Love codified in the Ten Commandments

[DamianWarS]

I never said Paul's writing is not Scripture or inspired, but in the inspired Scripture we are warned about people twisting Paul's writings as they do the rest of Scripture to their own destruction. Paul in the inspired writings is still not God or above His words. No one is. So if we are using Paul's writings against God's own promises, I personally would be concerned about the warning.

The New Covenant has been addressed so many times about what God placed in the hearts of His New Covenant believers- His Laws- only God can define them, not us and He did written and spoken by God Exo31:18 that Jesus not to destroy Mat5:17 but to fulfill or magnify Isa 42:21 which means make greater not smaller as most teach as if Jesus failed. He promised not to edit His words Deut4:13 Psa89:34 Mat 5:18-19, I am going to stick with what He said James2:11. . Why its still a sin to break God's Laws 1John3:4 James2:11 because man is not God, nor will they ever be. We can't make something perfect written by the Holy Spirit more perfect Psa19:7 Rom7:12 the issue will always be man, not the Law of God. We can rebel Rom8:7-8 that's always a choice or we can keep them and trust God knows what He is doing Exo20:6 John14:15. Life is about choices and our choices comes with consequences Rom6:16 that one day cannot be changed Rev22:11

No one here is putting Paul “above God.” 2 Peter 3:15–16 simply means that Paul’s writings must be treated as God’s word, and therefore they cannot be dismissed when they describe a real covenant change. Accepting Paul as Scripture is submitting to God’s voice.

The challenge is that you keep assuming “God’s law” = “the Ten Commandments unchanged,” but the New Testament never says that. Hebrews 8 never lists the 10, never mentions the Sabbath, and never says the Sinai code becomes the New Covenant law. It says the old covenant (defined in Deut 4:13 as the Ten Commandments) is obsolete and passing away (Heb 8:13).

That’s not rebellion—that’s Scripture.
Jesus fulfilling the law (Matt 5:17) doesn’t mean preserving the Sinai covenant unchanged. Fulfill in Matthew means bring to completion, not “freeze permanently.” That’s why Hebrews, Paul, and Jesus Himself all speak of a covenant transition—not a cancellation of morality, but a change of covenant administration.

1 John 3:4 and James 2 don’t say “the Ten Commandments are the New Covenant law.” They say sin is lawlessness—not “sin is violating Sinai.” John actually defines God’s New Covenant commandments as faith in Christ + love (1 John 3:23). The NT consistently calls Christians to obey Christ, walk by the Spirit, and fulfill the law through love—not return to a covenant God Himself says is finished.

We can leave it here, but the core point stands: Honoring God’s promises means honoring the covenant change He Himself declares—through Jesus, through Paul, and through Hebrews—not assuming Sinai continues unchanged.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The New Covenant - what changed- I say we let God define that change? Did He say anywhere He would write all new laws that the issue was God's Laws written by the Holy Spirit, the Ten Commandments? Where is that verse? He said His Law is perfect Psa19:7 holy, just and good Rom7:12 Righteousness Psa119:172 Isa56:1-2 Truth Psa119:151 are His commandments the issue or are we the issue and our hardened heart. I am going with the latter.

Was it predicted the Jesus would destroy His Holy commandments and get rid of them? Where does Scripture say this? Jesus said the opposite plainly Mat5:17 and those who use destroy and fulfil as if they are the same are not being honest with His word. Especially when Mat5:19 makes this interpretation clear.

Isa 21 The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

Why do so many people insist Jesus failed at what He was prophesized to do, make His law larger, not smaller.

This is what God said changed.

Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.

The promises changed not God's holy laws if we are to believe Him at His word

The whole New Covenant was established on better promises. Is it a better promise to start worshipping others gods or a better promise to vain His holy name or steal from our neighbor and lie to them? I do not believe this is what God had in mind why He never once said the New Covenant is established on better/new laws, this is man adding taking the liberty to speak for God, instead of believing Him at His own Words.

Instead what He did say....

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

God said He would put HIS LAWS in the hearts and minds of His New Covenant believers. This was stated in Jeremiah verbatim so it would have to be God's Laws that they knew of.


Do we define God's Laws or does God? I am going with God.

What are God's laws- He said this right in the Ten Commandments. The only name I see is God's explaining verbatim and taking possession.

Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
Deut 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

So to remove the "He" in these verses and replace with our words as if we are to tell God, those are not your laws, we know better than you, I do not believe is a good idea, but He does give us free will and it will all be corrected soon enough.

The Ten Commandments is His written and spoken Testimony Exo31:18, the" Ten Words" that Jesus used interchangeable as the Word of God and we see this parallel of God's commandments and the word of God in many NT references.

In regards to James2:11 not being about the Ten Commandments, one is not being honest with the Text and not allowing the Scriptures to define Itself.

1 John3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
James 2:11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law

James is only quoting and contrasting what "He said- God said) in His Ten Commandments- breaking one we break them all and become a transgressor of the law or sinner. What Jesus said quoting from the Ten CommandmentsMat5:19-30 what Paul said Rom7:7. The Ten Commandments came in a unit of Ten Deut4:13 Exo34:28 -God Himself placed them there, He does not change- who are we to change and tinker with the Testimony of God?

