Hell doesn't exist and there is no eternal suffering, instead bad peolle just cease to exist

[Dan1988]

So if you reject those who come preaching rubbish, because it's necesssry to embrace their rubbish, and thus rejecting them as the fraudsters they obviously are we're "rejecting God's order"
Well, that at least gives us yet another example of why we should reject your rubbish, as you set it of being equal to, or superior to, the Gospel of Christ. T

No "as you do" we;re claiming that you're preaching unscriptural, explicitly false, rubbish, a corruption of the Gospel of Christ.

That and $2 and change will get you a small coffee at Starbucks.

That Jim-Bob's Muffler Shop and Theological Seminary offers.

<Guffaw<

I'm fine with a BS in Electrical Engineering and the ability to read, and I doubt that your guru has either.

OK, so now you're saying that God appoints His men to preach the doctrine of demons. I think you have confused The Lord God, with the god of this world, and that goes to prove that the god of this world has blinded you so you don't know the difference between lies and the truth.

I'm not sure if you believe in The Lord, and what He has said, but if you did then you would know that His people (the elect) can't be deceived by demonic doctrine and to suggest that we can, shows you don't fear God.

You have never found a singe fault with any of the doctrines I hold to, so all you can do is resort to the lowest common denominator, and that being slander.

 

[Dan1988]

Wow. St. Paul took a very different view:
6 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.

Your religion apparently denies that. Imagine my shock.

The "truth" that your gurus have made up

I have cited many verses, which prove that that the gospel is the most offensive stench that an unbeliever can smell. So, yes the gospel is the most hated of all things in this world. Thousands of Christians are being murdered for sharing the gospel every single week.

So don't give me this nonsense about Paul taking a different view, they murdered all of God prophets and 11 of the disciples and they tried to kill Paul as well. Now doesn't that show how the world loves the gospel. Wow, you way out man

 

[Dan1988]

Agreed, (as He said over 70x) His only gospel was of the Kingdom and that was why He was sent..

No, He was sent to save the (elect of God only), you know those whom God chose to save before He created the world. You simply can't get around that awful truth can you....

 

[RamiC]

49,000 denominations

"Among the 23,600 “Independents” and “Marginals” (70% of the whole) are large numbers of groups one would have a hard time calling Protestant. They include Mormons (122 denominations), Jehovah’s Witnesses (229 denominations), Masons (28 denominations), Christadelphians (21 denominations) Unitarians (29 denominations), Christian Science (59 denominations), Theosophists (3 more denominations), British Israelites (8 denominations), Prosperity Gospel groups (27 denominations), Oneness Pentecostals (680 denominations), “Hidden Buddhist Believers in Christ” (9 denominations), wandering bishops (12 denominations), Independent Nestorians (5 denominations), occultists (3 denominations), spiritists (20 denominations), Zionists (159 denominations), even “Arab radio/TV network” (19 denominations), “gay/homosexual tradition” (2 denominations), and schismatic Catholics (435 denominations). It is a strange and eclectic list. (See here and here.)" We Need to Stop Saying That There Are 33,000 Protestant Denominations | National Catholic Register

"Critics point out that the high numbers often come from counting every national branch of a global communion as if it were a separate denomination. For example, instead of treating the Catholic Church as a single worldwide body, some tallies list it multiple times—once for each country—so that it appears as hundreds of separate denominations rather than one unified church."

and

"While headlines or casual conversations may repeat the figure of 45,000 denominations, that number is based on overly broad definitions. A more careful tally—focusing on major denominational families or communions—puts the figure in the low hundreds." Bolding mine.

How Many Denominations of Christianity Are There? — Anthony Delgado

The source of the highly questionable statistic "49,000" is here - https://www.gordonconwell.edu/center-for-global-christianity/research/quick-facts/

 

[Tom8907]

I wonder what you make about the verse about being tormented day and night with no rest...

 

[JulieB67]

I have asked you many times to show me a single verse to support your un biblical private theory, but you have consistently failed. I knew you would fail miserably because your theology is based on false doctrines.

If a single verse existed to support your private theory, you would have googled it by now and used it to prop up your strawman.
Not sure why you keep listing unrelated verses of scripture which say nothing to support your wild theories. It just shows that you're desperate to defend the indefensible.

