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    Any patristic sources on 1 Timothy 2:11-12 that address whether the context is the church?

    1 Timothy 2:11-12 has been variously understood. One view I recently heard is that it teaches women to be silent not only in church, as is the case in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, but also in secular matters. After making several contextual arguments for women not to teach with authority, this...
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    SCOTUS rebuffs fetal personhood case

    I keep trying to look it up online, but the info I get is from the Rhode Island case rather than the U.S. Supreme Court (SCOTUS). Do you know which SCOTUS Justices decided to dismiss the case, assuming all 9 had a say?
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    SCOTUS rebuffs fetal personhood case

    I know, right? I wish the actual names of Court Cases would appear in articles by default. Lacking the actual name of the topic in question should be the exception, not the rule.
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    SCOTUS rebuffs fetal personhood case

    Can anyone find the name of this case. I'd be interested in learning more about it.
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    Is the Book of Revelation the only place in Scripture teaching eternal torment?

    That response works against universalism, but not annihilationism. Traditionalists (those believing in eternal conscious torment) and annihilationists agree that hell is punitive, not corrective, and that the punishment lasts forever. They also believe that the punishment will be tormenting as...
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    Is the Book of Revelation the only place in Scripture teaching eternal torment?

    Okay, so you're saying that Paul taught differently than Matthew and John. I didn't understand that that's your position. I would disagree and say Paul is actually discouraging people from eating in an idol's temple in 1 Corinthians 8:10-12. Even though some Christians might have known that...
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    Is the Book of Revelation the only place in Scripture teaching eternal torment?

    I didn't say the undying worms and unquenchable fire "are of no consequence to" those they consume. I'm saying they symbolize complete eradication. Similar language is used elsewhere to symbolize total obliteration, such as Isaiah's prophecy about Edom: "Its streams shall be turned into pitch...
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    Is the Book of Revelation the only place in Scripture teaching eternal torment?

    Sorry for the late reply; I've been traveling. Regarding Matthew 10:41-42, we also need to include the verse before, verse 40. Together, Matthew 10:40-42 teaches that as chaff is burned up/consumed by fire, so will everything offensive and those practicing lawlessness be cast into a fiery...
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    Is the Book of Revelation the only place in Scripture teaching eternal torment?

    Are you saying that one's view of hell shouldn't come from the symbolic book of Revelation? If so, do you believe in eternal conscious torment? I'm not aware of any passages outside of the symbolic Book of Revelation that teaches such. Outside of Revelation, passages appear to teach that "those...
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    Is the Book of Revelation the only place in Scripture teaching eternal torment?

    But it certainly can refer to that, right? For example, doesn't Matthew 13:40-41 teach this in identifying the tares, which are "burned" (katakaio, "to burn up, consume by fire")? Doesn't it identify the tares not only the "things that offend" but also "those who practice lawlessness" (NKJV)...
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    Is the Book of Revelation the only place in Scripture teaching eternal torment?

    This post is going to be shorter, primarily because I don't see how most of what you've written on 1 Corinthians 15 contradicts my position. Although you argue that the lost will be raised in spiritual bodies, does that mean even God Himself is powerlessly unable to kill them, or does it mean...
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    Is the Book of Revelation the only place in Scripture teaching eternal torment?

    I addressed this earlier in this string of replies: Is the Book of Revelation the only place in Scripture teaching eternal torment? I will add that I'm happy you agree God can kill the soul. I would disagree somewhat with the claim that we don't "have" souls, as that language matches the wording...
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    Is the Book of Revelation the only place in Scripture teaching eternal torment?

    Contrasting parallelism causes your position to be the one that dies, my friend, as it's a contrast between two people: 1) those who lack ability to kill the soul and 2) the One who can destroy both body and soul in hell. Which one is God? If you answer 2), then God isn't 1), meaning He doesn't...
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    Is the Book of Revelation the only place in Scripture teaching eternal torment?

    Suppose I were to tell someone, "Don't fear those who can kill your arguments but cannot kill your position; rather, fear the one who can destroy both your arguments and position in CF." If "the one" (underlined) that I was referring to was you, Pilgrim, would I be saying you can kill one's...
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    Is the Book of Revelation the only place in Scripture teaching eternal torment?

    Mark 9 doesn't say the person does not die or that one's consciousness is not quenched, but rather that the worm and fire cannot be stopped. Just because the worm and fire are unstoppable for us doesn't mean the consciousness of the sinner is permanent. For all we know from this passage, maybe...