We can lean on our own understanding and remove the authority of God and replace it with our own reasoning and feelings but in the end, one will only hurt themselves. Only the Testimony of God- Ten Commandments is under His mercy seat Exo25:21, where He says Himself He shows mercy to those who love Him and keep His commandments Exo20:6 If we cover our sins Pro28:13 which we do when we refuse to allow God to define it, than at the end our sins will not be in His Temple, under His mercy seat where justice and mercy will come together soon. God's mercy seat is His attornment seat and what we learned in the earthy temple about the forgiveness of sins with the blood of animal sacrifices in the law of Moses was only a shadow pointing to God's salvation in His Holy Temple. Heb8:1-5 Rev11:18-19 Rev15:5 There is a standard man will be Judged by He tells us plainly Rev11:18-19 James2:11-12 Exo31:18 John12:48 but if we don't believe what God says, not more one can do but pray one will hopefully do so, because one day soon our decisions will be sealed Rev22:11

 

[DamianWarS]

The New Covenant - what changed- I say we let God define that change? Did He say anywhere He would write all new laws that the issue was God's Laws written by the Holy Spirit, the Ten Commandments? Where is that verse? He said His Law is perfect Psa19:7 holy, just and good Rom7:12 Righteousness Psa119:172 Isa56:1-2 Truth Psa119:151 are His commandments the issue or are we the issue and our hardened heart. I am going with the latter.

Was it predicted the Jesus would destroy His Holy commandments and get rid of them? Where does Scripture say this? Jesus said the opposite plainly Mat5:17 and those who use destroy and fulfil as if they are the same are not being honest with His word. Especially when Mat5:19 makes this interpretation clear.

Isa 21 The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

Why do so many people insist Jesus failed at what He was prophesized to do, make His law larger, not smaller.

This is what God said changed.

Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.

The promises changed not God's holy laws if we are to believe Him at His word

The whole New Covenant was established on better promises. Is it a better promise to start worshipping others gods or a better promise to vain His holy name or steal from our neighbor and lie to them? I do not believe this is what God had in mind why He never once said the New Covenant is established on better/new laws, this is man adding taking the liberty to speak for God, instead of believing Him at His own Words.

Instead what He did say....

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

God said He would put HIS LAWS in the hearts and minds of His New Covenant believers. This was stated in Jeremiah verbatim so it would have to be God's Laws that they knew of.


Do we define God's Laws or does God? I am going with God.

What are God's laws- He said this right in the Ten Commandments. The only name I see is God's explaining verbatim and taking possession.

Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
Deut 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

So to remove the "He" in these verses and replace with our words as if we are to tell God, those are not your laws, we know better than you, I do not believe is a good idea, but He does give us free will and it will all be corrected soon enough.

The Ten Commandments is His written and spoken Testimony Exo31:18, the" Ten Words" that Jesus used interchangeable as the Word of God and we see this parallel of God's commandments and the word of God in many NT references.

In regards to James2:11 not being about the Ten Commandments, one is not being honest with the Text and not allowing the Scriptures to define Itself.

1 John3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
James 2:11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law

James is only quoting and contrasting what "He said- God said) in His Ten Commandments- breaking one we break them all and become a transgressor of the law or sinner. What Jesus said quoting from the Ten CommandmentsMat5:19-30 what Paul said Rom7:7. The Ten Commandments came in a unit of Ten Deut4:13 Exo34:28 -God Himself placed them there, He does not change- who are we to change and tinker with the Testimony of God?

We can lean on our own understanding and remove the authority of God and replace it with our own reasoning and feelings but in the end, one will only hurt themselves. Only the Testimony of God- Ten Commandments is under His mercy seat Exo25:21, where He says Himself He shows mercy to those who love Him and keep His commandments Exo20:6 If we cover our sins Pro28:13 which we do when we refuse to allow God to define it, than at the end our sins will not be in His Temple, under His mercy seat where justice and mercy will come together soon. God's mercy seat is His attornment seat and what we learned in the earthy temple about the forgiveness of sins with the blood of animal sacrifices in the law of Moses was only a shadow pointing to God's salvation in His Holy Temple. Heb8:1-5 Rev11:18-19 Rev15:5 There is a standard man will be Judged by He tells us plainly Rev11:18-19 James2:11-12 Exo31:18 John12:48 but if we don't believe what God says, not more one can do but pray one will hopefully do so, because one day soon our decisions will be sealed Rev22:11

You keep assuming “God’s laws in the New Covenant” must mean “the Ten Commandments exactly as written at Sinai,” but the New Testament never says that. Hebrews 8 doesn’t identify the Sinai code as the law written on the heart, it actually says the old covenant, which Deut 4:13 explicitly identifies as the Ten Commandments, is now obsolete and passing away. If the intent was simply “same covenant, new location,” Hebrews would say so. It doesn’t.

Matthew 5:17–19 doesn’t mean Jesus preserved Sinai unchanged; in Matthew, “fulfill” always means complete a previous revelation, not freeze it in time. That’s why Hebrews, Paul, and Jesus all describe a real covenant transition, not a cancellation of morality, but a change in administration. Paul isn’t contradicting God; he’s explaining what God has done in Christ.

