Dear Pete Hegseth, I’m Grateful the Japanese Navy Spared My Grandfather’s Life

[Oompa Loompa]

Lol

Nanjing Massacre - Wikipedia

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An insult because they don't rape enough people I assume.

Those are rookie numbers compared to the rape and deaths caused by these cartels every year.

 

[durangodawood]

Yeah, that was more an allied thing.

In a sense, not much has changed, hmm?

I would not have assumed killing the shipwrecked was allied habit or policy either.

 

[Nithavela]

Those are rookie numbers compared to the rape and deaths caused by these cartels every year.

I seriously doubt that even if you include drug deaths caused by people willingly getting into a drug habit and buying the drugs, you get to more than 200.000 deaths caused by "these cartels" every year.

 

[7thKeeper]

Cartel drug smugglers are not uniformed combatants deserving of special rights and privileges. Especially after they rape the illegal immigrants the left loves so much before making them sex slaves to pay off their debts. Comparing these monsters to Japanese pilots is an insult to Imperial Japan. Pirates can be shot on sight, so why not drug smugglers?

And they aren't given any. There's no "special rights" in the UCMJ, just rights and rules regarding this sort of situations.
The people killed haven't been shown to be traffickers, no evidence has been given, just claims that they are and "Trust me, bro". And you aren't going to give any either, you will just ignore this or post a link to an article that gives no evidence either, just a statement that they are. Which isn't evidence.
And the British saved the survivors of Bismarck from the sea as well as they could.

And for that last statement, any evidence that this is so? And I mean purely on sight, like while they are walking down the street and not actively engaging pirating with force being used. Because you're describing very different situations and trying to equite them. Are you going to be walking around the streets of US and gunning down drug dealers/smugglers while doing so? Apparently you seem to think you can. And now let's watch you ignore the rest of the post in any possible replies and just concentrate on this for moral outrage.

 

[7thKeeper]

I seriously doubt that even if you include drug deaths caused by people willingly getting into a drug habit and buying the drugs, you get to more than 200.000 deaths caused by "these cartels" every year.

And besides, they don't actually care about the drug deaths. Everyone was suddenly very quiet when Trump pardoned a man responsible for bringing in a ton of drugs into the US. Because it's not actually about the drugs.

 

[Servus]

Wow. Instead of examining the morality of the topic at hand, you have finger wagged at an anonymous "they", accusing "them" of a character deficiency, This is just pot stirring that adds zero to our understanding of the event we're here to discuss.

I have examined it in the other threads about it, here and various other venues. And my evaluation is that for the most part it very much appears to be feigned moral outrage. To exploit the situation for political purposes. I see no reason to treat it otherwise. And of course failing to go along with the narrative, gets one vilified by certain people who villify anyone who doesn't follow the narrative they follow. Sometimes it's "you're a racist". Other times it's "you're a ______ phobe". This time it's "you're immoral".

I use anonymous terms like "certain people" and similar because when I'm more specific, they report me.

 

[Servus]

Those are rookie numbers compared to the rape and deaths caused by these cartels every year.

Those don't matter. Only something that can be used to get Trump matters.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Poor poor narco terrorists drug smugglers. If only they had the same level of outrage for the kids they kill every year with their cargo.

In case you were not aware, the mass migration of Venezuelans to the US is fundamentally driven by a dire humanitarian crisis where our brothers and sisters in Christ are increasingly subjected to extreme compulsion and duress by powerful criminal organizations like the Tren de Aragua and drug cartels. These groups exploit the economic collapse to force vulnerable individuals, including those operating drug-running vessels, into criminal acts under the credible, imminent threat of death or the murder of their family members. This is a terrifying reality of forced criminality and violence, which fundamentally underscores why Christian families are fleeing Venezuela in search of safety, only to face the possibility of being killed by interdiction forces despite their duress. We who live conformable in the US and especially Christians should understand this fact, over 90% of Venezuela is Christian. And those drug runners are most likely Christians who are forced into labor to save their families.
Let us reason, please.

 

[Larniavc]

We as the United States of America can do better.

To paraphrase Cpt. Ballard: “Gosh darn it America; you ain’t never gonna change. “

 

[7thKeeper]

To paraphrase Cpt. Ballard: “Gosh darn it America; you ain’t never gonna change. “

Count on the Americans to do the right thing. After exhausting every other option. That's sort of how the saying went.

 

[BCP1928]

It adresses all of the feigned moral outrage taking place.

No, just actual incredulity at what Christians think is moral.

 

[durangodawood]

I have examined it in the other threads about it, here and various other venues. And my evaluation is that for the most part it very much appears to be feigned moral outrage. To exploit the situation for political purposes. I see no reason to treat it otherwise. And of course failing to go along with the narrative, gets one vilified by certain people who villify anyone who doesn't follow the narrative they follow. Sometimes it's "you're a racist". Other times it's "you're a ______ phobe". This time it's "you're immoral".

I use anonymous terms like "certain people" and similar because when I'm more specific, they report me.

