The NEA is pushing far left teaching upon children

[Nithavela]

And yet, gender affirming care, as it is so-called, hasn't been helpful either.

How would you define "helpful" in this case?

 

[A2SG]

Well, you thought wrong.

Nope. I've used pronouns all my life, and I've yet to worry about biology when I do it.

Again, transgender equals mental health issues, not biology.

Is that your professional opinion, doctor?

Hence you have proven my point that people are not born trans, they are recruited and groomed.

Your claim has not been proven in any way whatsoever, least of all through anything I've said.

-- A2SG, four individuals do not a scientific certainty make.....

 

[Oompa Loompa]

And yet, gender affirming care, as it is so-called, hasn't been helpful either. That's a rather moot point.

Telling people they can be something they aren't only harms them.

Perhaps the answer is removing the social contagion, indoctrination, grooming, and brainwashing. Then watch how drastically the LGBT numbers plummet.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Gee, is that the only indicator of a mental health issue?

Nope. But it is an obvious indicator. No different than if someone identified as an amputee and had a perfectly functional leg cut off.

 

[A2SG]

I'm simply stating someone can know what someone's gender/sex is by simply looking at them. Nothing more, nothing less.

When you look at someone, the way they dress, style their hair, etc., you're observing how they express their gender. You can assume you know their sex from these things, but you won't really know unless you take a blood test and examine it in a lab.

-- A2SG, sometimes, even genitalia can fool you....

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Nope. I've used pronouns all my life, and I've yet to worry about biology when I do it.

Sounds like a personal problem.

Is that your professional opinion, doctor?

I already gave it to you.

Your claim has not been proven in any way whatsoever, least of all through anything I've said.

Yes it has.

-- A2SG, four individuals do not a scientific certainty make.....

But at least I know what a woman is.

 

[A2SG]

Yes. It is also found in their DNA. No surgery or self mutilation can change that no matter how delusional a person is.

No one has said otherwise.

-- A2SG, amazing the variety of strawmen running around this subject....

 

[Hans Blaster]

How would a boy know what it's like to be a girl or vice versa? Based on stereotypes and feelings?

They would know which ones they are because their parents told them so based on their... oh wait, you said it wasn't about genitalia. That's my point. Kids go deep into their lives with the only way to even start to put them in a category is their genitalia. (Puberty will give other signals.) If kids didn't have genitalia that could be used for such assignment they could observe adults and might find themselves identifying with one or the other before their sex becomes apparent at puberty. What if it was different?

If gender is JUST a social construct,

Did I say that?

so called gender affirming care inset' necessary, then, because their physical characteristics are irrelevant.

If someone identified as male wouldn't they want their appearance to be in the grouping of "male"? Is that not so odd?

 

[A2SG]

Nope. But it is an obvious indicator. No different than if someone identified as an amputee and had a perfectly functional leg cut off.

Or wants a perfectly functional nose altered. Or wishes to have implants.

Seems to me there are a lot of ways any number of mental health issues can be expressed.

-- A2SG, lot of conflating issues and illnesses here.....

 

[Oompa Loompa]

When you look at someone, the way they dress, style their hair, etc., you're observing how they express their gender. You can assume you know their sex from these things, but you won't really know unless you take a blood test and examine it in a lab.

-- A2SG, sometimes, even genitalia can fool you....

Again, gender is a made up term to obfuscate reality. What is going on in your brain has nothing to do with the fact that men cannot be women, and women cannot be men, no matter how hare you believe otherwise.

 

[A2SG]

Sounds like a personal problem.

Not a problem at all, in fact.

I already gave it to you.

And what medical school did you graduate from, I wonder?

Yes it has.

Nope. You've made a claim, based on four individuals who may simply share a common issue, nothing more.

But at least I know what a woman is.

So you assume. I know a couple who would fool you.

-- A2SG, and not all of them are actually trans....

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Or wants a perfectly functional nose altered. Or wishes to have implants.

Seems to me there are a lot of ways any number of mental health issues can be expressed.

-- A2SG, lot of conflating issues and illnesses here.....

Yes. People who get plastic surgery to remove perfectly functional body parts to change their appearance have mental health issues. But not nearly as extreme as cutting off your genitalia. That is just plain insane.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Not a problem at all, in fact.


And what medical school did you graduate from, I wonder?


Nope. You've made a claim, based on four individuals who may simply share a common issue, nothing more.


So you assume. I know a couple who would fool you.

-- A2SG, and not all of them are actually trans....

Test question. Is this a cat or a human?

 

[A2SG]

Again, gender is a made up term to obfuscate reality.

Nope. It's a term that's come to mean how a person expresses an aspect of their identity.

What is going on in your brain has nothing to do with the fact that men cannot be women, and women cannot be men, no matter how hare you believe otherwise.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

-- A2SG, don't be another Horatio....

 

[A2SG]

Yes. People who get plastic surgery to remove perfectly functional body parts to change their appearance have mental health issues.

Sure, same as everyone else. We all have issues. Not all involve surgery, of course, but everyone is different.

But not nearly as extreme as cutting off your genitalia. That is just plain insane.

I'll grant you, it's not recommended for everyone.

-- A2SG, though, neither is cutting off a baby boy's foreskin, but some still do it without even asking the kid first....

 

[A2SG]

Test question. Is this a cat or a human?

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Is this a pass/fail test, or are we graded on a curve?

-- A2SG, worried about my grade point average....

 

[rjs330]

The only therapy and medication that have been shown to aleviate the suffering of those who have gender disphoria are gender-affirming treatments.

Any treatment and medication that focuses on trying to make the people suffering from gender disphoria adhere to their birth gender is extremely harmful and ineffective.

Not true on both accounts.

 

[rjs330]

And if the parents agree with the child we should do what?

Go get mental health help.

Sure, but is it in this particular case?

Yea it is.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Is this a pass/fail test, or are we graded on a curve?

-- A2SG, worried about my grade point average....

It is a pass/fail test. Can you answer the question? Cat or human?