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ICE Nativity scenes: Churches reimagine Christmas story amid deportations

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'We know that Jesus was born into a Roman imperial occupation, and pretty much immediately becomes a refugee in Egypt, has to flee and faces political violence,' the Rev. Michael Woolf said.

The pastor noted Department of Homeland Security agents have tear-gassed protesters in the area and that locals reported seeing children among those detained with zip ties by federal agents during a recent high-profile immigration raid in a nearby apartment building. DHS has denied the latter claim, although evidence of similar actions has been reported elsewhere.

[in his church's display,] Jesus, who typically is depicted lying in hay, is instead nestled in a reflective blanket often used by immigrants in detention, with his hands bound with zip ties. And behind the family stands three Roman centurions wearing vests with a very modern label: ICE, or U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

Churchgoers at Saint Susanna Parish in Dedham, Massachusetts, recently erected a similar immigration-themed Nativity just outside their building. The display includes traditional depictions of the magi, stable animals and other figures, but the banner above reads “Peace on Earth?” And propped up in the center of the arrangement, where Mary, Joseph and Jesus would normally appear, sits a sign that reads: “ICE was here.”

The same faith-fueled movement is inspiring another immigration-themed Nativity scene on Christmas Eve, this time featuring real-life participants. The Rev. Dave Woessner, an Episcopal priest and congregational coordinator with the Massachusetts Council of Churches, said his team is organizing a Christmas worship service outside of an ICE facility in Burlington that will feature a real-life recreation of Jesus’ birth — including, potentially, a donkey.

Woessner, who works with communities impacted by deportation efforts, said he and others have convened a weekly vigil outside the ICE facility for 33 weeks straight. The faith leaders have also attempted to accompany immigrants who are appearing for ICE check-ins, but have been repeatedly denied.

After Fox and other conservative media outlets picked up the [first] display, Woolf said his church has received an avalanche of calls — many supportive, but others decidedly not.

“There’s been some suggestions that I should kill myself,” Woolf said.

Josoma reported a similar influx of messages.

“You get a lot of support, but as it goes on, most — not all, but most — of the negative ones aren’t really conversational,” he said. “They’re just swearing and yelling.”
 

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'We know that Jesus was born into a Roman imperial occupation, and pretty much immediately becomes a refugee in Egypt, has to flee and faces political violence,' the Rev. Michael Woolf said.

The pastor noted Department of Homeland Security agents have tear-gassed protesters in the area and that locals reported seeing children among those detained with zip ties by federal agents during a recent high-profile immigration raid in a nearby apartment building. DHS has denied the latter claim, although evidence of similar actions has been reported elsewhere.

[in his church's display,] Jesus, who typically is depicted lying in hay, is instead nestled in a reflective blanket often used by immigrants in detention, with his hands bound with zip ties. And behind the family stands three Roman centurions wearing vests with a very modern label: ICE, or U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

Churchgoers at Saint Susanna Parish in Dedham, Massachusetts, recently erected a similar immigration-themed Nativity just outside their building. The display includes traditional depictions of the magi, stable animals and other figures, but the banner above reads “Peace on Earth?” And propped up in the center of the arrangement, where Mary, Joseph and Jesus would normally appear, sits a sign that reads: “ICE was here.”

The same faith-fueled movement is inspiring another immigration-themed Nativity scene on Christmas Eve, this time featuring real-life participants. The Rev. Dave Woessner, an Episcopal priest and congregational coordinator with the Massachusetts Council of Churches, said his team is organizing a Christmas worship service outside of an ICE facility in Burlington that will feature a real-life recreation of Jesus’ birth — including, potentially, a donkey.

Woessner, who works with communities impacted by deportation efforts, said he and others have convened a weekly vigil outside the ICE facility for 33 weeks straight. The faith leaders have also attempted to accompany immigrants who are appearing for ICE check-ins, but have been repeatedly denied.

After Fox and other conservative media outlets picked up the [first] display, Woolf said his church has received an avalanche of calls — many supportive, but others decidedly not.

“There’s been some suggestions that I should kill myself,” Woolf said.

Josoma reported a similar influx of messages.

“You get a lot of support, but as it goes on, most — not all, but most — of the negative ones aren’t really conversational,” he said. “They’re just swearing and yelling.”

It is about knowing the difference between immigrant and refugee. a refugee seeks refuge until the danger he is fleeing from is over,

relieved he returns. Matthew 2:13-14, Matthew 2:19-20.
 
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It is about knowing the difference between immigrant and refugee. a refugee seeks refuge until the danger he is fleeing from is over,

relieved he returns. Matthew 2:13-14, Matthew 2:19-20.
How are things looking in Haiti these days?
 
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I don’t like politicizing my savior. Right or left, I don’t care. It just feels so, so wrong. IMO
 
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I have been there in the early sixties other than that I haxe no idea, should I know?

I am not an astronaut.
You said that there was a distinction between immigrants and refugees. Trump canceled the temporary protected status of Haitians and is sending them back in February. I figured since you made the distinction, you knew something about the places where these folks were being sent back to.
 
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You said that there was a distinction between immigrants and refugees. Trump canceled the temporary protected status of Haitians and is sending them back in February. I figured since you made the distinction, you knew something about the places where these folks were being sent back to.
Is war taking place in Haiti like in Ukraine? Has a major disaster taken place there recently? How are things looking in the Dominican Republic these days?

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The pastor seems a bit confused. According to Matthew, Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea which was controlled by Herod the Great and then fled to the Roman province of Egypt to avoid Herod's murderous intent. While Harod was a client king Judea was not "occupied". Luke has a different story. In his, Joseph take Mary *into* Roman occupied Judea from the client state of Galillee (Nazareth) ruled by Herod's son Harod Antipas. Whether Bethlehem in Judea was occupied by the Romans at the time (depending on the timeline) or not, Egypt was *definitely* under under Roman occupation.
 
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Are you able to use words to articulate your point?
A picture paints a thousand words. Haiti is on the same island as a lager country that doesn't have the same problems. So people in Haiti who don't like living in Haiti can go over to the Dominican Republic next-door. In other words the US is just one of many places Haitians can go to ro seek refuge from the gang activity taking place in Port-au-Prince.
 
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You said that there was a distinction between immigrants and refugees. Trump canceled the temporary protected status of Haitians and is sending them back in February. I figured since you made the distinction, you knew something about the places where these folks were being sent back to.

It is about drawing lines, wishy washyism leads to chaos. As an American you should know, your flag has red lines.

But back to reality, the only thing I know of the place apart from the clear waters is, well, what is there to say............

the leaving was the best, but that I can say of many places.
 
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A picture paints a thousand words. Haiti is on the same island as a lager country that doesn't have the same problems. So people in Haiti who don't like living in Haiti can go over to the Dominican Republic next-door. In other words the US is just one of many places Haitians can go to ro seek refuge from the gang activity taking place in Port-au-Prince.
The DR is one of the places they have gone. But the DR has about the same population as Haiti, so I wouldn’t expect them to be able a sizable influx, especially compared to a country like ours that’s far larger and wealthier.
 
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The pastor noted Department of Homeland Security agents have tear-gassed protesters in the area and that locals reported seeing children among those detained with zip ties by federal agents during a recent high-profile immigration raid in a nearby apartment building. DHS has denied the latter claim, although evidence of similar actions has been reported elsewhere.
America really is the 80s mini series ‘V’.
 
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