1 John, James, and Paul all affirm that sin is real and moral law matters, but none of them say the Ten Commandments as a covenant document are the New Covenant law. John even defines God’s New Covenant “commandment” as believing in Christ and loving one another (1 John 3:23). James uses two commandments as examples of moral failure; he doesn’t re-establish the Sinai treaty. And 2 Cor 3 directly says the ministry written on stone, whatever moral value it contains, belongs to a covenant that is fading away.

The disagreement isn’t about whether God’s moral will matters. Of course it does. The issue is that the NT places Christians under the law of Christ and the ministry of the Spirit—not under the covenant document that defined Israel’s relationship at Sinai. Covenant change is not God changing, it’s God doing exactly what He promised to do through Christ.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You keep assuming “God’s laws in the New Covenant” must mean “the Ten Commandments exactly as written at Sinai,” but the New Testament never says that. Hebrews 8 doesn’t identify the Sinai code as the law written on the heart, it actually says the old covenant, which Deut 4:13 explicitly identifies as the Ten Commandments, is now obsolete and passing away. If the intent was simply “same covenant, new location,” Hebrews would say so. It doesn’t.

Matthew 5:17–19 doesn’t mean Jesus preserved Sinai unchanged; in Matthew, “fulfill” always means complete a previous revelation, not freeze it in time. That’s why Hebrews, Paul, and Jesus all describe a real covenant transition, not a cancellation of morality, but a change in administration. Paul isn’t contradicting God; he’s explaining what God has done in Christ.

1 John, James, and Paul all affirm that sin is real and moral law matters, but none of them say the Ten Commandments as a covenant document are the New Covenant law. John even defines God’s New Covenant “commandment” as believing in Christ and loving one another (1 John 3:23). James uses two commandments as examples of moral failure; he doesn’t re-establish the Sinai treaty. And 2 Cor 3 directly says the ministry written on stone, whatever moral value it contains, belongs to a covenant that is fading away.

The disagreement isn’t about whether God’s moral will matters. Of course it does. The issue is that the NT places Christians under the law of Christ and the ministry of the Spirit—not under the covenant document that defined Israel’s relationship at Sinai. Covenant change is not God changing, it’s God doing exactly what He promised to do through Christ.

You're assuming God's laws Heb8:10 are not the Ten Commandments when God claimed they are. Deut4:13 Exo20:6 and assuming the New Covenant was established on new laws when God never said this Heb8:6,10 - He said the opposite Deut4:13 Psa89:34 Isa42:21 to hold fast His covenant Isa56:6 and assuming the testimony of man is greater than the Testimony of God Exo31:18 when all the prophets and apostles did is testify of God John5:39 is there a greater testimony of God than of God Himself written and spoken directly by God Exo31:18. Not for those who want to love and serve Him Exo20:6 Isa56:6 Rev14:12 Rev22:14. The law of God was never the issue, the harden heart of man has always been the issue and if we do not hear His voice calling us out of rebellion to Him which sin, unbelief and disobedience all used interchangeably Heb3:7-19, we may end up in the direction we are heading Rom6:16 Rev22:11 Mat7:23

 

[DamianWarS]

You're assuming God's laws Heb8:10 are not the Ten Commandments when God claimed they are. Deut4:13 Exo20:6 and assuming the New Covenant was established on new laws when God never said this Heb8:6,10 - He said the opposite Deut4:13 Psa89:34 Isa42:21 to hold fast His covenant Isa56:6 and assuming the testimony of man is greater than the Testimony of God Exo31:18 when all the prophets and apostles did is testify of God John5:39 is there a greater testimony of God than of God Himself written and spoken directly by God Exo31:18. Not for those who want to love and serve Him Exo20:6 Isa56:6 Rev14:12 Rev22:14. The law of God was never the issue, the harden heart of man has always been the issue and if we do not hear His voice calling us out of rebellion to Him which sin, unbelief and disobedience all used interchangeably Heb3:7-19, we may end up in the direction we are heading Rom6:16 Rev22:11 Mat7:23

I’m not assuming God’s laws in Hebrews 8:10 aren’t the Ten Commandments, Hebrews itself makes that distinction. When Hebrews says the “old covenant” is obsolete (8:13), and Deut 4:13 explicitly defines that covenant as the Ten Commandments on stone, the text is not talking about “new laws vs. old laws,” but about a new covenant vs. an old covenant. The shift isn’t about morality disappearing; it’s about the covenant document of Sinai no longer being the governing relationship.

Nothing in Hebrews 8 says God is rewriting the Sinai code into the human heart. It never mentions the Sabbath, never quotes the Decalogue, and never says the tablets-of-stone covenant becomes the New Covenant law. You’re inserting that connection because your theology requires it, not because the text states it.

Likewise, Deut 4:13 and Exod 20:6 simply identify what the old covenant was, they don’t say that covenant continues unchanged under Christ. The NT consistently affirms moral transformation but equally consistently teaches a covenant change: the ministry written on stone is the one Paul says is “passing away” (2 Cor 3:7–11). That is Scripture interpreting Scripture, not elevating human opinion over God’s testimony.