So once again, you fail to answer biblical questions about certain scriptures.
Wow, some teachers you have. They have not even prepared you to answer the simplest of questions regarding certain verses and your beliefs on them. And you've failed to show how we are taking them out of context and what you believe they really mean. You should be prepared to give an answer at all times if you really had all of the truth. But you can't because you only have what you're being spoon fed with. And that's a sad state.

Hopefully you'll set out on your own one day with an objective mind and test the them/your teachers verses what the Word of God is really stating about certain subjects. And if you still believe as you do, fine but at least you will have at least made an honest effort. And hopefully you'll have learned some humility in the process.

 

[Dan1988]

So once again, you fail to answer biblical questions about certain scriptures.
Wow, some teachers you have. They have not even prepared you to answer the simplest of questions regarding certain verses and your beliefs on them. And you've failed to show how we are taking them out of context and what you believe they really mean. You should be prepared to give an answer at all times if you really had all of the truth. But you can't because you only have what you're being spoon fed with. And that's a sad state.

Hopefully you'll set out on your own one day with an objective mind and test the them/your teachers verses what the Word of God is really stating about certain subjects. And if you still believe as you do, fine but at least you will have at least made an honest effort. And hopefully you'll have learned some humility in the process.

As I have already repeated over and over again "Your question is mute, it's not a biblical question. I can't comment on your wild theory, because it makes no sense. It's not a valid question, there's not a single shred of Biblical evidence to support your silly nonsense".
I have asked you over and over again to show me one single place in the Bible which supports your silly idea. You keep trying to misapply, unrelated verses and that's abusing Gods Word to make it say what you want it to say.

I'm not waiting for you to find the words "antihalation" and or "cessation of existence", you will turn blue in the face before youy find them, I know the bible and I guarantee they are not there, so back to class you go.

 

[RamiC]

unless you are being led by the Holy Spirit. Here are some verses to help you understand this awful truth.

"14 How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? 15 And how can anyone preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!” Romans 10:14-15 NIV

"The word gospel comes from the Old English god meaning "good" and spel meaning "news, a story." Gospel - Definition, Meaning & Synonyms

Gospel = good news, it does not mean "awful truth".

1 Corinthians 2:14: "But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." This is perhaps the primary verse cited, emphasizing that spiritual truths are beyond the comprehension of those without the Holy Spirit.

Agreed, but where is the awful part? You are supposed to be explaining what is so terrible with this verse, where is the bad news?

Romans 8:7-8: "Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God." This passage is used to argue that the unbeliever's mind is actively hostile toward God, making them morally and spiritually incapable of obeying or pleasing Him.

Agreed, but where is the awful part? You are supposed to be explaining what is so terrible with this verse, where is the bad news?

2 Corinthians 4:4: "whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them." This verse is often cited to show that Satan has a role in blinding the minds of unbelievers, further hindering their ability to receive the Gospel.

"6 For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,”[a] made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of God’s glory displayed in the face of Christ. 7 But we have this treasure in jars of clay to show that this all-surpassing power is from God and not from us. 8 We are hard pressed on every side, but not crushed; perplexed, but not in despair; 9 persecuted, but not abandoned; struck down, but not destroyed. 10 We always carry around in our body the death of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus may also be revealed in our body. 11 For we who are alive are always being given over to death for Jesus’ sake, so that his life may also be revealed in our mortal body. 12 So then, death is at work in us, but life is at work in you. 13 It is written: “I believed; therefore I have spoken.”[b] Since we have that same spirit of[c] faith, we also believe and therefore speak, 16 Therefore we do not lose heart. Though outwardly we are wasting away, yet inwardly we are being renewed day by day. 17 For our light and momentary troubles are achieving for us an eternal glory that far outweighs them all." 2 Corinthians 4 6-17 NIV

The Good News that is the gospel of Jesus Christ, in which Satan is defeated.

John 6:44: "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day." This verse highlights the necessity of God's prior drawing power for anyone to even come to faith in Christ.

