The NEA is pushing far left teaching upon children

[BCP1928]

Well, are the teachers in the OP conservative or liberal? You know, the ones who are grooming and indoctinating trans ideology onto their students?

You're just annoyed because they are not being groomed and indoctrinated into yours any more.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Did I dismiss your claim by calling it ridiculous or absurd?

No.

I wonder, though, if you may be dealing with a skewed sample. Four individuals isn't exactly a statistically significant segment of the trans population.

-- A2SG, and, as I said, my research suggests otherwise....

What if I were to tell you that if you are not trans, you have no right to have an opinion on the subject. That is basically what you are trying to tell me.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

You're just annoyed because they are not being groomed and indoctrinated into yours any more.

What on earth are you talking about?

 

[rjs330]

I did before I posted. (checks again) Yep. Still the same:

"A girl or young woman who exhibits masculine traits through her activities, behaviors and style."

Please note it is referring to a girl or young woman. Which has always been a reference to their sex. And this girl exhibits masculine traits, which is typically a reference she likes to do things boys like to do, such as hunt, fish, wrestle or play tackle football. The question quickly becomes is can't you be a girl inside and out and still like to do those things?

Why is trans OK with you if you get to call a trans person a "Tomboy? instead of a "boy?" If being trans is a sin, it's a sin whether you call a trans person a tomboy or a boy. Could you also say "butch" or "dyke" without offending your religious sensibilities?

Who calls a trans person a tomboy? What in earth is your point here? Where did you get the idea that tomboys are trans? Can't some girls like some boy things and still be girls? Who made the rule that if you are a tomboy you must be trans? (Or even lesbian).

 

[RileyG]

At one t time, they were called "metrosexual." Meaning that they were men with feminine characteristics. But men nonetheless. Also, there was a time where the word "Tom-Boy" was used to describe a women with male characteristics. Everything was fine until trans ideology and pseudoscience plagued the culture like an infection. This has now become a social contagion.

Yup. Not to mention “metrosexuals” and tomboys are generally heterosexual with no major mental health problems. A woman who likes sort hair, sports, and outdoors is still a woman, and a man who cares about his looks and is well groomed regardless of his feelings.

 

[RileyG]

Out of curiosity, how many transgender people did you speak to before coming to this conclusion?

-- A2SG, could take a guess, but let's see what you say....

Of those I know, many had other mental illnesses, or grew up with no father, or were bullied, and sometimes lacked social skills or acted socially inappropriate/attention seeking.

It’s very much a mental health issue.

 

[A2SG]

What if I were to tell you that if you are not trans, you have no right to have an opinion on the subject. That is basically what you are trying to tell me.

But that isn't what I said at all. I simply addressed your claim that "transgender are not born, they are groomed and recruited," I do not believe that's typical for trans people, based on the trans people I know and have met, spoken with or listened to. Your experience seems to be widely different, and I wonder if that may be due to a skewed sample. Just suggesting the possibility.

Granted, neither one of us is trans, so our perception may be off, but if the trans community wishes to tell me I'm incorrect, I'll alter my belief.

-- A2SG, generally prefer to let other people speak for themselves about their own identities....

 

[A2SG]

Of those I know, many had other mental illnesses, or grew up with no father, or were bullied, and sometimes lacked social skills or acted socially inappropriate/attention seeking.

It’s very much a mental health issue.

I know a bunch of christians who have mental health issues, does that mean there's a correlation between religion and mental health disorders?

Lots of people have mental health issues, not all of them are related to their gender identity or any other single aspect of their personality.

-- A2SG, people deal with their personal struggles in a wide variety of ways....

 

[RileyG]

I know a bunch of christians who have mental health issues, does that mean there's a correlation between religion and mental health disorders?

Lots of people have mental health issues, not all of them are related to their gender identity or any other single aspect of their personality.

-- A2SG, people deal with their personal struggles in a wide variety of ways....

If someone claims to be something they aren’t, then it’s immediately a mental health issue. That’s the difference. Notice I didn’t once mention religion or God in the post being quoted.

Peace

 

[RileyG]

But that isn't what I said at all. I simply addressed your claim that "transgender are not born, they are groomed and recruited," I do not believe that's typical for trans people, based on the trans people I know and have met, spoken with or listened to. Your experience seems to be widely different, and I wonder if that may be due to a skewed sample. Just suggesting the possibility.

Granted, neither one of us is trans, so our perception may be off, but if the trans community wishes to tell me I'm incorrect, I'll alter my belief.