None of this denies God’s holiness or moral will. The issue in Scripture has never been whether God’s character is perfect, it’s which covenant believers are under. The NT places Christians under the law of Christ and the ministry of the Spirit, not under the old covenant code that defined Israel’s relationship at Sinai.

I’m content to leave the discussion here, but the point remains: the NT itself, not human reasoning, draws the line between the Sinai covenant and the New Covenant.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I’m not assuming God’s laws in Hebrews 8:10 aren’t the Ten Commandments, Hebrews itself makes that distinction. When Hebrews says the “old covenant” is obsolete (8:13), and Deut 4:13 explicitly defines that covenant as the Ten Commandments on stone, the text is not talking about “new laws vs. old laws,” but about a new covenant vs. an old covenant. The shift isn’t about morality disappearing; it’s about the covenant document of Sinai no longer being the governing relationship.

Nothing in Hebrews 8 says God is rewriting the Sinai code into the human heart. It never mentions the Sabbath, never quotes the Decalogue, and never says the tablets-of-stone covenant becomes the New Covenant law. You’re inserting that connection because your theology requires it, not because the text states it.

Likewise, Deut 4:13 and Exod 20:6 simply identify what the old covenant was, they don’t say that covenant continues unchanged under Christ. The NT consistently affirms moral transformation but equally consistently teaches a covenant change: the ministry written on stone is the one Paul says is “passing away” (2 Cor 3:7–11). That is Scripture interpreting Scripture, not elevating human opinion over God’s testimony.

None of this denies God’s holiness or moral will. The issue in Scripture has never been whether God’s character is perfect, it’s which covenant believers are under. The NT places Christians under the law of Christ and the ministry of the Spirit, not under the old covenant code that defined Israel’s relationship at Sinai.

I’m content to leave the discussion here, but the point remains: the NT itself, not human reasoning, draws the line between the Sinai covenant and the New Covenant.

Paul cannot make God's commandments that He promised not to alter "pass away" why he doesn't say this, your words may say this, not Paul's. The old covenant ended and God replaced with a New Covenant established on better promises Heb8:6, not "new laws" as you keep indicating when the Scriptures do not.


The ministration changed from Moses to Jesus Heb8:6 2Cor3:7-11, the Ten Commandments went from tablets of stone (only the Ten) to tablets of the hearts 2Cor3:3 the law magnified Isa42:21 God always keeping His promises.

You keep confusing God's Laws as only being tied to Mt Sinai when God Himself said they don't Exo20;11 if there is sin in the world that means God's laws is in existence Rom4:15 and we do not define God's laws, He does and He did plainly personally written and spoken by Him Exo31:18 Deut4:13 Exo32:16. Scripture says whoever we obey is who we serve, so if we are not obeying the law of God who are we serving. The agreement changed, based on the promises Heb8:6, not the Words thus saith the Lord Deut4:13 Exo34:28 Psa89:34. If it were me, I would be more focused on how to obtain these better promises of what God will do, if we love and cooperate with Him John14:15-18 instead of not subjecting ourselves to the law of God Rom8:7-8 making the word of God of no effect Mark7:7-13 Mat15:3-14

 

[DamianWarS]

Paul cannot make God's covenant that He promised not to alter "pass away" why he doesn't say this, your words may say this, not Paul's. The old covenant ended and God replaced with a New Covenant established on better promises, not "new laws" as you keep indicating when the Scriptures do not.


The ministration changed from Moses to God, the Ten Commandments went from tablets of stone (only the Ten) to tablets of the hearts 2Cor3:3 God always keeping His promises.

You keep confusing God's Laws as only being tied to Mt Sinai when God Himself said they don't Exo20;11. The agreement changed, based on the promises, not the Words thus saith the Lord Deut4:13 Exo34:28 Psa89:34

I’m not saying Paul “makes” God’s covenant pass away, Paul is describing what God Himself has done in Christ. And 2 Corinthians 3 does not say “the ministration only passed away.” Paul explicitly identifies the thing written on stone as the ministry that is “passing away” (vv. 7–11). That’s not my wording—that’s Paul’s.

2 Cor 3:3 also doesn’t say “the Ten Commandments went from stone to heart.” It simply says believers are written by the Spirit, “not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.” The text never identifies which laws are written, never mentions the Ten Commandments, and never says the Sinai covenant code is being transferred intact.

Your conclusion (“the Ten Commandments were moved from stone to heart”) is an assumption you’re reading into the verse, not something the verse says.

The issue isn’t Paul changing God’s promise, Paul is explaining the covenant change God already announced (Heb 8:6–13). God fulfilled His promise, but the New Covenant is not the Sinai covenant written in a new place. That’s simply not how Hebrews or 2 Corinthians describe it.

Paul says the stone-written ministry is what is passing away, and he never says the Decalogue is being transferred verbatim into the heart.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

2 Cor 3:3 also doesn’t say “the Ten Commandments went from stone to heart.” It simply says believers are written by the Spirit, “not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.”

