The bible isn't against LGBT

[Paulwat]

Here’s what those verses actually mean, and why they aren’t about LGBT people:

1. “Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind.” — Leviticus 18:22 / 20:13
These verses are part of the Holiness Code, a set of purity rules given to ancient Israel.
Important context:

The laws were meant to separate Israel from surrounding cultures, not to comment on sexual orientation.

The Hebrew terms focus on male dominance, ritual purity, and idolatrous temple-sex practices, not loving relationships.

Christians today don’t follow the same code (it also bans mixed fabrics, shellfish, trimming beards, etc.).
So this is not about consensual LGBT relationships as we understand them today.

2. The story of Sodom — Genesis 19
The issue in the Sodom story is attempted gang rape, violence, and violation of hospitality norms — not sexuality.
Even the Bible itself explains the sin of Sodom elsewhere:

Ezekiel 16:49 says the sin was arrogance, greed, and neglecting the poor.

Nothing in the text condemns loving LGBT relationships.

3. “Against nature” — Romans 1:26–27
Paul is talking about idolatry in pagan temples and people acting against their own nature, meaning going against their own desires as part of cult rituals.
Key points:

The word “nature” (“physis”) in Greek doesn’t mean “universal law” — it means “someone’s individual nature.”

Paul is describing people who were heterosexual engaging in ritual acts that violated their own orientation.

Paul had no concept of sexual orientation as we understand it today.
So this isn’t a blanket statement about LGBT identity or relationships.

4. “Arsenokoitai” and “malakoi” — 1 Corinthians 6:9 and 1 Timothy 1:10
These two Greek words are often translated poorly.

Malakoi means “soft” and was used to describe laziness, decadence, or sometimes male prostitution — not gay men.

Arsenokoitai is an extremely rare word that likely referred to economic or sexual exploitation, such as trafficking or abuses of power.
There’s no evidence i
t refers to consensual same-sex relationships.

Also, Jesus never mentioned LGBT being wrong. And why would a god create people who are born to be naturally LGBT if he didn't want anyone to be LGBT? It makes no sense why God would create them and then hate it.

 

[BibleBeliever1611]

They're literally allies of Satan

 

[Hentenza]

Here’s what those verses actually mean, and why they aren’t about LGBT people:

1. “Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind.” — Leviticus 18:22 / 20:13
These verses are part of the Holiness Code, a set of purity rules given to ancient Israel.
Important context:

The laws were meant to separate Israel from surrounding cultures, not to comment on sexual orientation.

The Hebrew terms focus on male dominance, ritual purity, and idolatrous temple-sex practices, not loving relationships.

Christians today don’t follow the same code (it also bans mixed fabrics, shellfish, trimming beards, etc.).
So this is not about consensual LGBT relationships as we understand them today.

2. The story of Sodom — Genesis 19
The issue in the Sodom story is attempted gang rape, violence, and violation of hospitality norms — not sexuality.
Even the Bible itself explains the sin of Sodom elsewhere:

Ezekiel 16:49 says the sin was arrogance, greed, and neglecting the poor.

Nothing in the text condemns loving LGBT relationships.

3. “Against nature” — Romans 1:26–27
Paul is talking about idolatry in pagan temples and people acting against their own nature, meaning going against their own desires as part of cult rituals.
Key points:

The word “nature” (“physis”) in Greek doesn’t mean “universal law” — it means “someone’s individual nature.”

Paul is describing people who were heterosexual engaging in ritual acts that violated their own orientation.

Paul had no concept of sexual orientation as we understand it today.
So this isn’t a blanket statement about LGBT identity or relationships.

4. “Arsenokoitai” and “malakoi” — 1 Corinthians 6:9 and 1 Timothy 1:10
These two Greek words are often translated poorly.

Malakoi means “soft” and was used to describe laziness, decadence, or sometimes male prostitution — not gay men.

Arsenokoitai is an extremely rare word that likely referred to economic or sexual exploitation, such as trafficking or abuses of power.
There’s no evidence i
t refers to consensual same-sex relationships.

Also, Jesus never mentioned LGBT being wrong. And why would a god create people who are born to be naturally LGBT if he didn't want anyone to be LGBT? It makes no sense why God would create them and then hate it.

There is a lot you did not quote from Romans 1.

“Therefore God gave them up to vile impurity in the lusts of their hearts, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for falsehood, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged natural relations for that which is contrary to nature, and likewise the men, too, abandoned natural relations with women and burned in their desire toward one another, males with males committing shameful acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a depraved mind, to do those things that are not proper,”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1‬:‭24‬-‭28‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Romans 1:24-28 Therefore God gave them up to vile impurity in the lusts of their hearts, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for falsehood, and worshiped and serv | New American Standard Bible - NA

Therefore God gave them up to vile impurity in the lusts of their hearts, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for falsehood, and worshiped and serv

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Where does it qualify these evil people as just idolaters?

 

[JulieB67]

2. The story of Sodom — Genesis 19
The issue in the Sodom story is attempted gang rape, violence, and violation of hospitality norms — not sexuality.