"12 Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it." John 14 12 - 13 NIV

More good news here. Simply ask the Father to draw you, invite the vital spirit of God to remove Satan from oneself or another, and no awful truth is going.

John 8:47: "He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God." Jesus's words here indicate a spiritual condition: an unbeliever's inability to "hear" (receive and obey) God's words stems from not belonging to God.

"37 I know that you are Abraham’s descendants. Yet you are looking for a way to kill me, because you have no room for my word." John 8 37 NIV

You are citing a specific group of people who are seeking to kill Jesus at the time when He was on earth in human form here. This verse does not reference everyone who has not been taught by your preacher.

Although your point, yes, it is true, it is again not awful though...Jesus knows who is trying to kill Him, well being omniscient He would.

Now here is why none of the verses that you have provided actually explain what is so awful and terrible...

"3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it." John 1 3-5 NIV

There it is...the good news.

 

[RamiC]

I'm not waiting for you to find the words "antihalation" and or "cessation of existence", you will turn blue in the face before youy find them, I know the bible and I guarantee they are not there,

30 Bible verses about Annihilation

Please do not wait, I do not care if my face is blue, but here indeed is what you say is not there.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

According to the bible, God is perfectly holy. He is not a human being punishing another human being. We have all broken God's commandments, and deserve only His wrath and punishment. Yes, He is also a God of grace, which is why He sent a Saviour, so that sinners believing in Him could be saved from their deserved punishment. Merely ceasing to exist wouldn't be punishment, certainly not the "everlasting punishment" Jesus spoke about in Matthew 25:46. If one ceases to exist, one cannot experience everlasting punishment.

The punishment is everlasting, death Rom6:23.
θάνατος thánatos, than'-at-os; from G2348; (properly, an adjective used as a noun) death (literally or figuratively):—X deadly, (be…) death.

It does not say everlasting punishing which would make one immortal, only those saved will have everlasting life and become immortal once Jesus returns. Those who are not in Christ shall perish (die) John3:16

ἀπόλλυμι apóllymi, ap-ol'-loo-mee; from G575 and the base of G3639; to destroy fully (reflexively, to perish, or lose), literally or figuratively:—destroy, die, lose, mar, perish.

 

[JulieB67]

it's not a biblical question.

Asking your beliefs about certain biblical verses is most definitely a biblical question.

 

[SarahsKnight]

If my cat or my dog made a mess, how much punishment do they deserve? Very little, if at all. I would be an evil person if I tortured them.

Despite our errors and addictions, we trust ourselves and others in the loving hands of God and Christ.

Amen to that. I remember you expressing worry over hell and how you are faring spiritually the other day in one of the Singles threads, @Dreyma . I think you would do well to listen to @Andrewn 's words here.

 

[timothyu]

No, He was sent to save the (elect of God only),

Luke 4: 43 but he said to them, “I must preach the good news of the kingdom of God to the other towns as well; for I was sent for this purpose.”

 

[Light of the East]

None of the doctrines that you hod to are based on Gods Word. All of them, without exception are based on the Gnosticism.

I almost spit my coffee all over my monitor. You apparently are woefully ignorant of Church history. The Gnostics and all that they taught were widely condemned by the Church Fathers.

You will never find ma single verse of scripture to support the Gnostic doctrine that the Lord Jesus taught "cannibalism" and that's exactly what you are suggesting here.

This is the same problem that one has in dealing with atheists - you show them proofs and because they do not wish to humble themselves and admit that they were wrong, they find all kinds of reasons and excuses to not believe.

1 Jesus Himself said "This IS my Body." What part of "IS" do you not get? The Jews in John 6, when told by Jesus that they had to "eat my flesh" and "drink my blood," went away both disgusted and utterly confused at this statement because it implied cannibalism. They took Him quite literally.

2. The Apostles learned from Christ and in turn, taught the next generation what He had taught them. If you read the sermons and letters of these first pastors of the Church, they taught TO A MAN, that the Eucharist is the very Body and Blood of Christ. WHERE did they learn such a thing except that the Apostles taught it to them.

3. The entirety of Christianity, even the heretics such as Arias, nonetheless believed in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist. It wasn't until the Protestant Rebellion that other heretical ideas came into being.