2 Co3 3:3 clearly you are an epistle of Christ, ministered by us, written not with ink but by the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of flesh, that is, of the heart. What the new covenant is all about (God's laws now written in the heart)

What law is only being talked about, tablets of stone. No other law was written on stone except for the Ten Commandments

Exo 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.


Deut4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

And where did these laws go - Paul tells us as did God, in tablets of the heart. The only law being quoted is the Ten Commandments they went from tablets of stone to tablets of the heart Heb8:10 God keeping His promises Deut4:13Psa89:34 Isa42:21

This is as plain as day. But if we are not subjecting ourselves to the law of God Rom8:7-8 I would spend more time in prayer asking God to replace our will for His Psa40:8, I do this daily. Only God can define His laws, not man, because man is not God, nor will they ever be.

 

[DamianWarS]

2 Co3 3:3 clearly you are an epistle of Christ, ministered by us, written not with ink but by the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of flesh, that is, of the heart. What the new covenant is all about (God's laws now written in the heart)

What law is only being talked about, tablets of stone. No other law was written on stone except for the Ten Commandments

Exo 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.


Deut4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

And where did these laws go - Paul tells us as did God, in tablets of the heart. The only law being quoted is the Ten Commandments they went from tablets of stone to tablets of the heart Heb8:10 God keeping His promises Deut4:13Psa89:34 Isa42:21

This is as plain as day. But if we are not subjecting ourselves to the law of God Rom8:7-8 I would spend more time in prayer asking God to replace our will for His Psa40:8, I do this daily. Only God can define His laws, not man, because man is not God, nor will they ever be.

2 Corinthians 3:3 never says which law is written on the heart, only that it is not the law on stone. You are inserting “therefore it must be the Ten Commandments” because tablets of stone are mentioned, but Paul’s point is not continuity of content; it’s contrast of covenants. That contrast becomes explicit in verses 7–11 where Paul says the ministry written and engraved on stone is the ministry that is fading away. If the stone-written code has moved into the heart, Paul could not also say it is passing away.

Yes, the Ten Commandments were the only law written on stone. But Paul’s argument is not: “the same law moved locations.” His argument is:

-the stone-written ministry (old covenant) = fading, condemning

-the Spirit-written ministry (new covenant) = life-giving

He never says the content of the old covenant becomes the content of the new. Hebrews 8 makes this even clearer: the old covenant (defined in Deut 4:13 as the Ten Commandments) is obsolete, and the new covenant is established on better promises, not the same covenant in a new location.

So the logic you’re using, “stone to heart = same law transferred”, is not actually stated anywhere in 2 Corinthians 3 or Hebrews 8. It’s a theological assumption you’re bringing to the text. Paul’s actual point is about covenant transformation, not relocation of the Sinai treaty.

No one is rejecting God’s authority. We are simply taking Paul and Hebrews at their own words: the covenant engraved on stone is the one that has ended, and the Spirit writes the law of Christ—not the Sinai tablets—on the hearts of New Covenant believers.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

2 Corinthians 3:3 never says which law is written on the heart, only that it is not the law on stone.

Its the only law being spoken of period. Its exactly what God said -HIS laws written in the heart, who defines God's laws us or God- the only correct answer is God. His laws from written on stone now written in the heart. Heb8:10 2Cor3:3 To claim the Ten Commandments is not the law of God when God said they were Exo20:6 Deut4:13 will need to take this argument up with God, as this is His Testimony Exo31:18 and no one is above God. Sad this is even an argument as if God made a mistake that has to be corrected by man.

The wages of sin is death Rom6:23 (ministry of death- the law again being spoken of is the Ten Commandments as it defines what sin is when breaking 1John3:4 James2:11 Rom7:7) but if we are under the ministry of the Spirit there is no condemnation Rom8:1 because the righteousness of God's law is fulfilled in us meaning its being kept by our love and cooperation with the Spirit John14:15-18 Rom8:4 s contrasts with those walking in the Spirit keeping the law Rom8:4 and to those who are not, breaking the law of God and sinning Rom7:7 and not subjecting themselves to God's laws Rom8:7-8


I am the Lord thy God, I do not change Mal 3:6 something as personal as the Testimony of God that He literally spelled out how to love Him how to love our neighbor that He Himself said He would not alter as it is settled in heaven Psa119:89. If we can't trust what God says, my words mean nothing.

Psa 89:31 If they [f]break My statutes
And do not keep My commandments,
32 Then I will punish their transgression with the rod,
And their iniquity with stripes.
33 Nevertheless My lovingkindness I will not [g]utterly take from him,
Nor [h]allow My faithfulness to fail.
34 My covenant I will not break,
Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips.