Ezekiel 16:49 says the sin was arrogance, greed, and neglecting the poor.

Jude described their sin and likened the sin to what the fallen angels did. It was about sexuality.


Jude 6 "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."


Jude 7 "Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them, in like manner giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."

Strange flesh means other or different flesh. So it was against the natural order to do such things.

1. “Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind.” — Leviticus 18:22 / 20:13

That verse is pretty straightforward. Are you sure you're not turning to man's word over God's?

The laws were meant to separate Israel from surrounding cultures, not to comment on sexual orientation.

And he states that those other nations are defiled. So what is your point?

not to comment on sexual orientation.

He called it an abomination. Now I personally have LGBQ in my family and I love them but that doesn't change the fact that I know how God sees it. And I'm not stating there aren't many other abominations to God but he does explicitly state this is one.

The problem with many today is they constantly think in the carnal sense. Sexuality should not even be the main driving force of a person. Even Paul states it would be better if they were as him, because they could then focus more on God, etc. But if they can't abstain, it would be better if they were to marry. And when he taught about marriage it was between a husband and wife.

The word “nature” (“physis”) in Greek doesn’t mean “universal law” — it means “someone’s individual nature.”

phusis -natural production. It doesn't state individual nature.

And the word natural-phusikos -physically, instinctively-naturally

Also, Jesus never mentioned LGBT being wrong

Because he knew that the people already knew the law. That's why he often states" have you not read?"

He also described marriage as being between a man and a woman.

Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, "Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,"

Matthew 19:5 "And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?"

3. “Against nature” — Romans 1:26–27
Paul is talking about idolatry in pagan temples and people acting against their own nature, meaning going against their own desires as part of cult rituals.

No, it does not state "their own nature"


Romans 1:27 "And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."

Paul had no concept of sexual orientation as we understand it today.
So this isn’t a blanket statement about LGBT identity or relationships.

He knew what was sin.

And why would anyone address these relationships in the bible, when they didn't consider them relationships? They considered it sin, period.

And I'm not saying we're not all without sin or ganging up on this particular sin but to say it's not a sin would be to go against God's Word.

And again, concerning Christians, our focus should be on God, first and foremost. Sexuality is of the flesh, pure and simple. Paul states it's even better to abstain and if someone can't, then they should marry but he wasn't promoting homosexuality.

 

[Servus]

Here’s what those verses actually mean, and why they aren’t about LGBT people:

1. “Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind.” — Leviticus 18:22 / 20:13
These verses are part of the Holiness Code, a set of purity rules given to ancient Israel.
Important context:

The laws were meant to separate Israel from surrounding cultures, not to comment on sexual orientation.

The Hebrew terms focus on male dominance, ritual purity, and idolatrous temple-sex practices, not loving relationships.

Christians today don’t follow the same code (it also bans mixed fabrics, shellfish, trimming beards, etc.).
So this is not about consensual LGBT relationships as we understand them today.

2. The story of Sodom — Genesis 19
The issue in the Sodom story is attempted gang rape, violence, and violation of hospitality norms — not sexuality.
Even the Bible itself explains the sin of Sodom elsewhere:

Ezekiel 16:49 says the sin was arrogance, greed, and neglecting the poor.

Nothing in the text condemns loving LGBT relationships.

3. “Against nature” — Romans 1:26–27
Paul is talking about idolatry in pagan temples and people acting against their own nature, meaning going against their own desires as part of cult rituals.
Key points:

The word “nature” (“physis”) in Greek doesn’t mean “universal law” — it means “someone’s individual nature.”

Paul is describing people who were heterosexual engaging in ritual acts that violated their own orientation.

Paul had no concept of sexual orientation as we understand it today.
So this isn’t a blanket statement about LGBT identity or relationships.

4. “Arsenokoitai” and “malakoi” — 1 Corinthians 6:9 and 1 Timothy 1:10
These two Greek words are often translated poorly.

Malakoi means “soft” and was used to describe laziness, decadence, or sometimes male prostitution — not gay men.

Arsenokoitai is an extremely rare word that likely referred to economic or sexual exploitation, such as trafficking or abuses of power.
There’s no evidence i
t refers to consensual same-sex relationships.

Also, Jesus never mentioned LGBT being wrong. And why would a god create people who are born to be naturally LGBT if he didn't want anyone to be LGBT? It makes no sense why God would create them and then hate it.

This is real simple. Sexual activity that takes place outside of marriage is fornication. And fornication is sexual immorality, which is a sin. It's also clear that marriage is between a male husband and a female wife.

 

[Paulwat]

There is a lot you did not quote from Romans 1.

“Therefore God gave them up to vile impurity in the lusts of their hearts, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for falsehood, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged natural relations for that which is contrary to nature, and likewise the men, too, abandoned natural relations with women and burned in their desire toward one another, males with males committing shameful acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a depraved mind, to do those things that are not proper,”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1‬:‭24‬-‭28‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Romans 1:24-28 Therefore God gave them up to vile impurity in the lusts of their hearts, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for falsehood, and worshiped and serv | New American Standard Bible - NA

Therefore God gave them up to vile impurity in the lusts of their hearts, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for falsehood, and worshiped and serv

bible.com

Where does it qualify these evil people as just idolaters?