Well Im not 100% opposed to "going meta" in a thread. I do it myself sometimes, especially with my constant refrain of how the purpose of so much contemporary religion is to serve politics - which I see in action right here. Politics first, religion bends itself to suit the needs of politics.

But Ive also made a full attempt to examine the actual topic. After seeing all sides presented in the threads here it still seems genuinely immoral, and definitely illegal.

 

[Say it aint so]

Poor poor narco terrorists drug smugglers. If only they had the same level of outrage for the kids they kill every year with their cargo.

Didn't your president just pardoned someone responsible for the very killings you speak of?

 

[Servus]

Well Im not 100% opposed to "going meta" in a thread. I do it myself sometimes, especially with my constant refrain of how the purpose of so much contemporary religion is to serve politics - which I see in action right here. Politics first, religion bends itself to suit the needs of politics.

But Ive also made a full attempt to examine the actual topic. After seeing all sides presented in the threads here it still seems genuinely immoral, and definitely illegal.

But if it didn't involve Hegseth and Trump in any way would there be so much talk about it? So many threads about it here and posts and articles about it all over the place? Is it all about those two alleged smugglers or is it more about Hegseth and Trump and hoping this will take one or both out of office?

 

[Oompa Loompa]

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And they aren't given any. There's no "special rights" in the UCMJ, just rights and rules regarding this sort of situations.
The people killed haven't been shown to be traffickers, no evidence has been given, just claims that they are and "Trust me, bro". And you aren't going to give any either, you will just ignore this or post a link to an article that gives no evidence either, just a statement that they are. Which isn't evidence.
And the British saved the survivors of Bismarck from the sea as well as they could.

And for that last statement, any evidence that this is so? And I mean purely on sight, like while they are walking down the street and not actively engaging pirating with force being used. Because you're describing very different situations and trying to equite them. Are you going to be walking around the streets of US and gunning down drug dealers/smugglers while doing so? Apparently you seem to think you can. And now let's watch you ignore the rest of the post in any possible replies and just concentrate on this for moral outrage.

Here are the pictures of the supposed "fishing boats" that were blown up by the US Navy. Note all the bundles of what appears to be either cocaine or fentanyl. Perhaps all the "fishing gear" is underneath it? Now is the part where you dismiss the evidence and continue claiming there is none, even though I cannot provide it to you. Good day. For the record, if I do not reply, it isn't because I cannot provide evidence. It means that evidence is not worth presenting to ideologues who refuse to accept it.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

And besides, they don't actually care about the drug deaths.

Trump is doing far more about the drug problem than any democrat in years. So if you assert "they" don't actually care, what does that say about the democrats? Because, last I checked, it is liberals who are finding themselves defending drug smugglers, human traffickers, and international gangsters in their desperate attempt to resist Trump.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

In case you were not aware, the mass migration of Venezuelans to the US is fundamentally driven by a dire humanitarian crisis where our brothers and sisters in Christ are increasingly subjected to extreme compulsion and duress by powerful criminal organizations like the Tren de Aragua and drug cartels. These groups exploit the economic collapse to force vulnerable individuals, including those operating drug-running vessels, into criminal acts under the credible, imminent threat of death or the murder of their family members. This is a terrifying reality of forced criminality and violence, which fundamentally underscores why Christian families are fleeing Venezuela in search of safety, only to face the possibility of being killed by interdiction forces despite their duress. We who live conformable in the US and especially Christians should understand this fact, over 90% of Venezuela is Christian. And those drug runners are most likely Christians who are forced into labor to save their families.
Let us reason, please.

So you would then agree that the best course of action is to set up a meeting between these cartel members and God so that our brothers and sisters in Christ can finally live in peace and safety in their own country.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

I seriously doubt that even if you include drug deaths caused by people willingly getting into a drug habit and buying the drugs, you get to more than 200.000 deaths caused by "these cartels" every year.

I suspect that if you had a son or daughter killed by a cocaine or fentanyl overdose, you would have a completely different opinion.

 

[Say it aint so]

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Here are the pictures of the supposed "fishing boats" that were blown up by the US Navy. Note all the bundles of what appears to be either cocaine or fentanyl. Perhaps all the "fishing gear" is underneath it? Now is the part where you dismiss the evidence and continue claiming there is none, even though I cannot provide it to you. Good day. For the record, if I do not reply, it isn't because I cannot provide evidence. It means that evidence is not worth presenting to ideologues who refuse to accept it.

No one is denying drugs were not being ran.
The question is one of illegality.
It's about military code.
We have training in place and orders to do better.
Why not follow them and do better.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Didn't your president just pardoned someone responsible for the very killings you speak of?

Do you not think Trump did the right thing? Gee, talk about darned if you do, darned if you don't. You blow up drug dealers, liberals complain. You arrest drug dealers, liberals complain. You set drug dealers free, liberals complain. It appears the best approach is to do nothing, which is probably why liberals do nothing about it.