. As such, the end of the Zionist enterprise is already on our doorstep. There is a real chance that ours will be the last Zionist generation. There may yet be a Jewish state in the Middle East, but it will be a different sort, strange and ugly.
There is time to change course, but not much. What is needed is a new vision of a just society and the political will to implement it. Nor is this merely an internal Israeli affair. Diaspora Jews for whom Israel is a central pillar of their identity must pay heed and speak out. If the pillar collapses, the upper floors will come crashing down.

The Israeli opposition does not exist, and the coalition government, with Prime Minister Ariel Sharon at its head, claims the right to remain silent. In a nation of chatterboxes, everyone has suddenly fallen dumb, because there's nothing left to say. We live in a thunderously failed reality.

Yes, we Israelis have revived the Hebrew language, created a marvelous theater and a strong national currency. Our Jewish minds are as sharp as ever. We are traded on the Nasdaq. But is this why we created a state? The Jewish people did not survive for two millennia in order to pioneer new weaponry, computer security programs or antimissile missiles. We were supposed to be a light unto the nations. In this we have failed.

It turns out that the 2,000-year struggle for Jewish survival comes down to a state of settlements, run by an amoral clique of corrupt lawbreakers who are deaf both to their citizens and to their enemies. A state lacking justice cannot survive. More and more Israelis are coming to understand this as they ask their children where they expect to live in 25 years. Children who are honest admit, to their parents' shock, that they do not know. The countdown to the end of Israeli society has begun.

It is very comfortable to be a Zionist in West Bank settlements such as Beit El and Ofra. The biblical landscape is charming. From the window you can gaze through the geraniums and bougainvillea and not see the occupation. Traveling on the fast highway that takes you from Ramot on Jerusalem's northern edge to Gilo on the southern edge, a 12-minute trip just west of the Palestinian roadblocks, it's hard to comprehend the humiliating experience of the despised Arab who must creep for hours along the pocked, blockaded roads assigned to him. One road for the occupier, one road for the occupied.

This cannot work. Even if the Arabs lower their heads and swallow their shame and anger forever, it won't work. A structure built on human callousness will inevitably collapse in on itself. Note this moment well: Zionism's superstructure is already collapsing like a cheap Jerusalem wedding hall. Only madmen continue dancing on the top floor while the pillars below are collapsing.

Israel, having ceased to care about the children of the Palestinians, should not be surprised when they come washed in hatred and blow themselves up in the centers of Israeli escapism. They consign themselves to Allah in our places of recreation, because their own lives are torture. They spill their own blood in our restaurants in order to ruin our appetites, because they have children and parents at home who are hungry and humiliated.

We could kill a thousand ringleaders and engineers a day and nothing will be solved, because the leaders come up from below - from the wells of hatred and anger, from the "infrastructures" of injustice and moral corruption.

If all this were inevitable, divinely ordained and immutable, I would be silent. But things could be different, and so crying out is a moral imperative.

Here is what the prime minister should say to the people:
The time for illusions is over. The time for decisions has arrived. We love the entire land of our forefathers and in some other time we would have wanted to live here alone. But that will not happen. The Arabs, too, have dreams and needs.

Between the Jordan and the Mediterranean there is no longer a clear Jewish majority. And so, fellow citizens, it is not possible to keep the whole thing without paying a price. We cannot keep a Palestinian majority under an Israeli boot and at the same time think ourselves the only democracy in the Middle East. There cannot be democracy without equal rights for all who live here, Arab as well as Jew. We cannot keep the territories and preserve a Jewish majority in the world's only Jewish state - not by means that are humane and moral and Jewish.

Do you want the greater Land of Israel? No problem. Abandon democracy. Let's institute an efficient system of racial separation here, with prison camps and detention villages. Qalqilya Ghetto and Gulag Jenin.

Do you want a Jewish majority? No problem. Either put the Arabs on railway cars, buses, camels and donkeys and expel them en masse - or separate ourselves from them absolutely, without tricks and gimmicks. There is no middle path. We must remove all the settlements - all of them - and draw an internationally recognized border between the Jewish national home and the Palestinian national home. The Jewish Law of Return will apply only within our national home, and their right of return will apply only within the borders of the Palestinian state.