People often lift these verses out of their context. Romans 1 isn’t describing loving same-sex relationships—it’s Paul talking about people in the ancient world who rejected God and engaged in exploitative, idolatrous practices. The “unnatural” acts he mentions were part of pagan temple rituals, power-imbalanced relationships, and excessive behavior tied to idol worship. Paul’s point is about idolatry and excess, not about consensual, loving LGBT relationships.

As for Matthew 19, Jesus is answering a specific question about divorce, not laying out every valid form of relationship that could ever exist. He refers to Adam and Eve because that’s the story his audience shared, not to exclude anyone. Quoting this passage to deny LGBT people dignity is reading something into the text that simply isn’t there.

In short: these verses address idolatry, exploitation, and divorce—not modern LGBT identities or loving same-sex relationships.

Also, what reason would God have for hating LGBT people? Some people feel happy in relationships and it helps them in life. So why would God be against something that is good for those people?

 

[Hentenza]

People often lift these verses out of their context. Romans 1 isn’t describing loving same-sex relationships—it’s Paul talking about people in the ancient world who rejected God and engaged in exploitative, idolatrous practices. The “unnatural” acts he mentions were part of pagan temple rituals, power-imbalanced relationships, and excessive behavior tied to idol worship. Paul’s point is about idolatry and excess, not about consensual, loving LGBT relationships.

Again, nothing here about these verses not meaning what the plain, literal reading depicts. Let me remind you that God created humans as male snd female.

“And He answered and said, “Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’?”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭19‬:‭4‬-‭5‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Matthew 19:4-5 And He answered and said, “Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE, and said, ‘FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND HIS MOTHER AND BE JOINED | New American Standard Bible - NA

And He answered and said, “Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE, and said, ‘FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND HIS MOTHER AND BE JOINED

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As for Matthew 19, Jesus is answering a specific question about divorce, not laying out every valid form of relationship that could ever exist. He refers to Adam and Eve because that’s the story his audience shared, not to exclude anyone. Quoting this passage to deny LGBT people dignity is reading something into the text that simply isn’t there.

Too bad that is actually quoting from Genesis. So your theory does not work.

“He created them male and female, and He blessed them and named them “mankind” on the day when they were created.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭5‬:‭2‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Genesis 5:2 He created them male and female, and He blessed them and named them “mankind” on the day when they were created. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

He created them male and female, and He blessed them and named them “mankind” on the day when they were created.

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In short: these verses address idolatry, exploitation, and divorce—not modern LGBT identities or loving same-sex relationships.

Nope.

Also, what reason would God have for hating LGBT people? Some people feel happy in relationships and it helps them in life. So why would God be against something that is good for those people?

God loves the people but hates the sin. Homosexuality is sin. Do remember that they can repent from their sin and be forgiven.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Here’s what those verses actually mean, and why they aren’t about LGBT people:

1. “Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind.” — Leviticus 18:22 / 20:13
These verses are part of the Holiness Code, a set of purity rules given to ancient Israel.
Important context:

The laws were meant to separate Israel from surrounding cultures, not to comment on sexual orientation.

The Hebrew terms focus on male dominance, ritual purity, and idolatrous temple-sex practices, not loving relationships.

Christians today don’t follow the same code (it also bans mixed fabrics, shellfish, trimming beards, etc.).
So this is not about consensual LGBT relationships as we understand them today.

2. The story of Sodom — Genesis 19
The issue in the Sodom story is attempted gang rape, violence, and violation of hospitality norms — not sexuality.
Even the Bible itself explains the sin of Sodom elsewhere:

Ezekiel 16:49 says the sin was arrogance, greed, and neglecting the poor.

Nothing in the text condemns loving LGBT relationships.

3. “Against nature” — Romans 1:26–27
Paul is talking about idolatry in pagan temples and people acting against their own nature, meaning going against their own desires as part of cult rituals.
Key points:

The word “nature” (“physis”) in Greek doesn’t mean “universal law” — it means “someone’s individual nature.”

Paul is describing people who were heterosexual engaging in ritual acts that violated their own orientation.

Paul had no concept of sexual orientation as we understand it today.
So this isn’t a blanket statement about LGBT identity or relationships.

4. “Arsenokoitai” and “malakoi” — 1 Corinthians 6:9 and 1 Timothy 1:10
These two Greek words are often translated poorly.

Malakoi means “soft” and was used to describe laziness, decadence, or sometimes male prostitution — not gay men.

Arsenokoitai is an extremely rare word that likely referred to economic or sexual exploitation, such as trafficking or abuses of power.
There’s no evidence i
t refers to consensual same-sex relationships.

Also, Jesus never mentioned LGBT being wrong. And why would a god create people who are born to be naturally LGBT if he didn't want anyone to be LGBT? It makes no sense why God would create them and then hate it.

And who is your scholarly source for this information? Randal Rauser?