Deut 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

Exo20:6 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

Isa 56:6
“Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant—


There is nothing wrong with the law of God, what's wrong is man and our hardened heart. The law of God tells us how to love Him and love our neighbor magnified Isa 42:21 in our hearts Heb8:10 just as Jesus demonstrated with two of the commandments directly from the Ten that always came in a unit of Ten according to God Deut4:13 Exo34:28 written on Stone by God because man cannot chisel away the laws they don't like, they stand forever. Why they went from tablets of stone to tablets of the heart unedited for those who are in a covenant relationship with God. He is calling on everyone else, if we hear Him Heb3:7-19

If we don't accept what God wrote in our hearts His laws, sadly, we are following the same path of disobedience of those who came before us. Heb4:11 I think the words of God speak for themselves, I am going to leave it as agree to disagree, but I would consider what Jesus said about our teachings Mat5:19

 

[DamianWarS]

Its the only law being spoken of period. Its exactly what God said -HIS laws written in the heart, who defines God's laws us or God- the only correct answer is God. His laws from written on stone now written in the heart. Heb8:10 To claim the Ten Commandments is not the law of God when God said they were Exo20:6 Deut4:13 will need to take this argument up with God as this is His Testimony Exo31:18 and no one is above. Sad this is even an argument as if God made a mistake that has to be corrected by man.

The wages of sin is death Rom6:23 (ministry of death- the law again being spoken of is the Ten Commandments as it defines what sin is when breaking) but if we are under the Spirit there is no condemnation Rom8:1 because the righteousness of God's law is fulfilled in us meaning its being kept Rom8:4

Sadly those who refuse to subject themselves to the law of God is missing this promise Rom8:7-7

You keep saying “it’s the only law being spoken of,” but that’s simply not what 2 Cor 3 or Heb 8 actually say. The only connection you are making is: “tablets of stone are mentioned, therefore the Ten Commandments are what get written on the heart.”

But Paul immediately contrasts the stone-written ministry with the Spirit-written ministry and says the stone-written ministry is the one passing away (2 Cor 3:7–11). If the content had simply moved to the heart, Paul could not describe it as fading. The contrast only makes sense if Paul is talking about two different covenants, not the same law in a new location.

Hebrews 8:10 also does not identify the New Covenant laws as the Sinai code, it never quotes the Ten Commandments, never mentions the Sabbath, and never says the old covenant text becomes the new covenant content. Instead Hebrews 8:13 explicitly says the old covenant (defined in Deut 4:13 as the Ten Commandments) is obsolete. Obsolete ≠ relocated.

Romans 8 doesn’t help your point either. “The righteous requirement of the law” being fulfilled in us (Rom 8:4) is the same thing Paul says in Gal 5:14—that love fulfills the law—not that Christians are placed back under the Sinai covenant. Paul says the Spirit, not the stone tablets, is what shapes believers. “The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death” (Rom 8:2). That phrase alone shows Paul isn’t re-installing Sinai.

Your conclusion (“God’s laws = Ten Commandments = New Covenant content”) is an interpretation, not something the NT actually states. The NT affirms God’s righteousness, but it does not equate the new covenant with the Sinai covenant document. Moral truth continues; the Sinai covenant does not.

The text itself, not assumptions, shows Paul is contrasting covenants, not relocating the Ten Commandments from stone to heart.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You keep saying “it’s the only law being spoken of,” but that’s simply not what 2 Cor 3 or Heb 8 actually say. The only connection you are making is: “tablets of stone are mentioned, therefore the Ten Commandments are what get written on the heart.”

Yes and it tells you where they went verbatim, the heart, the only law being talked about. It doesn't say I will put all new laws in your heart and alter My words I promised not to.

But Paul immediately contrasts the stone-written ministry with the Spirit-written ministry and says the stone-written ministry is the one passing away (2 Cor 3:7–11). If the content had simply moved to the heart, Paul could not describe it as fading. The contrast only makes sense if Paul is talking about two different covenants, not the same law in a new location.

Yes the ministry changed not the law as stated now a few times and as shown by the Scriptures.

Hebrews 8:10 also does not identify the New Covenant laws as the Sinai code, it never quotes the Ten Commandments,

It says God's laws- do you get to redefine the law of God? That's sure taking a lot of liberties to do so and says a lot about our own words over the word of God. No wonder why Jesus said quoting from the Ten Commandments when we lay them aside as if to say they are not for me, we make the word of God of no effect. Mat15:3-14 Mark7:7-13. Jesus doesn't have to quote every commandment to know the law He is referring to, that's where people go wrong, they won't allow God to define His own laws and disregard the Testimony of God Exo31:18 and what it entailed Deut4:13 as if it is lower than what man says.

never mentions the Sabbath, and never says the old covenant text becomes the new covenant content. Instead Hebrews 8:13 explicitly says the old covenant (defined in Deut 4:13 as the Ten Commandments) is obsolete. Obsolete ≠ relocated.

Because He made a new one covenant established on better promises as I keep showing you from the word of God Heb8:6 never said He made a new covenant established on better laws as you seem to keep adding. He instead said He placed His laws the hearts and minds of His New Covenant believers. I am going to allow God to define His laws and not depend on what I feel it is. That's what gets most people in trouble. Jer17:9 instead of just allowing God to be God.

Romans 8 doesn’t help your point either. “The righteous requirement of the law” being fulfilled in us (Rom 8:4) is the same thing Paul says in Gal 5:14—that love fulfills the law—

And what law?

