Supreme Court rejects Kim Davis’ request to reconsider landmark gay marriage ruling

[The Barbarian]

I never said otherwise. Quit projecting. I’m bringing up Church teaching because you keep insinuating it’s a nonissue because Jesus never specifically spoke of the issue of homosexuality.

The Church teaching is that it's a sin to do, but that unjust discrimination against homosexuals is forbidden. Which is what I think. Seems right to me.

My point is that Jesus was specifically emphatic about other sins. Bottom line is that He nowhere suggested that government should be involved in suppressing sin. God neither needs nor wants a government handout.

 

[The Barbarian]

It's been used by bourgeois perverts with upper-class vices to oppress proletariot cake-bakers and florists.

The courts quite sensibly decided that was not acceptable, just as people forcing their standards on homosexuals is unacceptable.

 

[calicocat]

The courts quite sensibly decided that was not acceptable, just as people forcing their standards on homosexuals is unacceptable.

They're still using it to terrorize small working-class businesses. I think that baker out in Colorado was on like his third case the last I heard.

This issue has destroyed western society more than the civil war and should be nixed. Back into the closet.

 

[The Barbarian]

They're still using it to terrorize small working-class businesses. I think that baker out in Colorado was on like his third case the last I heard.

Precedent says a private business is not required to approve of anyone's lifestyle.

This issue has destroyed western society more than the civil war and should be nixed. Back into the closet.

Not likely...

Over two-thirds of Americans think same-sex marriages should be legal. Americans don't like the government telling them what to do.

 

[calicocat]

Precedent says a private business is not required to approve of anyone's lifestyle.

Not likely...

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Over two-thirds of Americans think same-sex marriages should be legal. Americans don't like the government telling them what to do.

Can you crowdfund morality? Is that Biblical? "You shall not follow a crowd to do evil" (Exodus 23:2) has been used a rabbinical argument against communists.

"Vox populi, vox Dei" means "Give us Barabbas (or Saul.)"

Americans proved they love being told what to do under covid.

 

[The Barbarian]

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Over two-thirds of Americans think same-sex marriages should be legal. Americans don't like the government telling them what to do.

Can you crowdfund morality?

That's what your "back to the closet" is about. But most Americans recognize that when government tries to enforce morals, it always results in evil.

"You shall not follow a crowd to do evil"

Which is why most Americans won't follow that crowd. It's an old argument, but Americans have always rejected it:

Because experience witnesseth that ecclesiastical establishments, instead of maintaining the purity and efficacy of Religion, have had a contrary operation. During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity, in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution.
James Madison Against Religious Assessments

Americans proved they love being told what to do under covid.

Almost everyone I talked to, grumped about infection control efforts, but most recognized that it saved lives. I happen to have a degree in microbiology, and I did graduate work in immunology. I managed an immunology clinic in the AF. I doubt if you have any real idea of the way that the controls worked, or why they were implemented.

 

[calicocat]

Which is why most Americans won't follow that crowd. It's an old argument, but Americans have always rejected it:

"Woe to those who call evil good."

America isn't God and is indeed following a crowd to do evil, much like Sodom.

I'm not certain why we're discussing "America as god" on a Christian forum.

The Overton window, propaganda and terror are effective at manipulating democracy. It's possible to get people to support pretty much anything, and even post-birth infant death is now in some sectors being openly being posited.

You've said openly you view God's position on this matter as evil and I'll be leaving this conversation as arguing against- effectively- a satanic position is "pearls before swine." We can't agree because we invoke different authorities.