Date of authorship of Revelation

[Jipsah]

And if we remain consistent in our applied hermeneutics, we won't artificially bring in a nod to gematria and assume that this is the interpretive key of the book when it might very well not be.

Worth Price Charged opinion here. The Revelator seems to assume that his readers will know to whom "666" refers. IMO that lends credibility to the idea that it's simply an encoded name used to keep the the letter itself from becoming a basis for arrest/perscution/execution.

 

[samaus123456789]

Worth Price Charged opinion here. The Revelator seems to assume that his readers will know to whom "666" refers. IMO that lends credibility to the idea that it's simply an encoded name used to keep the the letter itself from becoming a basis for arrest/perscution/execution.

I made a post about it. It links back to Solomon 3 times via 666, and also wisdom, and understanding which links to the modern country "Israel", and the mark of the beast is the hexagram. It is in heavy code so that it can only be unlocked by someone that studies the bible a lot, studies the life of Solomon deliberately, and specifically, is willing to follow the text of the bible wherever it leads, and is willing to say what the bible says even if it is unpopular amongst other Christians. Also if it said in plain language "the mark of the beast is the hexagram on the future country Israel" the Christian Zionists would mock the bible, and say it has been corrupted that is not what it said originally.

 

[Jipsah]

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But then again i tend to ihinkI made a post about it. It links back to Solomon 3 times via 666, and also wisdom, and understanding which links to the modern country "Israel", and the mark of the beast is the hexagram. It is in heavy code so that it can only be unlocked by someone that studies the bible a lot, studies the life of Solomon deliberately, and specifically, is willing to follow the text of the bible wherever it leads, and is willing to say what the bible says even if it is unpopular amongst other Christians. Also if it said in plain language "the mark of the beast is the hexagram on the future country Israel" the Christian Zionists would mock the bible, and say it has been corrupted that is not what it said originally.

That kinda sounds " too clever by half", but then again I tend to think most explanations of Revelation are.

 

[CLEEB]

The image of the beast. A beast is a nation, it’s ruler and people as is seen in Daniel. This beast nation was, is not and yet is. It was a nation, then disappeared from history only to return again. It is the man of sin who creates an image of this beast nation going as far as reinstating the sacrifices and building a third temple. The false prophet is an Elijah imitator who calls fire down from heaven to burn up the sacrifices in order to deceive people into thinking the man of sin is GOD. This beast nation is populated by people that came up out of the sea of humanity because it’s people were scattered during its previous downfall. The capital city is a harlot city built on seven mountains that are the seven heads with blasphemous names. One of these heads or mountains suffered a deadly wound when it’s temple was destroyed in 70 AD but the building of the third temple heals this wound. This beast is a restoration to the glory days of an ancient nation whose king received his weight in gold yearly of 666 talents. The measure of a man.

 

[samaus123456789]

The beast country is "israel". Mystery Babylon is physical Jerusalem once it is world capital. Revelation 13 mark of the beast is the hexagram.

 

[CLEEB]

Even though true I am not anti-Semitic . There are many scriptures to prove Jerusalem is the harlot city. Revelation 11:8 Too many people today don’t realize that if that day is not Far off they will be worshiping the man of sin. Revelation 12:9 People refuse to believe that Satan has indeed deceived the world. The big revival they say is coming is when they are worshiping the man of sin. Then if you try to warn them you make yourself a target.

 

[samaus123456789]

Even though true I am not anti-Semitic . There are many scriptures to prove Jerusalem is the harlot city. Revelation 11:8 Too many people today don’t realize that if that day is not Far off they will be worshiping the man of sin. Revelation 12:9 People refuse to believe that Satan has indeed deceived the world. The big revival they say is coming is when they are worshiping the man of sin. Then if you try to warn them you make yourself a target.

Yes the Christian zionists. They don't like to hear anything contrary to what they believe. It is hard to talk to them.

 

[Jipsah]

Ah, that's what I love about the Revelation. Everyone who reads it understands it perfectly (just ask 'em!), but no two of them agree. It's like a biblical Rohrschach inkblot.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Worth Price Charged opinion here. The Revelator seems to assume that his readers will know to whom "666" refers. IMO that lends credibility to the idea that it's simply an encoded name used to keep the the letter itself from becoming a basis for arrest/perscution/execution.

I don't think so, but I'm not going to argue about it. I have my hermeneutical reasons, and if other people don't want to engage them, so be it. Notice here, too, that I'm not here to tell other, fellow Christians what to believe "correctly." So, no shirt off my Christian back if they disagree with me, brother Jipsah.

 

[Jan001]

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Yes I believe it was Paul now, and can not be referring to someone else.
Claudius was known to kick people out (Acts 18 2), and exile people (Slavonic Josephus). Nero was known to kill people. One of those churches in Revelation (the rich one) was hit with a big earthquake 60 AD although they recovered by their own finances without need of government aid (Tacitus), and they would of rebuilt quickly by the sound of it. I want to date Revelation as early as possible because chapter 1-12 was about to come on the whole world (of first century Israel- Judea, Samaria, Galilee although mainly Judea), and those first Christians needed time to read the book, and understand ch 1-12 was about them. So I believe it was written 41-49 AD. Nero is too late I feel.

I agree that Revelation, chapters 1-12, was imperative for the first-century Christians to read and understand, as was Matthew 24, chapters 1-35.

The heaven and the earth of the Jews (their temple) literally passed away in 70 AD.

Nero committed suicide on June 9, 68 AD. He killed many Christians. He was an antichrist.

I think the final antichrist, aka the man of sin, will pretend to be the Jewish Messiah and that he will literally kill Enoch and Elijah, who have come back to earth to witness to the Jews that Jesus Christ is their true Messiah.

 

[Jan001]

Even though true I am not anti-Semitic . There are many scriptures to prove Jerusalem is the harlot city. Revelation 11:8 Too many people today don’t realize that if that day is not Far off they will be worshiping the man of sin. Revelation 12:9 People refuse to believe that Satan has indeed deceived the world. The big revival they say is coming is when they are worshiping the man of sin. Then if you try to warn them you make yourself a target.

I agree; the great city, the harlot, is Jerusalem.

Revelation 11:8
and their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which is allegorically called Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord was crucified.

1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking some one to devour.

Luke 13:22-24
He went on his way through towns and villages, teaching, and journeying toward Jerusalem. 23 And some one said to him, “Lord, will those who are saved be few?” And he said to them, 24 “Strive to enter by the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.

Few people will be approved to inherit eternal life. Many people will not.

 

[CLEEB]

I agree; the great city, the harlot, is Jerusalem.

Revelation 11:8
and their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which is allegorically called Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord was crucified.

1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking some one to devour.

Luke 13:22-24
He went on his way through towns and villages, teaching, and journeying toward Jerusalem. 23 And some one said to him, “Lord, will those who are saved be few?” And he said to them, 24 “Strive to enter by the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.

Few people will be approved to inherit eternal life. Many people will not.

Jeremiah 3:3 KJV A harlots forehead, Revelation 17:5 I am thinking that the worlds churches will be led by the man of sin into Judaizing, basically denying Christ. They already see Israel as GODS only chosen people and some go as far as using things out of the law to increase church revenue, tithes and offerings. With this mindset already in place it would not be difficult for the false prophet to deceive them by calling fire down from heaven to burn the sacrifices at the temple.