Rom 13: 9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” [a]“You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

The summary doesn't delete the details. Just like Jesus quoted from the greatest commandment Deut6:5 which was stated right after the Ten Commandments was repeated before entering their promised land just as it will be for us Rev22:14

Sadly many never entered due to the same rebellion and disobedience Eze20:15-16 we are told not to follow Heb4:11

not that Christians are placed back under the Sinai covenant. Paul says the Spirit, not the stone tablets, is what shapes believers. “The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death” (Rom 8:2). That phrase alone shows Paul isn’t re-installing Sinai.

Your conclusion (“God’s laws = Ten Commandments = New Covenant content”) is an interpretation, not something the NT actually states. The NT affirms God’s righteousness, but it does not equate the new covenant with the Sinai covenant document. Moral truth continues; the Sinai covenant does not.

The text itself, not assumptions, shows Paul is contrasting covenants, not relocating the Ten Commandments from stone to heart.

I feel bad that so many people believe the way you do and do not have the law of God on their heart and thinking we can dissect the law of God and decide which ones apply and which ones don't. To keep making the claim they belong to Sinai and Moses when God said they belong to Him Exo20:6 Deut4:13 and not connected to Sinai Exo20:11 because God never started becoming God at Mt Sinai, why they were shown being kept way before so. They are God's laws they belong to Him Deut4:13 Exo20:6.

To make the claim we can worship other gods in the NC is not Biblical. If one of the Ten Commandments applies they all do, because they came in a unit, a document written on stone for its eternal nature, signed with the seal of God Exo20:11 that only He can remove. He promised He would not alter. When we take it upon ourselves to pick and choose which ones applies and which ones do not it is essentially setting people up to be their own god because Scripture says whoever we obey is who we serve Rom6:16. If we are not obeying God, sadly, we are obeying someone else in His place. Why God's commandments are all intertwined breaking one we break them all. God related breaking the Sabbath as going after idols Eze20:16, because its replacing God's Word, with someone else's.

Guess God will sort this out soon enough.

 

[DamianWarS]

I feel bad that so many people believe the way you do and do not have the law of God on their heart and thinking we can dissect the law of God and decide which ones apply and which ones don't. To keep making the claim they belong to Sinai and Moses when God said they belong to Him Exo20:6 Deut4:13 and not connected to Sinai Exo20:11

To make the claim we can worship other gods in the NC is not Biblical. If one of the Ten Commandments apply they all do, because they came in a unit a document written on stone for its eternal nature, signed with the seal of God Exo20:11 that only He can remove. He promised He would not alter. When we take it upon ourselves to pick and choose which ones applies and which ones do not it is essentially setting people up to be their own god because Scripture says whoever we obey is who we serve Rom6:16.

Guess God will sort this out soon enough.

I don’t believe anyone can “pick and choose” what morality applies. The question isn’t whether murder, adultery, idolatry, and lying are wrong—they obviously are. The real issue is covenant, not morality.

The NT never says Christians are free to worship other gods or violate God’s moral will. What it does say is that the Sinai covenant document—the Ten Commandments as a covenant unit—belonged to the old covenant relationship with Israel (Deut 4:13) and that covenant is now obsolete (Heb 8:13). Moral truth doesn’t disappear just because a covenant ends.

Saying “the 10 belonged to God” doesn’t change that Scripture itself defines them as the Sinai covenant. Deut 4:13 is explicit on this. Exod 20:11 doesn’t detach them from Sinai; it gives the reason for the Sabbath command, not its covenant location. The NT writers never undo Deuteronomy’s definition, and Hebrews builds directly on Deuteronomy when it describes that covenant as passing away.

The NT ethic is not “do whatever you want”—it is obedience to Christ (John 15:10), walking by the Spirit (Gal 5:16–25), fulfilling the law through love (Rom 13:8–10), and following the law of Christ (Gal 6:2). That is not setting ourselves up as our own gods; it is submitting to the covenant God Himself established.

Nobody is claiming we can worship other gods or discard God’s righteousness. The NT affirms God’s moral character, but it does not place Christians back under the covenant document written on stone. That isn’t “deciding for ourselves”—it is simply accepting what Hebrews and Paul say about the covenant God replaced in Christ.

I’m content to leave it here. God will indeed sort everything out—but the New Testament itself makes a distinction between God’s eternal moral character and the Sinai covenant, and I’m simply taking that distinction seriously.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I’m content to leave it here. God will indeed sort everything out—but the New Testament itself makes a distinction between God’s eternal moral character and the Sinai covenant, and I’m simply taking that distinction seriously.

The Ten Commandments is not married to Sinai they belong to God Duet 4:13 Exo20:6 and God said in His Testimony they did not start at Mt Sinai Exo31:18 Exo20:11 why they were being kept before Mt Sinai, once one learns to accept this Biblical Truth written and spoken by the God of the Universe, than the rest of the Bible will start reconciling. We reconcile the Bible to God, not to what man feels is moral or not because we are not God.