Do you want democracy? No problem. Either abandon the greater Land of Israel, to the last settlement and outpost, or give full citizenship and voting rights to everyone, including Arabs. The result, of course, will be that those who did not want a Palestinian state alongside us will have one in our midst, via the ballot box.

That's what the prime minister should say to the people. He should present the choices forthrightly: Jewish racism or democracy. Settlements or hope for both peoples. False visions of barbed wire, roadblocks and suicide bombers, or a recognized international border between two states and a shared capital in Jerusalem.

But there is no prime minister in Jerusalem. The disease eating away at the body of Zionism has already attacked the head. David Ben-Gurion sometimes erred, but he remained straight as an arrow. When Menachem Begin was wrong, nobody impugned his motives. No longer. Polls published two weeks ago showed that a majority of Israelis do not believe in the personal integrity of the prime minister - yet they trust his political leadership. In other words, Israel's current prime minister personally embodies both halves of the curse: suspect personal morals and open disregard for the law - combined with the brutality of occupation and the trampling of any chance for peace. This is our nation, these its leaders. The inescapable conclusion is that the Zionist revolution is dead.

Why, then, is the opposition so quiet? Perhaps because it's summer, or because they are tired, or because some would like to join the government at any price, even the price of participating in the sickness. But while they dither, the forces of good lose hope.

This is the time for clear alternatives. Anyone who declines to present a clear-cut position - black or white - is in effect collaborating in the decline. It is not a matter of Labor versus Likud or right versus left, but of right versus wrong, acceptable versus unacceptable. The law-abiding versus the lawbreakers. What is needed is not a political replacement for the Sharon government but a vision of hope, an alternative to the destruction of Zionism and its values by the deaf, dumb and callous.

Israel's friends abroad - Jewish and non-Jewish alike, presidents and prime ministers, rabbis and lay people - should choose as well. They must reach out and help Israel to navigate the road map toward our national destiny as a light unto the nations and a society of peace, justice and equality.
 

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For all the billions in aid and unrecovered loans we give Israel every year, and for the billions more thay make reselling our military technology to China, I would expect a little more optimism over there. Maybe if they drop another big bomb on a Palestinian apartment building, in the middle of the night, it'll make them feel better.

Isreal keeps the occupied territories in the anarchy of stateless limbo and then accuses them of not doing anything to control terrorism while Isreal continues unabated terrorism against the Palestinians. If there were a Palestinian George Washtington, Isreal would have assassinated him.
 
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Difficult when you have two peoples that claim the same land based upon history. Here in the USA, you make a home wherever you live, there, they have to have this or that location, and will fight forver over it.

The Muslims are not easy people, they believe they are right, and their religion has been one of militaristic expansion from day one. Wresting land from them has been ongoing since the late 1800's and the fighting has been ongoing for over 50 years now. It will be endless. I guess we could look at the peace with Egypt and Israel, but that is more a function of the USA paying and bribing the Egyptians than any other reason. This has cost US, the USA untold billions, our support of Israel. The Bible says support the Jews, and honor them, I guess this is the cost of doing so.
 
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First, this article was written by a leading member of Israel's leftist Oslo Camp. Of course he is going to view today's Israel as a failure because he, like his leftist colleagues, viewed their way as the only hope.

Second, eliminating men who would gleefully murder your children at the first opportunity is not terrorism. What Israel engages in is preemptive anti-terrorist military operations. The deaths of any innocents that accompany those operations are the sole responsibility of the terrorists who chose to live among them.

Third - why all the bashing of Israel because of US aid? Egypt also gets billions in US aid per year and the Egyptians by and large don't even like the US! With the Israelis, at least your money is going to someone who whole-heartedly supports you, even when your nation is in moral decay under the leadership of a womanizing adulterer.
 
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RyaninZion said:
First, this article was written by a leading member of Israel's leftist Oslo Camp. Of course he is going to view today's Israel as a failure because he, like his leftist colleagues, viewed their way as the only hope.

