Do you keep the Sabbath? (poll)

[boughtwithaprice]

I have made a practice not to continue debating when someone uses their own words as if its equal to God's. Your argument is not Biblically supported, There is no Scripture that says the NC changed God's 4th commandment. This goes against God's very own teaching where He said the exact opposite. I will not alter the words of the covenant Deut4:13 Psa89:34 not a jot or tittle Mat5:18-19, so not something as small as a dot of an i or cross of a t can pass from the law of God, so changing it is going against the clear will of God. He predicted the Sabbath would be changed Dan7:25 but not by Him and there is a clear history of this already provided and they admit doing so based on their authority over the word of God. Anytime, when we elevate a man-made teaching over one of God's commandments, it is profaning it, Jesus used the phrase worshipping Him in vain Mat15:3-14 Mark7:7-13, even if we do not think so. Its why God Himself said not keeping the Sabbath is going after idols Eze20:16. Its replacing the Authority of God with another authority. I know it sounds good to the ears that we can receive God's blessings and sanctification on a day God made for work and labors, but its not something we can find in our Bibles. God in His own words condemned this. Eze22:26 Eze20:16 Isa66:17

In my view of the Bible, we are to change our life around God's word, not the other way around. God was specific for a reason, just like he was with Adam and Eve and just like He was with the children of Israel during their trial of the wilderness. God does want to bless Isa56:2 and sanctify us Eze20:12 but its based on His power of Authority Exo20:11, not based on what man wants.

Anyway, I wish you well, I am going to leave it as agree to disagree.

I do not consider it arguing because we both believe the Sabbath was instituted by God, and I do not argue profaning it. You say it is my words and not scripture but Paul says the same that I am saying in Romans 14

4- Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? To his own lord he standeth or falleth. And he shall stand: for God is able to make him stand 5 For one judgeth between day and day: and another judgeth every day: let every man abound in his own sense.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord. And he that eateth, eateth to the Lord: for he giveth thanks to God. And he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth thanks to God. 7 For none of us liveth to himself; and no man dieth to himself. 8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; or whether we die, we die unto the Lord. Therefore, whether we live, or whether we die, we are the Lord's. 9 For to this end Christ died and rose again; that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living. 10 But thou, why judgest thou thy brother? or thou, why dost thou despise thy brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.


Keeping everyday alike does not nullify the Sabbath, it amplifies it. We are to deny ourselves always and mortify the deeds of our flesh. In doing so, we never profane the Sabbath.

This Sabbath only teaching is obviously a distraction in the body of Christ


Scripture also says in Matthew 7

16 By their fruits you shall know them. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit, and the evil tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can an evil tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit, shall be cut down, and shall be cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits you shall know them.



What is the fruit of Sabbath only teaching? To some it is a way to honor God. To others it is a cause of arrogance and ridicule causing some souls to view themselves superior which is against scripture which says consider all others as better than yourself

I do not say you do that, but there have been many SDA in my experience that do that and they are not rebuked. Does SDA not wish to instill humility in their adherents?

The error that SDA teaching on Romans 14 makes is that they claim others use it to justify profaning the Sabbath. It may be true for some but it does not reflect Church teaching and is therefore a misleading argument

I pray to God you seek the truth and not presume you already have it. This conversation with you has opened my eyes to further truth. Sunday does not nullify nor replace the Sabbath but celebrates its continuation
We have ceased from our labors by denying ourselves

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I do not consider it arguing because we both believe the Sabbath was instituted by God, and I do not argue profaning it. You say it is my words and not scripture but Paul says the same that I am saying in Romans 14

4- Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? To his own lord he standeth or falleth. And he shall stand: for God is able to make him stand 5 For one judgeth between day and day: and another judgeth every day: let every man abound in his own sense.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord. And he that eateth, eateth to the Lord: for he giveth thanks to God. And he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth thanks to God. 7 For none of us liveth to himself; and no man dieth to himself. 8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; or whether we die, we die unto the Lord. Therefore, whether we live, or whether we die, we are the Lord's. 9 For to this end Christ died and rose again; that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living. 10 But thou, why judgest thou thy brother? or thou, why dost thou despise thy brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
Keeping everyday alike does not nullify the Sabbath, it amplifies it. We are to deny ourselves always and mortify the deeds of our flesh. In doing so, we never profane the Sabbath.

This Sabbath only teaching is obviously a distraction in the body of Christ

Thanks for providing Scriptures, this is a popular argument against obeying one of God's commandments, but I do not believe it was what Paul was referring to. We are told that when God blesses something, like He did with the Sabbath, only He can reverse Num23:20, so we would need a thus saith the Lord. Especially when it comes to Paul who has a warning in Scripture that people twist his writings to their own destruction, so to indicate that we should believe that Paul just undid everything God said in all of Scripture starting from Creation on the Sabbath, that Jesus said plainly, not a jot or tittle shall pass from His law, not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments Mat5:18-19 but Paul is going to go against God and undo everything God said- God's own written Testimony that is under God's mercy seat. I see why we this was in our Bibles 2Peter3:16

Can you point to this passage where it says the Sabbath in Romans14? Can you point in this passage where what man esteems is more valuable than what God esteems in His own written and spoken Testimony. This is not an argument about if one should keep or not keep one of God's commandments its a discussion over what man esteems- like today some esteem Christmas as a religious holiday, while others do not, it was never about if we should disregard or keep a commandment of God or change what God wrote plainly. Not even your own church interprets this Scripture this way, they clearly say they changed the Sabbath not based on Scripture but their own authority over the word of God.

Scripture also says in Matthew 7

16 By their fruits you shall know them. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit, and the evil tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can an evil tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit, shall be cut down, and shall be cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits you shall know them.



What is the fruit of Sabbath only teaching? To some it is a way to honor God.

If we want to go by what the God of the Bible said in His own words, if that counts Isa58:13

To others it is a cause of arrogance and ridicule causing some souls to view themselves superior which is against scripture which says consider all others as better than yourself

I do not say you do that, but there have been many SDA in my experience that do that and they are not rebuked. Does SDA not wish to instill humility in their adherents?

The error that SDA teaching on Romans 14 makes is that they claim others use it to justify profaning the Sabbath. It may be true for some but it does not reflect Church teaching and is therefore a misleading argument

This is all an opinion and seems like the real distraction to move away from what God commanded and try to justify why doing so, to make it seem Biblical when no Scripture supports it. Sorry you see it that way, but my view is our time on this earth is drawing to a near and God is calling us out of the false teachings Rev18:4 that have been handed down to us before its too late Rev 22:11. I have never seen anyone use keeping the Sabbath as a way to make one feel better than someone else, if they do, we all have to answer to God, but even if someone was, it still doesn't change what God wrote and God spoke so plainly Exo20:8-11. What other people do or don't do has no bearing on our own salvation. He all have to stand before God based on what we do. Ecc12:13-14 2Cor5:10

I pray to God you seek the truth and not presume you already have it.

Same to you my friend.

This conversation with you has opened my eyes to further truth. Sunday does not nullify nor replace the Sabbath but celebrates its continuation We have ceased from our labors by denying ourselves

Nothing we can find in our Bibles, God made all other days for work and labors Exo20:9 God only blessed and sanctified one day, the seventh day is the Sabbath Exo20:8-11 Gen2:1-3 , the Holy Day of the Lord thy God thus saith the Lord Isa58:13 God never said this about any other day. Sunday over Sabbath is a man-made tradition over obeying one of God's personally written and spoken commandments that comes with His power of blessings and sanctification.