Everything God's asks us to obey is moral because its connected to salvation. Heb5:9 Mat19:17-19 Mat5:19-20 Rev22:14-15 Rev11:18-19 James2:11-12 while we are not saved by keeping God's commandments, its a consequence of being saved and being changed by God Rev14:12 which reconciles Rev22:14 those who refuse to let go and forsake their sins sadly according to Scripture this is what we have to look forward to Heb10:26-30 Mat7:23Rev22:15

No one is entering into God's Kingdom being in rebellion to God's commandments. Rev22:14 Sin separated man from God Isa59:2, it’s not how we are reconciled. He will help us with our unbelief if we ask Him to, but He does not lower the standards of His righteousness (right and wrong doing) Psa 119:172 Isa56:1-2 to us, He will help lift us to His standard which is everlasting Psa119:142 if we love Him and are willing John14:15-18 but sadly many don't want to, they are happy in their sins and do not want to come to the light- John 3:19-21 God's Truth, which ALL His commandments are Truth Psa 119:151 because it was written by the Holy Spirit of Truth Exo31:18 and God makes no mistakes Psa19:7 man does. If we don't believe God's own written and spoken Testimony, I honestly do not see the point of our Bibles, we should just throw them out and re-write our own. That's what Jesus said when we lay aside the commandment of God we make the word of God of no effect. Mat15:3-14 Mark7:7-13

 

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The Ten Commandments is not married to Sinai they belong to God Duet 4:13 Exo20:6 and God said in His Testimony they did not start at Mt Sinai Exo31:18 Exo20:11 why they were being kept before Mt Sinai, once one learns to accept this Biblical Truth written and spoken by the God of the Universe, than the rest of the Bible will start reconciling. We reconcile the Bible to God, not to what man feels is moral or not because we are not God.

Everything God's asks us to obey is moral because its connected to salvation. Heb5:9 Mat19:17-19 Mat5:19-20 Rev22:14-15 Rev11:18-19 James2:11-12.

No one is entering into God's Kingdom being in rebellion to God's commandments. Sin separated man from God, its not how we are reconciled. He will help us with our unbelief if we ask Him to, but He does not lower the standards of His righteousness (right and wrong doing) Psa 119:172 Isa56:1-2 to us, He will help lift us to His standard which is everlasting Psa119:142 if we love Him and are willing John14:15-18 but sadly many don't want to, they are happy in their sins and do not want to come to the light- John 3:19-21 God's Truth, which ALL His commandments are Truth Psa 119:151 because it was written by the Holy Spirit of Truth Exo31:18 and God makes no mistakes, man does. If we don't believe God's own written and spoken Testimony, I honestly do not see the point of our Bibles, we should just throw them out and re-write our own. That's what Jesus said when we lay aside the commandment of God we make the word of God of no effect. Mat15:3-14 Mark7:7-13

The Decalogue belonged to God, but he gave them, along with all of His other commandments, to His chosen people Israel, on Mount Sinai. He did not give them to the Gentiles as part and parcel of His covenant.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The Decalogue belonged to God, but he gave them, along with all of His other commandments, to His chosen people Israel, on Mount Sinai. He did not give them to the Gentiles as part and parcel of His covenant.

I believe these are your words, not God's. I am only interested in what God said as if only Jews can worship God and Gentiles can worship other gods, or only Jews should honor their parent and Gentiles can disrespect them, or only Jews should not lie to one another but Gentiles are free too. There are only two groups- saved and lost and all of God's people (His saints) keep the commandments of God Rev14:12 why Jesus said "whoever" Mat5:19 which means everyone.

 

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I believe these are your words, not God's. I am only interested in what God said as if only Jews can worship God and Gentiles can worship other gods, or only Jews should honor their parent and Gentiles can disrespect them, or only Jews should not lie to one another but Gentiles are free too. There are only two groups- saved and lost and all of God's people (His saints) keep the commandments of God Rev14:12 why Jesus said "whoever" Mat5:19 which means everyone.

I happen to believe that these words are your and not God's.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I happen to believe that these words are your and not God's.

God's Word. Exo20:6 John14:15 Mat5:19-30 Mat15:3-14 Mark7:7-13 Mat19:17-19 Mark2:27 Isa56:2,6 Rev14:12 Rev22:14-15 etc etc

 

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God's Word. Exo20:6 John14:15 Mat5:19-30 Mat15:3-14 Mark7:7-13 Mat19:17-19 Mark2:27 Isa56:2,6 Rev14:12 Rev22:14-15 etc etc

Out of context and viewed through Mrs. White's interpretations, which were her words, not God's. I ought to clarify my previous post to include that not only do I believe that your post was your own words, but I credit the interpretation not to you but to Mrs. White.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Out of context and viewed through Mrs. White's interpretations, which were her words, not God's. I ought to clarify my previous post to include that not only do I believe that your post was your own words, but I credit the interpretation not to you but to Mrs. White.

That's what people do when they don't have a biblical argument. Only Scripture was quoted, nothing else.

If you feel we don't have to keep the Ten Commandments, God's Laws and "whoever" means Jews only, and we don't have to only worship the God of Creation Exo20:11 Rev 14:7 or keep His commandments and can make the word of God of no effect Mat 7:7-13 Mat15:3-14, guess we shall find out soon enough. This is the group I want to be in Rev 14:12 Rev22:14, not this one Rev22:15 1 John2:4 Mat7:23 Heb10:26-30. Guess it will get sorted out in God's time. When He comes our decisions will be sealed Rev22:11