Third - why all the bashing of Israel because of US aid? Egypt also gets billions in US aid per year and the Egyptians by and large don't even like the US! With the Israelis, at least your money is going to someone who whole-heartedly supports you, even when your nation is in moral decay under the leadership of a womanizing adulterer.

I mentioned that. Egypt gets 3 billion a year or more to bribe them for peace in the region.

And get up to speed, Clinton was the last womanzier we had as president, Bush, the current president hasn't had that problem that we know of.
 
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I meant Clinton... sorry for not making that clear.

The elimination of terrorists is slightly different than a death sentence in a court of law. Israel is at war with these people, just as the US is at war with Al Qaeda. Yes, the US arrests and puts on trial some terrorists, but more often than not attempts to kill them.

In war, you don't aim to capture and try your enemy, you aim to eliminate and defeat him.
 
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RyaninZion said:
why all the bashing of Israel because of US aid? Egypt also gets billions in US aid per year and the Egyptians by and large don't even like the US! With the Israelis, at least your money is going to someone who whole-heartedly supports you,

The money Egypt gets is to pay them to be nice to Israel (which still illegally occupies Egyption land, BTW). Egyptian aid is also the cost of supporting Israel.

Israel supports us whole-heartedly? HAHAHA, thanks for the whole-hearted laugh! Israel spies on us. Sharon openly said the US is not a friend of Israel. Isreal refuses to extradite American criminals who flee to Israel. Israel tried to sink the USS Liberty. Mossad probably had prior knowledge fo the 9-11 attack. Israel resells military technology we give them (and they openly reserve the right to do this by being about the only country in the world to refuse to sign the nuclear anti-proliferation treaty). Israel refuses to uphold its end of Bush's peace plan, Etc.

Just what does Israel do that makes you think they whole-heartedly support us? Didn't we just overthrow Saddam for them and not get a word of thanks from Sharon?
 
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Saint Philip said:
Two questions:

1) If not for the Bible, would you still say that we are handling Israel right?

2) Where does the Bible say to support and honor the Jews?

i assume since bible says jews are "god's chosen people". how ironic that the "chosen ones" will burn in hell if they don't convert come end days.... :rolleyes:
 
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Saint Philip said:
Two questions:

1) If not for the Bible, would you still say that we are handling Israel right?

2) Where does the Bible say to support and honor the Jews?

No. If it were NOT for the Bible, I would tell the Jews "good luck" pay for your own real estate and expansionist dreams yourself. Or get your co-religionists around the world to ante in, the Jews are very well off financially in most nations.

All over the place the Bible goes on to tell us to support and honor the Jews, both in the OT and NT writings. That is clear as can be.
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A shade off-topic, but I believe if the United States would cease sending foreign aid to Israel, Egypt, and every other country in the world which is tapped into the American well of endless money, George Bush wouldn't have to ask Congress for one dime to rebuild Iraq.


We should re-route all that money to where it's needed, not continue supporting the assorted parasites on our dole.

IMHO.
 
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Saint Phillip, I can see you have many assumptions about Israel that have been formed by hearsay. I suggest you take some time to learn the truth. You are regurgitating other people's lies.

I have lived in Israel half my life, and can tell you that you are flat out wrong on almost everything you just claimed.
 
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Moreover the fact that we, the US, stood by and allowed hundreds of terrorist prisoners to be released (in light of the roadmap of course) is just assinine! Would we have released any of our terrorist captives?

On another tangent.....I think, as long as all goes well with the war on terror, the PLO and those who support them will be in the crosshairs of the war on terror at some point in the future. I'm sure there are regional reasons they aren't right now, but at the very least we should allow the Israelis to take care of the matter themselves.

I hear all this talk about Israeli aggression and Israeli terrorism, but all I see in Israeli military, that's the key word, action is response to flagrant inhuman massacres. What other country wouldn't do the same.......or more? It's time to boot the leadership of the PLO and take a no holds barred approach to this situation.
 
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admtaylor said:
I think we need to stop pressuring Israel to hold back and let them deal with this situation like we have with the terrorism situation.

*****Adam ducks head from coming onslaught*****
Actually I think that would lead to the Israelis being MORE ethical in their 'antiterrorist' actions ;)
 
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