The Lords Supper is celebrated to commemorate, what the Lord did on the cross, to purchase salvation for "Gods elect". The Lord said, at the last supper, "do this in remembrance of Me". So that's what we do, but we don't perform some kind of ritual, using black magic or witchcraft to turn the elements of the bread and wine, into flesh and blood.

The word remembrance is the Greek word (ἀνάμνησις) anamnēsis means more than just to remember. It is a calling to mind with the idea that the thing being remembered is actually and truly present now. It is a making present in reality of that which is being called to mind. Rituals are extremely important in a covenant relationship. No covenant is ever made without a covenant-making ritual and no covenant is repair or experienced with out ritual. Your barren intellectualism of Protestantism has nothing to do with covenant, yet we live in the New Covenant and therefore must abide by covenant rules and rituals. And to associate the Eucharist with "black magic" is heresy in extremely bad taste.

The Gnostics came up with "transubstantiation", it never existed in the Apostolic Church, neither did any of the other rituals that your Eastern Orthodox Denomination invented.

As I said, ritual is part of covenant life. You are profoundly ignorant of what it means to live in the New Covenant of God. If you want to stop being uneducated about this most important facet of the Christian life, I highly recommend this book:



Written by a former Presbyterian Calvinist, he found that all of the rituals which he (and you) despised were actually part of the covenant relationship of God to man. And, of course, without any defense against the truth, he converted.

To suggest that God is love, is another ignorant statement, because we know that God is hate. God said He hated Esau before Esau was born. How does that fit in with your "God is love" opinion. God not only hates people before they are born but He also hates their deeds while they live in this life. He said He hates the deeds of the Nicolaitans in Rev 2:15

To hate something does not mean the same thing as to be ontologically hate. I am beyond stunned that you would make such a statement. You have no idea of ontological reality regarding God. And it is quite obvious that you are a Calvinist. You speak like one.

You will never find a single verse to support this heretical view that God loves everyone and wishes to save everyone. But the opposite is true, God so hated the world that He killed every single man, woman, child and unborn babies in their mothers womb, with a flood. And He will cast that vast majority of mankind into the lake of fire to be tormented for all eternity. Now that's a God of love

With that reasoning, then Hitler, Stalin, and Mao were some of the most loving people who ever existed on the face of this wretched little planet. Honestly, to suggest that someone who tortures another sentient being is a person of love is beyond the pale.

 

[RamiC]

You will never find a single verse to support this heretical view that God loves everyone and wishes to save everyone.

Most quoted verse in the Bible.

Here it is..."16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3-16 NIV

3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 1 Timothy 2 3-4 NIV

You are technically correct of course, because that was two verses.

 

[RamiC]

God so hated the world that He killed every single man, woman, child and unborn babies in their mothers womb, with a flood. And He will cast that vast majority of mankind into the lake of fire to be tormented for all eternity. Now that's a God of love

"7 And Noah and his sons and his wife and his sons’ wives entered the ark to escape the waters of the flood. 8 Pairs of clean and unclean animals, of birds and of all creatures that move along the ground, 9 male and female, came to Noah and entered the ark, as God had commanded Noah." Genesis 7 - 7 NIV

You have forgotten someone, and his wife, and their sons, and their wives.

 

[Jipsah]

"Your question is mute

That’s “moot” you’re looking for. Just beginning the hilarity in this post

I can't comment on your wild theory

Not in any rational way, anyhow.

because it makes no sense.

Because you have to read it through the impenetrable fog of your hand wrought doctrine.

It's not a valid question, there's not a single shred of Biblical evidence to support your silly nonsense".

Because you a, shall we say “unique” understanding of what you believe the Bible “really means”, which often has little or nothing to do with what it actually says.

I'm not waiting for you to find the words "antihalation"

I don’t think anyone will have any luck finding that one.

and or "cessation of existence",

That’s generally referred to as “death” by native English speakers.

I know the bible

I’m not sure we’ve seen enough evidence to convict you of that charge.

and I guarantee they are not there

Given that nobody talks that way that isn’t really a surprise, is it?

so back to class you go.

Is that a class on various heterodox/heretical pseudo Christian sects?