-- A2SG, generally prefer to let other people speak for themselves about their own identities....

Just leave minors out of it. If they want to be trans, they can make that decision as a mature adult. Leave children out of the propaganda.

That’s a fair compromise, imo.

 

[A2SG]

If someone claims to be something they aren’t, then it’s immediately a mental health issue.

Who's to say what they are or aren't? We're talking about issues of identity here, and no one else can tell an individual what their identity really is.

Besides, many of the issues you describe may not be the cause of being trans, but the result of it. For example, a boy behaving in a feminine manner could easily be bullied because of that; a lack of social skills or acting in inappropriate ways could be because they feel they are not the gender other people say they have to be, or that they don't fit into the tiny little box others expect them to.

Mental health issues are rarely simple, ya know.

That’s the difference. Notice I didn’t once mention religion or God in the post being quoted.

Peace

I know. I made the comparison.

Consider, just for a moment, that there are some who could say that believing in a supernatural being that cannot be proven or demonstrated could be a sign of mental illness. Just depends on how you look at it.

-- A2SG, perception is everything....

 

[Stopped_lurking]

Just leave minors out of it. If they want to be trans, they can make that decision as a mature adult.

So what if they wish to be talked about with other pronouns, we should do what?

Leave children out of the propaganda.

Aren't you just now using the kids in your argument? Isn't this your propaganda then?

That’s a fair compromise, imo.

If we do what you want in the meantime (perhaps even contrary to what the kids want)?

 

[A2SG]

Just leave minors out of it.

I never even mentioned them.

If they want to be trans, they can make that decision as a mature adult. Leave children out of the propaganda.

That’s a fair compromise, imo.

But, since you brought it up....what about those minors who have questions about the feelings they have? Shouldn't they be allowed to talk to someone about them?

-- A2SG, even minors can feel stuff, ya know....

 

[RileyG]

Who's to say what they are or aren't? We're talking about issues of identity here, and no one else can tell an individual what their identity really is.

Besides, many of the issues you describe may not be the cause of being trans, but the result of it. For example, a boy behaving in a feminine manner could easily be bullied because of that; a lack of social skills or acting in inappropriate ways could be because they feel they are not the gender other people say they have to be, or that they don't fit into the tiny little box others expect them to.

Mental health issues are rarely simple, ya know.


I know. I made the comparison.

Consider, just for a moment, that there are some who could say that believing in a supernatural being that cannot be proven or demonstrated could be a sign of mental illness. Just depends on how you look at it.

-- A2SG, perception is everything....

I don’t know. A boy acting in a feminine manner is still a boy, he cannot change his chromosomes or biology, but bullying can definitely be a factor. A boy wouldn’t know what it’s like to be a girl just because he likes girl things; that’s nonsense.

Maybe people identify as the opposite gender because of trauma? Then again, correlation doesn’t equal causation.

True it’s complicated.

And comparing religion to this identity issue is apple and oranges.

 

[RileyG]

So what if they wish to be talked about with other pronouns, we should do what?

Aren't you just now using the kids in your argument? Isn't this your propaganda then?

If we do what you want in the meantime (perhaps even contrary to what the kids want)?

They can ask their parents at home. Hopefully they have the best interest in mind and don’t treat their children as an experiment.

Children are impressionable. Sometimes saying “no” is the best answer.

 

[RileyG]

I never even mentioned them.


But, since you brought it up....what about those minors who have questions about the feelings they have? Shouldn't they be allowed to talk to someone about them?

-- A2SG, even minors can feel stuff, ya know....

Sure. A lot of those feelings can fade in time. It can just be a phase.

 

[Stopped_lurking]

They can ask their parents at home. Hopefully they have the best interest in mind and don’t treat their children as an experiment.

And if the parents agree with the child we should do what?

Children are impressionable. Sometimes saying “no” is the best answer.

Sure, but is it in this particular case?

 

[Oompa Loompa]

I know a bunch of christians who have mental health issues, does that mean there's a correlation between religion and mental health disorders?

Lots of people have mental health issues, not all of them are related to their gender identity or any other single aspect of their personality.

-- A2SG, people deal with their personal struggles in a wide variety of ways....

100% of trans people have mental health issues.

 

[RileyG]

And if the parents agree with the child we should do what?

Sure, but is it in this particular case?

Hopefully the child’s best interest is in mind. Making permanent changes on a child who may be going through a phase isn’t exactly wise though.

 

[RileyG]

100% of trans people have mental health issues.

Agreed; and it should be treated as such with talk therapy and medication. Not bodily mutilation and hormones.